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Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby Katica » Wed May 30, 2012 5:52 am

A couple of years ago, my room mate was cooking dinner for us when suddenly the power cut out. A look outside quickly confirmed that all of downtown was without power. We remained without electricity for the rest of the day.

We had no choice but to eat our half-cooked dinner, which was asparagus in tomato sauce. I was nervous because I had never eaten raw asparagus before and didn't know if I could digest it. Luckily, I was fine. Prior experience has taught me that raw broccoli makes me sick to my stomach, though. Had we been cooking broccoli, I would have had to make other dinner plans that night.

This week I was rounding up materials for a camping trip I plan to take in a few weeks, and in doing so uncovered a pair of tiny emergency stoves I had bought for my emergency kit. It occurred to me that i ought to start testing out recipes for camping or short term power outage situations. Hence this thread.

Because I live in an apartment building where BBQs are banned, I have a feeling that my landlord might take some issue if I start cooking with fuel tablets or an actual fire with sticks and stuff. But candles aren't banned, so I want to see how much I can do with candles. They are cheap and easy to acquire and store, they don't have an offensive smell, the flame is more or less safe and controlled, and the sight of a box of candles or the smell of a candle being burned or extinguished is unlikely to attract anyone's attention in an apartment building.

I don't have experience with long-term situations like backpacking the back-country or surviving civil unrest or natural disasters, so I can't say how well the recipes would translate for that. I'm not even entirely sure yet how well they'd do for camping. But I'll post things here as I develop them, feedback is appreciated, and we can get the ball rolling.

First of all, I put a kettle with a pint of water over four tea lights. Unfortunately I didn't think to stick a thermometer in there, but I can tell you that even though the water didn't boil, it did become too hot to stick a finger into. So yesterday I heated a pint of water and made hot cocoa and oatmeal for breakfast.

Today I decided to try a pot of soup. Here are my results.

Udon Soup - Take one!

The set up:

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An emergency stove set on a foil-lined baking sheet. Before lighting the candles, I checked to see if my pot would sit securely on the stove in this position. It did not, so I had to fold the sides into the second-position, which you will see in another photo. The pot sat more securely with the sides tilted in, and so I lit 5 tea-light candles in the emergency stove.

I proceeded to cook dinner with my window cracked open, my candle-extinguisher nearby, and I did not leave the pot unattended at all.

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For ingredients, I used Dan-D Pak Vegetable Soup Flakes (a mixture of dehydrated potato, leek, onion, carrot, bell pepper, cabbage, celery, and god only knows what else), texturised vegetable soy protein chunks, dried shiitake mushrooms, a pack of udon noodles, a bouillon cube, sesame oil, and a packet of soy sauce.

I added everything except for the noodles, and let it sit for about 20 minutes with the lid on the pot, stirring occasionally.

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IMG_20120530_021129 by Kayleen's Photos, on Flickr

The mixture did not break a boil (it barely got to a simmer), but when it became steaming hot, I added the udon noodles to the soup and let it sit until it became steaming hot again.

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IMG_20120530_022759 by Kayleen's Photos, on Flickr

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IMG_20120530_024356 by Kayleen's Photos, on Flickr

This made two bowls worth of soup, which is enough food for one or two people depending on your appetite.

My results with this soup are this: The broth needed a little something, possibly because I used low sodium. I had to continue seasoning with garlic powder, pepper, hot sauce, extra salt. You may need to adjust this to your taste.

The soy chunks have a texture and taste that takes getting used to. I will use them again but I will break them into pea-sized pieces next time.

The vacuum sealed packs of pre-cooked udon noodles heat up beautifully on the emergency stove. Because cooking over candles won't get the water to boil, it's important to use noodles like this, or quick-cooking noodles such as ramen or couscous. I would like to experiment with those vacuum-sealed packs of gnocchi.

If I somehow got snowed into my apartment for a couple of days and had to live on this soup (plus oatmeal and hot cocoa), I don't think I would mind too much.

I look forward to updating this thread with further culinary experiments.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby BullOnParade » Wed May 30, 2012 7:18 am

How long do you think your candles would last cooking like this? Did it take four full candles to make the soup?
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby Katica » Wed May 30, 2012 7:33 am

Those same candles have been used twice so far and they look like I might be able to get a third use out of them, so I estimate 5 tea-lights per day.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby TacAir » Wed May 30, 2012 10:06 am

Thanks for the report & photos!

Have you considered something a bit more conventional?

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Esbit makes a nice cookset as does Trangia.

A commercial version of your idea
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I tried a homemade, 3 wick, beeswax candle housed in an old shoe polish tin under a USGI canteen cup / stove. The results were unsatisfactory. It might warm water enough to make a lukewarm cup of Swiss Miss, but otherwise, less than stellar.


As a side note, Sterno canned fuel comes in several temp ranges.
Hot Spot Superwick fuel - 195F and burns for 4 hours
Sterno Green gel fuel - menthol free - 185F burns for 45 min
Sterno Wick chafing fuel - 180F and burns for 2 hours
Handy fuel - 175F burns for 45 min.

A surplus (larger) Trangia alcohol burner (SVEA) will fit a folding Sterno stove perfectly. It's refillable and burns invisibility. The flash point for methanol is 11 to 12 C.

Since the Sterno fuel is routinely used in hotels and restaurants the apartment management shouldn't have a problem with its use.

Best of luck for cooking in the future when the power is out.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby TheFishinMagician » Thu May 31, 2012 8:53 am

Are oil lamps banned in your apartment?

If not, then I'd suggest picking up one of these for light and cooking...

