Pressure Canning

For all your pre- and post-PAW food and beverage recipes. Just because it keeps you alive doesn't mean it shouldn't be tasty.

Moderator: ZS Global Moderators

Canning for years

Postby RedHaired1 » Tue Apr 29, 2008 9:53 pm

Hi there,

How lucky you bought a canner that you can use. GOOD FOR YOU that you are learning how to use it and that you also enjoy the 'plinking'. :) I do too.

A few tips to the general public- make sure your rubber gasket inside the canner is good. It would be good to have an extra on hand. They can crack and fail at the worst times.

Also, I was told by several different people that you should use a jar separator (like in a regular canner) for pressure canning, since the jars tend to knock together a bit more than in regular canning. I've done it both ways and 'feel safer' using the canning rack/ jar separator.

With regard to keeping things for YEARS, as always, use caution. I've had somethings do really well and others miserably....anything pickled though, is great.

My soapbox - canning jars, lids, and rings. A few years ago, Ball/Kerr changed ownership to become Jarden Home Brands. They also began to repackage their canning jars from regular boxes with regular fold-over tops and bottoms to the half-box with plastic wrap.

A few summers ago, I was running low on pints and needed to buy more. I went and bought 4 boxes of pints in the new packaging. I had a failure rate of 1:4. After cussing like a sailor and throwing out the equivalent of a third of a box of green beans in the trash (can you say Bought-u-liz-im?!)

Come to find out, the 'new' and more 'environmentally friendly' packaging allows the rings to be dented so a seal was unable to occur. These dents were along the screws and dents along the top. I called the company. They informed me that my old pressure cooker and the water bath is no longer the 'BEST' method for canning. They wanted me to buy a NEW pressure canner (from their site, $170) and NEW Ball Blue Book, basically, new everything. What a crock.

My response was to send them the visibly dented rings (wrapped in a small cardboard tray and plastic), add a nice letter, and wait. Their response was to send me coupons for three dozen jars, but these expired 3 months from the date of reciept (September) and who buys, let alone which store carries a good selection of canning jars in DECEMBER?!

So, now I scour thrift stores, estate sales, etc for canning jars. As long as there are no nicks and a ring fits, they are good for use.

End of soap box. Now, I buy the lids and rings together. End of complaint. :) Moral: Inspect all jars, lids, and rings before you use them.

Aside from the above soap box, I can most veggies (tomatoes, beans, corn, etc.) and even fruit (apples, berries, etc.) I've got a friend who cans fish, game and other meats. Since I've solved the ring issue, no problems.
User avatar
RedHaired1
*
 
Posts: 75
Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2008 3:22 am
Location: NW

Postby ZombieGranny » Sun May 11, 2008 12:11 pm

removed by request of original poster
Last edited by ZombieGranny on Thu May 29, 2008 1:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
In my day, we didn't have virtual reality.
If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
squinty wrote:Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
User avatar
ZombieGranny
* * * * *
 
Posts: 5714
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm
Location: NW

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Famine » Thu May 22, 2008 12:54 pm

This is a very good thread. I feel like it might be silly to ask, but is it wise to seal your cans if you are pickling a pot of peppers? I know the vinegar and all the fun stuff treats them from rotting, but I want to be sure.

Kevin
NNYWCT Alum! We Bug Out Harder!
Image
crypto wrote:Well, if you are thinking of moving into a house, and all the signs on the street every 50 feet warn in giant block letters: GUNS WILL BE TAKEN IF THERE IS MORE THAN 3 INCHES OF SNOW, you may want to re-think living there.
User avatar
Famine
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1401
Joined: Wed Apr 28, 2004 5:24 pm
Location: Upstate NY

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Thu May 22, 2008 4:47 pm

Famine wrote:This is a very good thread. I feel like it might be silly to ask, but is it wise to seal your cans if you are pickling a pot of peppers? I know the vinegar and all the fun stuff treats them from rotting, but I want to be sure.

