The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:34 pm

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EXCLUSIVE: A U.S. Marine Used the Neo-Nazi Site Iron March to Recruit for a ‘Racial Holy War'

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/d3aq ... a-race-war
Not too long ago I remember all the talk about the military infiltrated by drug cartel members. Before that it was crips and bloods have infiltrated the military. And way back in the early 90's there was talk how Mexican/American gangs had a large presence in the army and were using their military learned skills against rival gangs and looting the armories of their bases of all manner of small arms.

Is the neo Nazi infiltration just the latest bogieman ?
Extremism, in general, is the latest boogieman. The only difference is which extremist group a given source thinks should be highest concern.
Yep, not just Neo-Nazis. Micah Xavier Johnson and Gavin Eugene Long both served on active duty as well. There have been plenty of terrorists of all stripes. Let's not forget about the anarchist group at Ft. Stewart either. The military tends to draw such crazies.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by MPMalloy » Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:34 pm

Should CW break out, where would honest ROL be found? Honest ROL, such as, I have now, in MFC.

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by absinthe beginner » Sat Nov 16, 2019 10:24 am

The proliferation of extremist "accelerationist" groups does not bode well for security and stability in America.

Neo-Nazi Terror Groups Are Using iFunny to Recruit

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/vb5k ... to-recruit

The Base, while still in its infancy, has members across the U.S., Canada, Europe, and Australia, and is growing quickly. It has held several paramilitary style training camps in the U.S. within the past year. Like other far-right extremist groups, The Base is an accelerationist group, meaning it wants to speed up the collapse of society via attacks and other chaotic actions so it can create a new, all-white world.

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by flybynight » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:15 pm

I'm sorry. I just don't believe there is a proliferation of Nazi groups in the U S. I find the whole idea to be some kind of scare propaganda to draw attention away from groups who are the real threat to our country. I mean really... How many people have you met in your life sympathetic to Nazis ? Compared to how many openly promote Leninist views?
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by TacAir » Sat Nov 16, 2019 4:29 pm

I don't find that "Vice" falls under my credible sources. So, I looked further afield.

found nothing credible, actually nothing - but did stumble over another "terr watch site" - that only requires my paid subscription to (breathlessly) share their inside info with me - a paid subscriber.

The usual suspects - FBI. SPLC etc are silent, as far as I could discover, on this 'group'. Infancy indeed.

Still more worried about narco drug gangs infiltrating in to the US than any of these other outfits - if they even exist. Could they exist? anything is possible, I suppose.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by Stercutus » Sat Nov 16, 2019 5:50 pm

Vice seems to be ignorant of history.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/bjwv ... -bin-laden

The radical Islamic movement and National Socialism go back a long way to the days of Hitler. Much of current ideology for Radical Islam is based upon the spread back in the 1930 to ferment revolt in the colonies of the enemies of Germany back in WWII days.
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Post by woodsghost » Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:13 pm

I have posted before, but the one place I am aware of "white nationalism" spreading is in prisons which are usually segregated along racial lines by gangs. So any discussion of "white nationalism" would also have to include "Latino/black/Asian/etc" nationalisms too. Doing so would fail to support certain political agendas and maybe make us look closer at criminal justice reform. I'm big into fixing the real problem rather than the symptoms. If you have a cold; kill the germs, don't just focus on stopping the cough.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by williaty » Sat Nov 16, 2019 11:59 pm

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I'm sorry. I just don't believe there is a proliferation of Nazi groups in the U S. I find the whole idea to be some kind of scare propaganda to draw attention away from groups who are the real threat to our country. I mean really... How many people have you met in your life sympathetic to Nazis ? Compared to how many openly promote Leninist views?
As a personal anecdote that carries no statistical power, I definitely have seen an upswing in the people who are publicly claiming Neo-Nazi affiliation or just generally willing to say they support the ideals. Granted, it's exactly the same people who you knew were racist 20 years ago it's just that they now seem comfortable saying it in public rather than feeling like it's something they have to hide until they sound a person out looking for a "like minded" friend.

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 17, 2019 10:14 am

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I have posted before, but the one place I am aware of "white nationalism" spreading is in prisons which are usually segregated along racial lines by gangs. So any discussion of "white nationalism" would also have to include "Latino/black/Asian/etc" nationalisms too. Doing so would fail to support certain political agendas and maybe make us look closer at criminal justice reform. I'm big into fixing the real problem rather than the symptoms. If you have a cold; kill the germs, don't just focus on stopping the cough.
White "Nationalism" is a more than a bit of a misnomer. They typically are not "nationalist" at all but revolutionary. Can't really be both. Many are also now "green" and like their old school brethren also socialist. The green and the socialist aspects give them a broader appeal to the under 30 crowd.
Still more worried about narco drug gangs infiltrating in to the US than any of these other outfits - if they even exist. Could they exist? anything is possible, I suppose.
Old school neo-Nazis were all about the drug trade. Not much has changed there. They are just much more low key about it.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by NT2C » Sun Nov 17, 2019 11:19 am

Ahem, politics gentlemen? I'm on the road and cannot easily edit this thread without digging out a laptop, which means it's far easier for me to just lock it and be done with it. I'd rather not do that so let's please steer the thread back on course.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by absinthe beginner » Mon Nov 18, 2019 9:24 pm

LEFTIST BILL MAHER: “LEARN TO LIVE WITH EACH OTHER OR THERE WILL BE BLOOD!”

