Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by ineffableone » Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:26 pm

RickOShea wrote:
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So lets revisit,

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LOL. The school where I got my Private cert used 91 octane autogas in almost everything. Not sure about today's ethanol blends, though.....that's probably no bueno. Image
Even with auto gas, your reliant on fuel. While a canoe you only have to fuel yourself to paddle.
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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by RickOShea » Sun Oct 04, 2015 9:12 pm

ineffableone wrote:
RickOShea wrote:
ineffableone wrote:
So lets revisit,

Plane-
reliant on aviation fuel
LOL. The school where I got my Private cert used 91 octane autogas in almost everything. Not sure about today's ethanol blends, though.....that's probably no bueno. Image
Even with auto gas, your reliant on fuel. While a canoe you only have to fuel yourself to paddle.
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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Sun Oct 04, 2015 10:57 pm

Boat, because people can swim in the water, but not for very long on the air.
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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by NamelessStain » Mon Oct 05, 2015 10:55 am

Boat

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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by velojym » Fri Oct 16, 2015 10:32 am

I was thinking more along the lines of a decent sized sailboat and something packable... this might do:
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Yeah, many certificated aircraft with lower compression engines Cherokee 140, many Cessna 172s, etc. have STCs for mogas. But, yeah... no alcohol.
Most of the guys at our airport would get their gas from the distributor, because that's where the alcohol and other additives are added. They'd split the cost and bring a small tank trailer with a pump on it, then just fuel their airplanes from that.

As for SHTF use, I'd only count on anything that requires fuel for the initial getaway. Long term, I'd concentrate my efforts on human or weather powered conveyances. You'd still want to stock up on some supplies, though, as there may not be ready sources for bicycle tire tubes and the like. A decent sized crate of those, properly stored, could last quite a few years, though.
A Canoe... well... it's just a shape that keeps out the water. If you're in a position to make good use of that or a rowboat... with sail even... you're golden.
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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by hughntx » Fri Oct 16, 2015 12:45 pm

In general, I would always opt for a boat first. With that said though, there are definitely situations where a plane would be more useful. If I am in the middle of dry land and no waterway nearby, I'd prefer the plane to make an escape.

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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by MasterMaker » Thu Oct 22, 2015 2:55 pm

With 71" of the planet surface being covered by water one can make an argument for there being a 71% of a natural teotwawki event being water based and by extension that there would be a 71% chance of a natural teotwawki event necessitating getting away from the coast....

It may not be financially possible for most people but if I had the funds it would be rather high on my list of means to bug out and only second to a good 4x4 since boats are comparatively cheap and a good stitch-and-glue boat/Jon-boat that would fit on a car roof rack only takes a few $(100-300$) and some time to make.

Something larger would still be less than 1000$ with quite a few designs, and wooden boat building is a good skill to acquire as a boat is something that people would trade for in the paw, and the skill set translates to building shelters and other things if survival necessitates being as far away as possible from large bodies of water.

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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by claverhouse » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:32 am

I don't know how to fly an aircraft and if it's the end of the world I will neither have time to learn nor anyone willing to teach me. Also, if I could fly an aircraft and it failed in operation, I can't fly. I can use a sailboat or canoe and I could figure out a motorboat readily enough and if any of them failed in operation, I can swim.
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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by moab » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:06 pm

EDITED - For clarity. When I mentioned the "bow mounted .50 cal" I was referring to a perfectly legal SEMI AUTO version. Not an Illegal auto version. I've been building for so long I forget that most don't know the difference. And that's it's not a given your talking semi auto. Anything automatic is illegal unless it was in existence prior to 1968. And you have the appropriate stamps for it. Or your an 07 builder building for LE and the like. With the appropriate letter.

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I've thought about boats a lot. As I live in LA about a five minute walk to the beach. And a 15 minute drive to two rather large marinas. And sailed quite a bit with friends in my 20's in the Pacific. There is a type of boat called a motor sailer. It doesn't go very fast sailing. But it can take over for when your fuel runs out. Until you can get more. That would be my vote. Couple that with some wind and solar power. STill a tough bet. But if I had to get out of someplace like Los Angeles. It would be my bet. The roads are going to be clogged with every manner of human life. Good and bad.

I think I'd also mount a "SEMI AUTO" .50 cal on the bow. Just for protection from other ships of similar size or smaller. If a LARGE metal boat or equivalent shows up your pretty much screwed. (And to those that think a deck mounted .50 is fantasy. I know many people that have built their own from parts kits. IN SEMI AUTOMATIC. It's doable. I've owned a few .50 cal anti aircraft parts kits. They are something to behold. They're generally the same thing mounted on the back of a Toyota pick up over in the Badmanistan area. EXCEPT THEY ARE SEMI AUTOMATIC. Throw backs to WWII/Korea/Vietnam era (And still today in the Middle East and other places around the world). But they do the job. Illegal to build in CA. But not anywhere else IN SEMI AUTOMATIC - generally speaking. Look up Knob Creek shoot on youtube. You'll see several being put thru their paces.) Or some kind of belt fed gun onboard. Lots of ammo, food, firearms, water, etc. etc.

But I'd also have a plan to move north. Closer to family and other BOL's. I don't think drifting on the high seas is a smart way of living forever. But if I had to chose between plane and boat. Boat hands down.

This isn't a very good example. They come much bigger and more sea worthy. Just to give you an example:

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Edit- Here's a larger example. Something inbetween these sizes would work best:

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Google images. They come in many shapes and sizes.

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Re: Boat vs Plane - What would you choose?

Post by moab » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:59 pm

Edited my above post. Sorry if I offended anyone. I assumed everyone knew I was talking about a legal "semi auto" build from parts. Not an illegal full auto version. I've been building firearms for so long. I forget that others don't take that for granted in conversation.

My apologies. Again.
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