Kevin


Famine -

You wouldn't have to pressure can them, but you'd definitely want to water-bath can them to seal the jars.
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby herbalpagan » Thu May 22, 2008 4:55 pm

I took a class through the Extension Agency and I asked why the change in the rules for canning, and why we have to be so specific when old timers could get away doing it differently. A really cool lady (who I trusted) told me that it was an enviromental thing....with the quality or air and water, and the use of pesticides and all of that, it was nessesary to take all the precautions. Check your lids for dents, check your jars for nicks, don't reuse mayo jars or store jars, and don't go with the old methods of wax and bail type jars. A new Ball canning book is not a bad idea and they are fairly cheap to buy.
herbalpagan
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1655
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am
Location: Western MA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby ZombieGranny » Thu May 22, 2008 9:14 pm

removed by request of original poster
Last edited by ZombieGranny on Thu May 29, 2008 1:09 am, edited 1 time in total.
In my day, we didn't have virtual reality.
If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
squinty wrote:Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
User avatar
ZombieGranny
* * * * *
 
Posts: 5714
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm
Location: NW

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Thu May 22, 2008 11:27 pm

herbalpagan wrote:I took a class through the Extension Agency and I asked why the change in the rules for canning, and why we have to be so specific when old timers could get away doing it differently. A really cool lady (who I trusted) told me that it was an enviromental thing....with the quality or air and water, and the use of pesticides and all of that, it was nessesary to take all the precautions.


Very true - it also has to do with how the Ph of the soil has changed due to pesticides, intensive farming, and the environmental impact of humans in general. At one time, water bath canning was considered safe for tomatoes with no additional ingredients - however, the acidity of the average tomato has dropped so much in the past ~100 years, that's no longer the case. As ZombieGranny pointed out earlier, you have to add your own acid (usually vinegar, which contains acetic acid).
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Kathy in FL » Mon May 26, 2008 6:49 am

Acidity is the main issue from what I understand, especially with tomatoes. New hybrid veggies - as opposed to the heirloom varieties that are opened pollinated - have had the acidity bred right out of them. Only high acid foods can be hot water bathed ... fruit primarily though there are some pickles that can be water bathed as well.

Veggies are low acid so need the pressure canner, and they always have. My great grandmother was using a pressure canner on the farm before my grandmother was born. My Mom turned 60, my grandmother would have been nearly 80 this year, so pressure canning isn't a new phenomena at all.

However having to pressure can tomatoes is, so to speak. And it goes back to the acidity issue.

If you don't want to pressure can your veggies, then learn to dehydrate them. That is even a better idea if you only have a small pantry space. You'll have water issues for rehydrating them, so you'll need to balance out what your actual needs are. I do a little bit of everything - canning, freezing, dehydrating - and that is what works best for my family. But, I have five kids to feed and have had to make a few compromises along the way. Do what makes the most sense for your own situation.
User avatar
Kathy in FL
* * * * *
 
Posts: 4847
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Shadowsbane » Tue May 27, 2008 5:45 pm

You also need a good dehydrator to get down to a safe level of moisture. Basically less than 10% water and you are golden for most things.

From what I understand most table dehydrators just don't measure up to quite that level. But I may be wrong.
All dwarfs are by nature dutiful, serious, literate, obedient and thoughtful people whose only minor failing is a tendency, after one drink, to rush at enemies screaming "Arrrrrrgh!" and axing their legs off at the knee.
Terry Pratchett

http://www.lonelymountainleather.com (Temporarily closed)

I am col o r Blind
Shadowsbane
* * * * *
 
Posts: 3299
Joined: Thu Oct 25, 2007 11:58 pm
Location: Raleigh NC

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Flea » Tue May 27, 2008 6:21 pm

I just picked up 2 cases of Ball qt regular mouth jars and lids along with a Presto 16 qt pressure canner. I am going to make a huge batch of spaghetti sauce this weekend and can it for my first attempt at this.