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by absinthe beginner » Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:52 pm

Political And Social Conflict Is Accelerating: Here's Why...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pol ... -heres-why

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:57 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:52 pm
Political And Social Conflict Is Accelerating: Here's Why...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pol ... -heres-why
I look at the videos of Paris , Hong Kong and think to myself. Coming to main street USA soon
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by Langenator » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:17 am

flybynight wrote:
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absinthe beginner wrote:
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Political And Social Conflict Is Accelerating: Here's Why...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pol ... -heres-why
I look at the videos of Paris , Hong Kong and think to myself. Coming to main street USA soon
Well, here in the U.S., there a lot more guns. And I'm going to guess that the majority of the non-state owned ones are possessed by one side of the ideological divide.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by woodsghost » Fri Nov 22, 2019 1:35 pm

Langenator wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:17 am
flybynight wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:57 pm
absinthe beginner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:52 pm
Political And Social Conflict Is Accelerating: Here's Why...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pol ... -heres-why
I look at the videos of Paris , Hong Kong and think to myself. Coming to main street USA soon
Well, here in the U.S., there a lot more guns. And I'm going to guess that the majority of the non-state owned ones are possessed by one side of the ideological divide.
Maybe "the majority" are, but not 100%. Which is exactly what the Founders intended. Brilliant and inspired men that they were.
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Post by absinthe beginner » Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:01 pm

Suspected Atomwaffen Member Arrested, Charged With Gun Possession

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by lailr » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:16 pm

Stercutus wrote:
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One of the things missing from PAW fiction is that there is a segment of the population that likes to bitch about everything and constantly undercut whoever is in charge. When the nice people are in charge these people make things divisive and actually more difficult to get things done. Since they are never satisfied and always want what they can't have they tend to gum up the works. When the thugs are in charge these same people are called "prisoners" or "missing".
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by lailr » Fri Nov 22, 2019 4:19 pm

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It isn't the economy necessarily.

We couldn't fill the ranks in Iraq with police and military with 40% unemployment. Years of Negative publicity, idiotic and not so idiotic protests, a negative risk-reward for doing the job and no community support in high crime areas. When the economy next takes a down turn crime could skyrocket when combined with other factors like letting all the "non-violent" prisoners loose. If that happens then it could become a downward spiral.

I suggest if you live in a high crime area, move or make alternatives now. Moving later might not be an option.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by RoneKiln » Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:55 pm

Langenator wrote:
Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:17 am
flybynight wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 9:57 pm
absinthe beginner wrote:
Tue Nov 19, 2019 7:52 pm
Political And Social Conflict Is Accelerating: Here's Why...

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/pol ... -heres-why
I look at the videos of Paris , Hong Kong and think to myself. Coming to main street USA soon
Well, here in the U.S., there a lot more guns. And I'm going to guess that the majority of the non-state owned ones are possessed by one side of the ideological divide.
It's already happened in the US. Occupy Wallstreet and the protests after the last election are easy examples. US law enforcement functions differently than many countries partly because the populace is armed and police must be held to higher standards than many countries. Therefore the US has far more freedom to protest without escalations to violence.

Even with those higher standards, we've (US) still had more destructive protests recently as minority groups struggle to find their voice.

While the US has room for improvement, we also have more room for peaceful protest. So those incidents are expressed here differently.

Which is not to argue there isn't a potential for extreme escalation here. It will just unfold a little differently than in other countries.
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by absinthe beginner » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:50 pm

Will America’s billionaires start a second Civil War to protect their wealth and power?

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/will-a ... r_partner/

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:06 pm

absinthe beginner wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:50 pm
Will America’s billionaires start a second Civil War to protect their wealth and power?

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/will-a ... r_partner/
Has some interesting points , but wow !!! Whole tone and perspective of article is quite a stretch ( straight into leftist propaganda )
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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by raptor » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:35 pm

flybynight wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 5:06 pm
absinthe beginner wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:50 pm
Will America’s billionaires start a second Civil War to protect their wealth and power?

https://www.salon.com/2019/11/24/will-a ... r_partner/
.... but wow !!! Whole tone and perspective of article is quite a stretch ( straight into leftist propaganda )
^^^^This^^^^
Seriously this link needs a "Warning! Biased Political Link" label.

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by absinthe beginner » Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:51 pm

The Boogaloo: Extremists’ New Slang Term for A Coming Civil War

https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-e ... -civil-war

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Re: The Coming Civil War - (Warning: No Politics)

Post by boskone » Thu Nov 28, 2019 12:01 am

absinthe beginner wrote:
Wed Nov 27, 2019 9:51 pm
The Boogaloo: Extremists’ New Slang Term for A Coming Civil War

https://www.adl.org/blog/the-boogaloo-e ... -civil-war
I've seen the term used, but it's usually accompanied by pictures of someone's "boogaloo garb" or whatever and usually seems to be Hawai'ian-print shirts, cargo shorts, and wildly mismatched arrangements of firearms and ammunitions. (Like AKs with literal bananas in place of banana mags.)

Even if it's being used seriously, people need to stop letting fringes take control of stuff and rendering it effectively off-limits. E.g. OK gestures and tiki torches. :p

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