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I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by guy1138 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:09 pm

**Can a Mod move this to food and drink?**

So this is a project I've wanted to start for awhile.

Here are the ingredients:

2 ea, one gal apple juice, no preservatives - I bought the Whole foods brand and a brand called Mrs. Gooches, both $7.99 each
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1 ea packet of Ale yeast - in this case, Safale US-O5 $4.55 ea
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2 ea three-piece airlocks and #5.5 rubber stoppers, approx $3 ea.
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The yeast is enough for 5 gallons of beer, so I divided it in half and mixed it with warm water. It looks kinda milky:
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Then I gave the bottles a vigorous shaking to get all the sediment mixed back in. Poured half of that container into each bottle of apple juice. Inserted the stoppers and airlocks, and added water to the airlocks.
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The ale yeast supposedly does well between 65-75 degrees, which is the ambient temperature of my apartment, so we'll see how this goes. I had wanted to get this done before Christmas, but I procrastinated too much, looks like this will be a New Years treat. I actually started this Wednesday, so it should be ready to taste tomorrow. Wish me luck!
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Chef » Fri Dec 24, 2010 5:39 pm

Looks good! Progress reports are a must.

Cider apples are different from eating and juice apples. They have much less sugar and are pretty much inedible. I'm curious about whether apple juice meant to be drunk unfermented will make a decent hard cider.
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by fungusmunkey » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:28 pm

Regular apple juice make great cider. It is sweeter than a standard cider but still really good.

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I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by ScottAW » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:31 pm

Awesome, Definately let us know how this works, I'll have to try if it does.

And that juice came in awesome jugs, reuse for all homemade alcohol.

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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Dawgboy » Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:38 pm

I have done this with champagne yeast and got a real nice dry cider after about a month in the carboy. Next year I am going to try from scratch as I have a massive Apple tree at the new pad.
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by NapTime » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:11 pm

Just a word to the wise, it won't be a sweet apple cider! Most yeasts ferment out pretty dry, which is to say it turns essentially all of the sugar into alcohol (and CO2), which in turn means there won't be much sugar left to taste. Don't be surprised if it's quite tart, and don't be discouraged if it has harsh sharp biting tastes in it. It will get better with age, so don't dump it out or make any final judgments for a few weeks. If you want to read more than you ever wanted to know about brewing Apfelwein, there's a thread here that will get you up to speed.

Good on to you for making a batch though! Tell us how it tastes!

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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by WY_Not » Fri Dec 24, 2010 7:54 pm

Could always take it a step further and make applejack. :twisted: Freeze it till ice starts forming, remove ice, repeat. As the frozen water is removed, the alcohol content of the remaining liquid increases.

At zero degrees ice will form until the liquid reaches 14% alcohol by volume.
At 10 below ice will form until it reaches 20%.
At 20 below 27% can be made.
And, at 30 below 33% alcohol can be obtained.

Just don't do it if you are in the US. Distillation of any kind is illegal (damned stupid laws).
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by guy1138 » Fri Dec 24, 2010 8:33 pm

Dawgboy wrote: I have done this with champagne yeast and got a real nice dry cider
NapTime wrote: Just a word to the wise, it won't be a sweet apple cider!
Yeah, according to the interwebs, the champagne yeast comes out especially dry, which is why I went with an ale yeast. I like my hooch dry instead of sweet, so I'm really looking forward to this.
ScottAW wrote: And that juice came in awesome jugs, reuse for all homemade alcohol.
Absolutely. If this batch turns out well, I'm going to buy 3 more. Hell, the 1 gallon jugs at the homebrew store are almost $10 each, so it's way cheaper to buy it this way. After I've got 5 of the gallon jars, I'll look for a cheaper source of no preservative apple juice.
WY_Not wrote:Could always take it a step further and make applejack.
I'm definitely going to try that with my next batch.

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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by the_alias » Sat Dec 25, 2010 7:06 am

Ooo arrr
Real cider - Devon or Somerset stuff is some of the nicest and foulest stuff ever made by man. Bits at the bottom - so thick it burns your through ranging from 7% right up to 13% .

You pay for it the next morning but it tastes so goood!
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Gingerbread Man » Sat Dec 25, 2010 11:54 am

Are you going to invite Chavs?
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Ad'lan » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:13 pm

fungusmunkey wrote:Regular apple juice make great cider. It is sweeter than a standard cider but still really good.
That's more like the Norfolk style of cider. Stronger and often sweeter than the west country variety. But yeah, unless you stop the fermentation, it'll continue until the booze kills the yeast and all the sugar gone.
the_alias wrote:Ooo arrr
Real cider - Devon or Somerset stuff is some of the nicest and foulest stuff ever made by man. Bits at the bottom - so thick it burns your through ranging from 7% right up to 13% .