We have a garden planted so I think I will get some good use from it once all the veggies start appearing :)
Image

Image
User avatar
Flea
ZS Member
ZS Member
 
Posts: 856
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:09 pm
Location: Summerville, SC

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby herbalpagan » Wed May 28, 2008 6:33 am

it's been a few years since I used my pressure canner, so I checked it out and saw that after several moves, so many parts have been lost and it's been dented so badly, that I am going to have to get another. I'm looking for a flat bottom large pan to use for jelly making too...so if anyone has an idea of where to find one, I'd love to hear.
herbalpagan
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1655
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am
Location: Western MA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Kathy in FL » Wed May 28, 2008 12:01 pm

herbalpagan wrote:it's been a few years since I used my pressure canner, so I checked it out and saw that after several moves, so many parts have been lost and it's been dented so badly, that I am going to have to get another. I'm looking for a flat bottom large pan to use for jelly making too...so if anyone has an idea of where to find one, I'd love to hear.


I got my hot water bath canner from Walmart over in the pots and pans section. Its been several years so I can't tell you how much it cost. Its that blue speckle ware kind of thing and it comes with the insert/jar basket.
User avatar
Kathy in FL
* * * * *
 
Posts: 4847
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 2:59 pm
Location: Florida, USA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby ZombieGranny » Wed May 28, 2008 12:33 pm

removed by request of original poster
Last edited by ZombieGranny on Thu May 29, 2008 1:12 am, edited 2 times in total.
In my day, we didn't have virtual reality.
If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
squinty wrote:Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
User avatar
ZombieGranny
* * * * *
 
Posts: 5714
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm
Location: NW

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby Flea » Wed May 28, 2008 1:07 pm

ZombieGranny wrote:Flea, do you have a recipe?
HSMom's spaghetti sauce is a great favorite... http://www.mrssurvival.com/forums/ubbth ... Post146784
This is Cat's - http://www.mrssurvival.com/forums/ubbth ... mber=98199


Basically all I do is sautee some onions and garlic in olive oil.

Add tomato sauce or if I have them fresh tomotoes I use them.

Add either fresh or dry (whatever I have) Oregano, Basil and Parlsey.

Add salt and pepper to taste.

I then add about some fresh ground romano cheese...not a whole lot.

Then I just simmer on low stirring occassionaly for about 45 minutes.

You'll notice no amounts listed...I do it by eye...adjust after tasting ;)
Image

Image
User avatar
Flea
ZS Member
ZS Member
 
Posts: 856
Joined: Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:09 pm
Location: Summerville, SC

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby ZombieGranny » Wed May 28, 2008 11:12 pm

removed by request of original poster
Last edited by ZombieGranny on Thu May 29, 2008 1:13 am, edited 2 times in total.
In my day, we didn't have virtual reality.
If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
squinty wrote:Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
User avatar
ZombieGranny
* * * * *
 
Posts: 5714
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm
Location: NW

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Thu May 29, 2008 12:40 am

*edit*
Last edited by GeneralDiscontent on Thu May 29, 2008 6:37 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby ZombieGranny » Thu May 29, 2008 1:07 am

I was attempting to help keep people safe.

So sorry to have offended.

I have removed the posts, and will leave this thread.
In my day, we didn't have virtual reality.
If a one-eyed razorback barbarian warrior was chasing you with an ax, you just had to hope you could outrun him.
squinty wrote:Safety isn't a lever on a gun, a guard on a knife or any other mechanical device. Safety is a behavior.
User avatar
ZombieGranny
* * * * *
 
Posts: 5714
Joined: Sat Sep 08, 2007 2:53 pm
Location: NW

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Thu May 29, 2008 1:43 am

ZombieGranny wrote:I was attempting to help keep people safe.

So sorry to have offended.

I have removed the posts, and will leave this thread.


ZombieGranny -

It was not my intention to hurt anyone's feelings, nor to have you delete all your posts - there was a lot of good information there. It was just frustrating for me to try something new, and to receive what felt like a lot of negative feedback.