Dietz #2000 Millennium Cooker Lantern

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Multi-purpose wins! One of these should work fine...inexpensive and easy to operate. Spare lamp oil and wick is cheap, too.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby BullOnParade » Thu May 31, 2012 11:04 am

Not going to lie, I'll probably pick up one of those lamps. $30 ain't bad at all. But I still like the OP, I have over 100 tea lights around, they're something everyone has, even your least prepared friend has tea lights in a drawer somewhere. Knowing alternative ways to use them Is always a bonus.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby TacAir » Thu May 31, 2012 12:00 pm

TheFishinMagician wrote:Are oil lamps banned in your apartment?

If not, then I'd suggest picking up one of these for light and cooking...

Dietz #2000 Millennium Cooker Lantern

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Multi-purpose wins! One of these should work fine...inexpensive and easy to operate. Spare lamp oil and wick is cheap, too.


Over at Classic Camp Stove site, I found this short review

Recently I bought one of these: Dietz Millennium Cooker Lantern It is a nice lantern, and comes with some little pans, plus a rack which replaces the top of the lantern and allows more heat to play directly on the pans.

So how well does it work? Just OK. I give it a 2.5 on a scale of 1-5, because while it will warm things up (like a bowl of soup) it does not really cook them. It was hard to get tea water really hot enough to brew a good cup of tea, although in a pinch it would do.

The inside rim of the lid is very sharp. Don't ask me how I know this. The metal of the pans is very thin and dents easily. You can push the dents back out just as easily.

So, I'm glad I got it if only because it is a decent lantern, and I suppose there are some situations it might come handy in, but it is not going to replace any of my stoves. A nice little oddity. Just thought I'd mention it.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby BullOnParade » Thu May 31, 2012 2:51 pm

But ... but oil lamps in an urban high rise just screams rustic. No woman could resist me with a few of these. :gonk:

I'm still interested in the recipes/experiments. How about cooking rice to a chewable state? It won't be as fast as on a stove top, but it should be faster than room temperature water.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby TheFishinMagician » Thu May 31, 2012 7:20 pm

Sure, it's not a camp stove...it's a lantern. Don't expect to be able to cook 3-course meals with it.

Several reviews are also posted on youtube. One guy does a "water boil test" versus another Dietz lantern. It takes a while to get up to pasteurization temps, but it gets there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzHb6gAi ... re=related

The test probably would have went better if he put a lid on the pot and used a windscreen to trap and funnel more of the heat upwards towards the pot.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby Katica » Sat Jun 09, 2012 2:07 pm

Oh wow, what a bunch of awesome ideas :)

I haven't seen the oil lamp cooker in stores around here - it looks like it'd be similar to my set up (ie it's better for warming than cooking) but with the dual purpose of also providing light.

Someone mentioned that the pot is hella flimsy - think I'd be able to stick my own cookware on it?

As for the other options, those would be great for outdoor/camping/bugout cookery. But I am concerned with how safe fuels are for cooking indoors, say, in my kitchen where the only ventilation might be an open window. I know a few candles won't give me carbon monoxide poisoning (well, maybe they could in the right circumstance?) but I worry about some of the other cooking fuels.

In the meantime, here's the next installment of my candle cookery experiments....

Curried Couscous and Chickpeas

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This is very simple. I bought pre-seasoned couscous, which can be a little pricey so I stock up when it goes on sale. I don't usually use convenience foods like this, but they are great for when I don't have the time and energy to fuss too much.

I wanted to see if I could rinse the canned chickpeas with a minimal amount of water, so first I drained them inside of the can, then put them in a bowl where I added a cup of water and swirled it around with my fingers for a bit. Then I drained the water and repeated this with another cup of water. Canned bean juice gives me some pretty loud digestive issues if it's not well rinsed off the beans, and usually I just dump the beans in the colander and blast it with running water until the foam is gone. This method seems to use less water, so if it works well, I will switch to this as my usual bean rinsing method.

In a water conservation situation I would save this grey water to go towards toilet flushing. (In a really severe water conservation situation I would probably just use the bean juice and suffer for it.)

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In a pot over 6 tea lights, I put the rinsed chickpeas, a pinch of curry, a few tablespoons of dried veggie flakes, and one cup of water (which is half of what the package calls for). When this was steaming hot, I added four ounces of the couscous mix (which was half the package, by weight.)

My pot is obviously too tiny to cook the full package of couscous.

After 5 minutes, I have this:

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It was tasty but I will cook it longer next time to give the dehydrated vegetables a better chance to rehydrate.

Things learned this time around:

1. Make sure the stove is in the position you need it to be in before you light the candles or fire inside of it. Once it's on, it'll be too hot to adjust!

2. The dollar store camp stove is flimsier than the Coghlan one. But, it will work. However, if you press down on it too hard while you're stirring a pot of couscous....

3. It will collapse. But the bright side is that the worst thing that happens in this scenerio is that the candles immediately go out.

This meal was enough for me with leftovers. If I had more people to cook for, I'd get a second pot going with canned mixed vegetable medley in it - or I'd add the vegetable medley to the couscous and cook the chickpeas in a second pot with tomato sauce and lots of spices. This and a can of fruit cocktail for dessert ought to cover the bases for a meal in a short term situation.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby Katica » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:43 am

Update: The bean rinsing method I tried is going to need refinement to counteract the, er, effects of the indigestible starches in the bean liquid.
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Re: Katica's Candle Cookery Experiments, with Photos

Postby Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:53 am

Katica wrote:Update: The bean rinsing method I tried is going to need refinement to counteract the, er, effects of the indigestible starches in the bean liquid.

:shock: lol, blazing saddles ftw.

Nice thread, btw.

Like others have said, there are other ways of producing a cooking flame that are more betterer but this is a well presented way of looking at an interesting "improvised' alternative.

Thanks. :D

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