You pay for it the next morning but it tastes so goood!
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chavs you mean? What do they have to do with cider? They wouldn't know good cider if it kicked them in the eye. The cider they drink tends to the 99p a litres apple flavour with industrial alcohol and carbonation that you find in corner shops.
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by ausher » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:17 pm

Cider is great! You can drink it and heal sore hands. Whenever I have a rough day at work and cnc'ing is rough of the hands and fingers I like to soak em in cider :D

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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Gingerbread Man » Sat Dec 25, 2010 12:39 pm

Ad'lan wrote:
Regular Guy wrote:Are you going to invite yardies or what ever those ghetto Brit kids are called that harass folks.
chavs you mean? What do they have to do with cider? They wouldn't know good cider if it kicked them in the eye. The cider they drink tends to the 99p a litres apple flavour with industrial alcohol and carbonation that you find in corner shops.
Yeah, Chavs. Don't they harass folks and drink cider. I was trying to make a joke. :oops:
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Ad'lan » Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:21 pm

Regular Guy wrote:
Ad'lan wrote:
Regular Guy wrote:Are you going to invite yardies or what ever those ghetto Brit kids are called that harass folks.
chavs you mean? What do they have to do with cider? They wouldn't know good cider if it kicked them in the eye. The cider they drink tends to the 99p a litres apple flavour with industrial alcohol and carbonation that you find in corner shops.
Yeah, Chavs. Don't they harass folks and drink cider. I was trying to make a joke. :oops:
No bother, I just didn't get the joke with no smiley. Impressive cultural knowledge though.
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by nateted4 » Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:43 pm

I see that it's on the counter. I assume that was for the pic, and now you've stored it away somewhere nice and dark. If not, do so, as UV will turn it funky. Kinda like a cardboard taste. Avoid contamination, including wild yeasts and bacteria in the air, and keep it cool and dark. And let us know the results!
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by dukman » Sun Dec 26, 2010 2:56 am

I used to like Hard Cider... then I drank too much of it too fast and payed for it the next morning :shock: :mrgreen:
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by freenarative » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:12 am

WY_Not wrote:
Just don't do it if you are in the US. Distillation of any kind is illegal (damned stupid laws).
As long as you pay the tax, you can make any alcohol you like in the uk ;) can anyone say potcheen? ;)
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Ad'lan » Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:20 am

freenarative wrote:
WY_Not wrote:
Just don't do it if you are in the US. Distillation of any kind is illegal (damned stupid laws).
As long as you pay the tax, you can make any alcohol you like in the uk ;) can anyone say potcheen? ;)
No, you must have a license first, as I understand it, a very hard license to get.
You can brew whatever you like for personal consumption though. Just stills need to comply with the Alcoholic Liquor Duties Act 1979 s18(1).
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by freenarative » Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:24 am

Ad'lan wrote:
freenarative wrote:
WY_Not wrote:
Just don't do it if you are in the US. Distillation of any kind is illegal (damned stupid laws).
As long as you pay the tax, you can make any alcohol you like in the uk ;) can anyone say potcheen? ;)
No, you must have a license first, as I understand it, a very hard license to get.
You can brew whatever you like for personal consumption though. Just stills need to comply with the Alcoholic Liquor Duties Act 1979 s18(1).
Ah,,, yes,,, sorry I did badly word that one. The below is taken from http://homedistiller.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; which I scanned VERY quickly but i think it should explain my thinking. also please note the rules here are clear and this is for informative purposes only!

If you use a still and are caught you will be liable to pay the duty on the alcohol in the spirits you make (currently £19.56 per litre) and to pay a fine of whichever is the greater of £250 and 5% of the duty payable. (Finance Act 1994 s9(2)). Forget getting a license. There are rules about how large (or rather how small) the still can be which would render any home device unlawful and in any case you'd have to pay the duty which sort of defeats the object. As far as I can ascertain, you are not committing a criminal offence by distilling alcohol. All the above are civil matters. I assume that Customs and Excise would seize all your product and your equipment too.

In short, you might say that the consequences of a raid on a genuine hobby distiller making liquor for him or herself would be embarrassing but not necessarily disastrous. As for the likelihood of getting caught; well I have never heard of a case in my lifetime (I'm 47). My own guess is that the Customs an Excise are far too busy chasing drugs and liquor smugglers and dealing with VAT fraud to bother with a small time....... Hang on, there's someone at the door.
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To the OP:
Where did you get the yeast and the airlocks? I can't find them anywhere.
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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by rule4 » Wed Dec 29, 2010 10:55 am

ODA 226 wrote:To the OP:
Where did you get the yeast and the airlocks? I can't find them anywhere.
these are for sale at any brewing supply store. im my part of the country home brewing is quite popular. you can also get supplies off the web... just search for home brew supplies.

i used to make hard cider in college with champagne yeast and unpasteurized apple juice. it came out pretty good from what i remember but back then i was more interested in it's effects rather than it's taste.

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Post by ZombieGranny » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:27 pm

We make what we call 'wine'. ahem.
It's good freshly made, but then not so good, then 2 months later it's yummy.
Even better after 2 years if you can keep people out of it. I have some cherry 'wine' aged so far 3 years. Like the devil in velvet trousers.
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Post by whisk.e.rebellion » Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:38 pm

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Re: I'm Making Hard Cider!!

Post by Confucius » Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:40 am

ZombieGranny wrote:We make what we call 'wine'. ahem.
It's good freshly made, but then not so good, then 2 months later it's yummy.
Even better after 2 years if you can keep people out of it. I have some cherry 'wine' aged so far 3 years. Like the devil in velvet trousers.
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I've got a cherry melomel that has been aging for the last few years (two and a half, I think).
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