You have mentioned in this & other threads that you deal with food preps on a much larger scale than I do, as well as a group of people who routinely do canning. I would be legitimately interested in seeing a write-up from someone with more experience with these things than I have. That was my main purpose in starting this thread - it was something I felt the forum was lacking.

I have added a disclaimer to the first post, and maybe I'll try to do an improved re-write of in the late summer / early fall when it's more timely.
Last edited by GeneralDiscontent on Thu May 29, 2008 6:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby herbalpagan » Thu May 29, 2008 10:48 am

this is a great and informative thread. JMO

by the way, the flat bottomed ppan I need is called a jelly pan, it is the blue speckles kind, but it is shallower than a water bath canner with no inserts It has a handle on it. It is perfect for making jam and jelly since it allows it to cook properly. I haven't seen one for a while. I used mine so much in the past that they started to show wear, then when I stopped using them for jam, I used them for other stuff and they aren't suitable for cooking in now.
herbalpagan
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1655
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am
Location: Western MA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby herbalpagan » Thu May 29, 2008 10:55 am

Found one!
this site has a lot of great stuff that helps with home canning.
http://www.canningpantry.com/preserving-kettle.html
herbalpagan
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1655
Joined: Mon Apr 16, 2007 7:13 am
Location: Western MA

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Thu May 29, 2008 6:36 pm

herbalpagan wrote:Found one!
this site has a lot of great stuff that helps with home canning.
http://www.canningpantry.com/preserving-kettle.html


Nice site! They have good prices on their canners right now too...
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby JakkSchitt » Fri Jun 13, 2008 3:19 pm

I just bought the Presto 16qt pressure canner today. I have never even thought of canning up until a few weeks ago. I did some research and today I canned 2 qt size jars of browned ground beef and 2 qt size jars of hamburgers. I took frozen hamburger patties left over my daughters party this past weekend and cut them in 4 pieces each. I reshaped them into mini size burgers. My husband just got home and wanted to know why I had turds floating in jars!


Image
Jakk

Abacus wrote:Good luck and welcome to Zombie Squad, don't fuck it up.
JakkSchitt
* * *
 
Posts: 315
Joined: Mon May 05, 2008 6:37 pm

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby GeneralDiscontent » Sat Jun 21, 2008 9:08 pm

Jakk wrote:I just bought the Presto 16qt pressure canner today. I have never even thought of canning up until a few weeks ago. I did some research and today I canned 2 qt size jars of browned ground beef and 2 qt size jars of hamburgers. I took frozen hamburger patties left over my daughters party this past weekend and cut them in 4 pieces each. I reshaped them into mini size burgers. My husband just got home and wanted to know why I had turds floating in jars!


Image


Hmmm, looks like your ground beef did the same thing as mine - it kind of "absorbed" some of the liquid I put in the jars, leaving me with an awful lot of headroom in those jars...

Our latest is homemade strawberry jam:

Image

The wife went to the u-pick farm today for strawberries, and came home with about ten lbs. We got 10 half-pint jars of jam and still have about 5 lbs. left (I'm going to take some to a potluck tomorrow...)
Some of my write-ups you might find useful: My FAK, poncho mod, my BOAT, pressure canning, bulk food storage
User avatar
GeneralDiscontent
* * * * *
 
Posts: 1184
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:49 pm
Location: Ohio

Re: Pressure Canning

Postby JakkSchitt » Sun Jun 22, 2008 5:58 am

I dont know that it absorbed it all or I lost a lot of it in the canner. The water was full of grease when I pulled the jars out. I also did not measure the headspace right. I left one inch from the neck of the jar, not from the top of the threads. It was my first shot and canning, and im learning! Im hoping it will still be good, the seals are all solidly intact.
Jakk

Abacus wrote:Good luck and welcome to Zombie Squad, don't fuck it up.
JakkSchitt
* * *
 
Posts: 315
Joined: Mon May 05, 2008 6:37 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Eats and Drinks

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests