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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by RickOShea » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:04 pm

Missouri governor declares state of emergency in Ferguson.......(shorter: "Start the ball, Tector.")


http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/17/us/fergus ... ?hpt=hp_t1

(CNN) -- Missouri Gov. Jay Nixon declared a state of emergency Monday ahead of an expected grand jury decision in the case of Michael Brown.

In his executive order, Nixon cited the "possibility of expanded unrest." He said that people have the right to protest peacefully but that citizens and businesses must be protected from violence and damage.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by raptor » Mon Nov 17, 2014 4:20 pm

This thread is turning into a chat thread on the subject. This is not the chat room. Please limit your posts in this thread to preparations.

The post by RickOshea is fine since it is providing a warning about what the authorities are doing.

That is what is desired for this this thread. That and what you may be doing to prepare for possible violence from this anticipated announcement.

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Post by absinthe beginner » Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:00 pm

St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said the plan will bring National Guard troops to the city, but he said their role is designed to be secondary to local law enforcement.
That's ALWAYS is the plan whenever state-level assets, i.e. the National Guard or State Police, are deployed to a crisis spot. And if the state resources are insufficient or overwhelmed, then federal forces will be brought in, as they were during Katrina or the LA riots.

While the media coverage on this story seems to focus on the more fear-mongering aspects, i.e. soaring sales at local gun shops or predictions of unrest, one of the net positives is that people are being sensitized to the need to be prepared for an emergency situation, i.e. have enough essentials on hand to ride out a potential crisis, and have the means and a plan to defend what's yours, while you're at it.

As far as what I'm doing to prepare for possible violence from this anticipated announcement: nothing. I'll reassess as the situation develops, but feel my existing preps, while far from ideal or complete (are they ever?), are adequate - within the limitations imposed by my budget - to deal with most contingencies or situations that might realistically come my way, baring a full-on collapse scenario which seems like a low-probability event. In my AO, I can't see any unrest over Ferguson manifesting itself, and think there's a low potential for more generalized rioting or disorder over the verdict, barring any unforeseen black swan events.

By the way, below is the Governor's executive order declaring a state of emergency.

http://governor.mo.gov/news/executive-o ... rder-14-14
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by Stercutus » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:02 pm

The plan is to protest in Clayton. This area in has the distinction of being the county seat. Most county offices are located there where people seek government services. The City of Clayton has released a statement:
We are aware of recent media accounts announcing demonstrators’ plans to disrupt downtown Clayton on the first business day after the Grand Jury announcement. We continue to support demonstrators' rights to have their voices heard, and part of our planning has involved maintaining the safety of demonstrators. At the same time, we cannot risk public health or safety. Organizations in downtown Clayton provide a wide array of critical services, including health care, employment services, transportation, public safety, child care, and social services for the elderly and disabled among others. These services support not just this city but also the entire county. We have plans in place to help ensure that these services aren’t interrupted.

As you know, numerous demonstrations have taken place in our city related to the events that began in Ferguson over the summer. To date they have been largely peaceful, with few arrests.

Throughout this period, the City of Clayton and the Clayton Police Department have worked to facilitate the demonstrators’ constitutional right of assembly and expression, and to support an environment that is safe for all concerned—our residents, businesses, visitors and demonstrators. In some cases, organizers have worked with us to achieve our common goal to promote the safety of all concerned. In others, where organizers have chosen not to work with us in advance, we have remained as flexible as possible. We continue to be open to working cooperatively with organizing groups.

We also remain committed to continuing to communicate with our community about these events. Thank you for being a part of Clayton.

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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by absinthe beginner » Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:32 pm

If the grand jury was smart, they'd announce the verdict tonight. Between the inclement weather and football games on the tube, turnout for any protests would be minimal.

http://www.wunderground.com/weather-for ... guson.html

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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by RickOShea » Mon Nov 17, 2014 10:26 pm

FBI Warns Ferguson Decision ‘Will Likely’ Lead to Violence By Extremists Protesters:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-warn ... d=26980624

The FBI is warning law enforcement agencies across the country that the decision “will likely” lead some extremist protesters to threaten and even attack police officers or federal agents.

Peaceful protesters could be caught in the middle, and electrical facilities or water treatment plants could also become targets. In addition, so-called “hacktivists” like the group “Anonymous” could try to launch cyber-attacks against authorities.

“The announcement of the grand jury’s decision … will likely be exploited by some individuals to justify threats and attacks against law enforcement and critical infrastructure,” the FBI says in an intelligence bulletin issued in recent days. “This also poses a threat to those civilians engaged in lawful or otherwise constitutionally protected activities.”
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Post by RickOShea » Tue Nov 18, 2014 10:37 pm

Police in St. Louis agree to ‘rules of engagement’:

http://www.local10.com/news/police-in-s ... t/29804518

Following weeks of intense negotiations, the three largest police departments in St. Louis, Mo., have agreed on a dozen rules or policies they will follow as they engage with protesters after a grand jury announces its decision regarding Ferguson Officer Darren Wilson.

The negotiations have centered on 19 "Rules of Engagement" proposed by a coalition of 50 community and civil rights groups. The list is largely a docket of best police practices, such as "the first priority shall be preservation of human life" and "excessive force and other forms of police misconduct will not be tolerated." In general, protesters have agreed to peaceful demonstrations if police don’t interfere, while police agree to respect demonstrators’ right to assemble as long as there is no violence....

.....The three departments – called the "unified command" for police response to protests -- have also not agreed to the coalition’s request that police be dressed in minimal gear and that tear gas, tactical vehicles and rubber bullets not be used, a coalition leader said.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by complex57 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:05 am

AT WORK:
I might be locked in at work due to this mess.

I have a bag packed that has some spare clothes/scrubs and a small toiletry set. I added a light blanket and my I-POD to the mix. I have chargers for my I-POD and phone in the bag. I tossed in a couple of books and some snacks.

I am not allowed to have weapons on my person due to the rules where I work, so that is right out for me.

Work is supposed to provide 3 meals a day for locked in staff, in addition to the 1200-1300 inmates we currently house. We have cots ready to go for those folks who might be unlucky enough to have to stay.

On the plus side if I do get locked in it should be some pretty sweet overtime.

I will say this, most of the local demonstrators I have dealt with in the area are okay folks, if a little biased going one way or the other. The out-of-town crowd that came in with the last surge of protests were less than pleasant group of folks.

I hope cooler heads prevail in all this.

AT HOME:
Well, I live in an area unlikely to see much in the way of protests. The neighbors I don't know by name I know by the old 'nod your head and wave' routine.

I work in a profession that exposes me to violent and unstable people daily, some of them have gone so far as to threaten me and my loved ones. (I hope) Most are not all that serious, but I recognize that some may well take action against me if they can. I am mindful of this, and have taken steps to secure my home and family.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by raptor » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:08 am

complex57 wrote: On the plus side if I do get locked in it should be some pretty sweet overtime.
There is almost always a silver lining if you look for one. :D

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Post by complex57 » Wed Nov 19, 2014 11:14 am

Raptor: I choose to see the cup as half full. :awesome:

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Post by Neptune Glory » Fri Nov 21, 2014 9:55 am

I might get held at work, too. Packing my chrome book, chargers for chrome book and cell phone, extra scrubs, extra socks / underwear, stuff like that.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by RickOShea » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:36 pm

Ferguson grand jury won't reconvene until Monday at the earliest, sources say:

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/22/us/fergus ... index.html

The grand jury deciding whether to indict Ferguson Police officer Darren Wilson in the August 9 shooting death of unarmed teen Michael Brown will not reconvene until Monday, local and federal law enforcement sources told CNN.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by TacAir » Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:46 pm

This "Pending" and the hype has been going on over two weeks.

May I suggest it's time for this thread to go to Off Topic? Folks should be finished planning by now.....

ETA - Ferguson grand jury fails to reach decision on Darren Wilson indictment
Unknown when or if the jury will reconvene.
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Post by learntwoshoot » Sat Nov 22, 2014 6:17 pm

This is my opinion only:

The issues surrounding the rioting in Ferguson, MO bring out several points on preparedness planning and several about the state of our country.

First and foremost preparedness is the need for it:

Stocking up on-
Food supplies at least a 30 day supply on hand for your family.
Water supply plan on at least one gallon per person per day.
Medical supplies for general first aid.
Medicines you depend on at least a 30-60 day supply.
Fuel for your vehicles, generators, ATV/UTV, Snow Blowers for those in parts of the country that need them.
Communications such as Cell phone, GMRS, FRS, CB, and Ham Radios
Home Security planning/preps
Personal Protection planning/preps

The events since last August in Ferguson are a symptom of much larger issues in america and a wider gap between social groups. It is important in the preparation world to pay attention to these events, and any thing that comes out of it.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by hondo » Sat Nov 22, 2014 9:47 pm

The events since last August in Ferguson are a symptom of much larger issues in america and a wider gap between social groups. It is important in the preparation world to pay attention to these events, and any thing that comes out of it.
And you are right on the money, half of the problems are caused by friction between haves and not have, simply if you look places that are hot spots for any kind of social unrest most predominant trait is proximity between poor and middle and upper class neighborhoods. Simply put they share same zip code but they are not part of the same tax base.

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Post by Stercutus » Sat Nov 22, 2014 11:34 pm

Wednesday evening would be a very strategic time to release the results.
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Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Nov 23, 2014 10:12 am

learntwoshoot said: The events since last August in Ferguson are a symptom of much larger issues in america and a wider gap between social groups. It is important in the preparation world to pay attention to these events, and any thing that comes out of it.
Concur. Beyond just a focus on personal preparation (as important as that is), astute "preppers" need to consider some of the related societal issues, such as the "succession of the successful" (well-to-do increasingly living in gated communities with private security) and the reliance of private security and even private military companies (PSCs/PMCs) to provide security during times of unrest or civil disorder. These related issues have some profound implications. During Katrina, for example, members of Blackwater were brought in and engaged in gunfights with looters. However, they were operating without any real legal authorities, and that raises a whole host of questions for anyone who might encounter them in their "public security" mission. And now private "mercs" are showing up in Ferguson. What will be their ROE if things get dicey? How will ordinary citizens be able to distinguish "private security" from "armed irregulars" with malign intent who might show up in this or some future scenario?

https://news.vice.com/article/private-m ... z3Ju9ckLes

Business owners in the St. Louis, Missouri area have hired private military contractors to transport guns and gold, fearing their shops will be targeted by looters if a grand jury does not indict Darren Wilson, the police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown in the St. Louis County suburb of Ferguson.

"There's a lot of people that brought in a lot of money to have people secure their assets," said Stephen King, owner of Metro Shooting Supplies gun shop, a 15-minute drive from Ferguson. "Some of those people spent $10 an hour on security guards and some people have $1,000 a day private contractors."

King confirmed that gun shops in the area are hiring private military contractors to escort the transport of their guns to secure locations. A private military contractor who spoke to VICE News on condition of anonymity said that more than 300 private military contractors, or PMCs, have been contracted for work in direct response to Ferguson security concerns.

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Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:57 pm

The Grand Jury apparently will be reconvening on Monday, which would seem to indicate they are still in deliberations. Yawn.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/22/us/fergus ... ry-ruling/

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Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:04 pm

During Katrina, for example, members of Blackwater were brought in and engaged in gunfights with looters.
For the moment, assuming that is true and I am not saying it is, what does that really mean? Are you saying if someone shoots at you, you can't shoot back?
However, they were operating without any real legal authorities, and that raises a whole host of questions for anyone who might encounter them in their "public security" mission.


What real authority do you need to be a security guard or on a PSD? A license? A credit recognition if it is from another state?
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"A private military contractor who spoke to VICE News on condition of anonymity said "

(Rolls eyes) Really? Are PMC offering really deep discounts for locals these days?


OTOH - A menagerie of armed state and federal agents have filtered in and out of Ferguson, Missouri for more than a week as unrest has grown there, and now even a private military company is joining the mix. Asymmetric Solutions, a PMC that claims to be "capable of deploying highly qualified former special operations personnel" to "anywhere on the globe in a moments notice" will be providing a security detail to an unnamed individual visiting Ferguson.

Asymmetric Solutions announced the job on Twitter, noting that the assignment is saddening and unexpected.

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Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:19 pm

(Rolls eyes) Really? Are PMC offering really deep discounts for locals these days?
That's ok the other source is a gun shop owner. He would have absolutely no vested interest in boosting panic sales.

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Post by absinthe beginner » Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:45 pm

What real authority do you need to be a security guard or on a PSD? A license? A credit recognition if it is from another state?
I don't know, but I don't like the idea of mercenaries with ill-defined authorities taking it upon themselves to use lethal force "if we deem necessary." What's to stop these guys from labeling preppers "non-compliant forces" if they patrol their property or neighborhoods and refuse to turn over their firearms or supplies? The Katrina precedent, especially the arbitrary disarmament of law-abiding gun owners, is unsettling, but you'd better be thinking about it if you're in the preparedness community. I for one don't have a warm fuzzy about a bunch of juiced-up, trigger-happy badasses with no proper LE training or authorities in charge of security in my AO, if it comes down to that.

Oh yeah, per the mod, gotta say what I'm doing to prepare for Ferguson. I re-read my copy of the pocket-sized Constitution I keep in my BoB.

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/ ... ne-katrina

It started immediately after the storm and flood hit, when civilian aid was scarce—but private security forces already had boots on the ground. Some, like Blackwater (which has since redubbed itself Xe), were under federal contract, while a host of others answered to wealthy residents and businessmen who had departed well before Katrina and needed help protecting their property from the suffering masses left behind. According Jeremy Scahill's reporting in The Nation, Blackwater set up an HQ in downtown New Orleans. Armed as they would be in Iraq, with automatic rifles, guns strapped to legs, and pockets overflowing with ammo, Blackwater contractors drove around in SUVs and unmarked cars with no license plates.

"When asked what authority they were operating under,'' Scahill reported, "one guy said, 'We're on contract with the Department of Homeland Security.' Then, pointing to one of his comrades, he said, 'He was even deputized by the governor of the state of Louisiana. We can make arrests and use lethal force if we deem it necessary.' The man then held up the gold Louisiana law enforcement badge he wore around his neck.''

The Blackwater operators described their mission in New Orleans as "securing neighborhoods," as if they were talking about Sadr City. When National Guard troops descended on the city, the Army Times described their role as fighting "the insurgency in the city." Brigadier Gen. Gary Jones, who commanded the Louisiana National Guard's Joint Task Force, told the paper, "This place is going to look like Little Somalia. We're going to go out and take this city back. This will be a combat operation to get this city under control."

And then there's this:

The local police superintendent ordered all weapons, including legally registered firearms, confiscated from civilians. But as the Times noted, that order didn't "apply to hundreds of security guards hired by businesses and some wealthy individuals to protect property…[who] openly carry M-16's and other assault rifles." Scahill spoke to Michael Montgomery, the chief of security for one wealthy businessman who said his men came under fire from "black gangbangers" near the Ninth Ward. Armed with AR-15s and Glocks, Montgomery and his men "unleashed a barrage of bullets in the general direction of the alleged shooters on the overpass. 'After that, all I heard was moaning and screaming, and the shooting stopped. That was it. Enough said.'"

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Post by Stercutus » Sun Nov 23, 2014 6:21 pm

You had me at Mother Jones quoting The Nation. That may as well be the Daily Caller quoting Rush Limbaugh.

Sooooo.....who got shot again by Blackwater? On which side? Anyone? Gotta a name? A victim? Suspicious dead unexplained body with lots of .223 holes? How many casualties did the military take in combat operations?


Hey, if your biggest worry about this whole mess is Xe parachuting in and mixing it up with the locals I am going to go ahead and say you are well prepared for that. In fact if even one Xe contractor shoots and kills a single person anywhere in the Ferguson area in association with providing public security during a riot or disturbance associated with the Grand Jury decision I sir will personally drink my own piss and post a video in this very thread of that.
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Re: St. Louis Grand Jury Decision... pending

Post by Boondock » Mon Nov 24, 2014 2:33 pm

Standby ... :shock:

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