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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Wed Aug 25, 2010 7:44 pm

eugene wrote:I should have said dogs, plural, you'll need multiple to pull any kind of load, one or two won't cut it. You then need the acreage for them to run and exercise, etc.

A dog or 2 can pull a cross country skier (skijorning) or bicyclist (bikejoring), but not more. Even if the dog ends up being a companion animal I could do a lot worse.

How big of a team can I handle? How few can I get away with and not harm the dogs? Will bikejoring work with a tricycle towing a load and how much load can these animals and I working together handle? These are the questions mulling in my head. I figure everything else will sort itself out over time and it's not like this part of my BOV Plan will need to be dealt with in the next 2 years.

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby eugene » Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:57 pm

I couldn't remember if you were thinking of a dogsled type setup or what.
I have a family of 4, this is my secondary BOV

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Wife and I both have the same bike and we went from a trailer to a pair of seats on the back then to a single trail a bike and seat and now the double trail a bike. I would have just bought a second trail a bike but my daughter is still a little small to go very far on it so this way she can alternate between it and the seat on the back of my wife's bike. As she outgrows the seat we can add the single trail a bike to my wife's and be able to carry more gear.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:08 am

Sounds like a great set-up right there Eugene. I like the well made trailer bicycles for families because they keep everyone together and everyone can help according to their abilities. I have one hanging on my porch from before my divorce (and I honestly hope Ex2 picks it up because her little girl loves riding that thing).

I was doing some research this morning on dog sledding and I discovered that dog teams were, historically, small in size (1-4 dogs) and used large breeds such as the Alaskan Malamute - what I'm considering doing. Sled racing created the Alaskan Husky (not a recognized breed) which is smaller and faster but does not have the pulling power of the larger dog. There is some good info at this website: link

As far as going the actual sled route, that is something that I would have to take as it comes. Bikejoring and skijoring are where I intend to start as bikejoring doesn't add any issues to the BOV during the summer beyond harnessing the animal(s) properly and adding their gear (mainly food) to the bug-out kit.

I'm also kinda in a toss-up between going with an Alaskan Malamute or a Samoyed for my first dog. A Chinook would be really nice from a sled-dog point of view, but with a population of under 1,000 I think they will be too expensive. There is a whole lot more than just "I wanna sled dog" going into this as the first dog is most likely going to be primarily a companion/watch dog.

I'm still thinking that, dog sled or no, a snowmobile is something definitely worth having when I first move north. It doesn't have to be some race sled nor does it have to be something that is top of the line, I just need something that can reliably get me from A to B and back on unploughed roads if I decide to take a rural newspaper route. I like getting up at 3am and going to work for a couple hours - it gives me time to discover what I'm going to be able to do that day physically and mentally (that disabled vet thing again... what a PITA). Where I'm at is about the southern edge of reliable recreational snowmobiling. I have a feeling that where I am going to is where they start to become work vehicles. Because of this I think I'll get one my youngest boy's senior year in high school and get some ride time before moving north.

As far as acreage goes, the plan is to find me about 5-10 acres with deeded lake access (not lakefront - way too expensive and I've been in too many flood events to trust living on waterfront property). This puts me on my primary and secondary bug-out routes and will allow for a raised bed garden (soils are poor in the region) and room to play around on with my trains, landscaping, a few critters (not livestock), and maybe even put in an archery/gun range. Once properly fenced in I think the dog(s) will love playing around outside in addition to the long daily walk.

The pickup truck and trailer have been reconsidered yet again. I'm seriously looking at just getting a Wrangler and a jeep trailer and being done with it. In the long run it will be cheaper I think. I just have trouble justifying the pickup truck when it's just me and it's not needed for a job or to tend a hobby farm, which got ruled out due to the new area I'm looking to move to.

I must be getting older and less active. I think it's kinda sad that a 95°F heat index will knock me on my butt.

One last thought: It is one thing to say that your choices are determined by your area of operation and household, but it is quite another to really think it though and see what you would think is a brilliant solution become a huge liability due to a change in situation. In my case divorce and moving the opposite direction of what I want to. Yeah, I still would like to move to Arkansas to be near my brother, but the summers there would completely incapacitate me. The summers where I'm at now are bad enough to force me indoors. Funny how -20°F doesn't phase me (I've ridden a motorcycle in it) but 80°F can make me physically ill.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby meatshieldChris » Thu Aug 26, 2010 9:08 am

eugene wrote:I should have said dogs, plural, you'll need multiple to pull any kind of load, one or two won't cut it. You then need the acreage for them to run and exercise, etc.


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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby eugene » Thu Aug 26, 2010 3:08 pm

Any recent pickup truck gets the same fuel economy (or better) as a Wrangler and has the same parts, frame, axles, transfer case, etc. Mine is a 2004 with 95,000 miles now, I've had to replace the starter and a wheel bearing at ~$150 each time, they are not expensive to operate.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby eugene » Thu Sep 23, 2010 8:47 pm

Replace your canoe idea with this
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Fri Sep 24, 2010 7:46 am

I don't see room for cargo on that eugene, plus the floats are in a backpack so where does the BOB go? The fore-aft stability looks very good on it and the lateral primary stability should be excellent, but the secondary stability looks absolutely horrid.

This really does seem a better idea:
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With a proper trailer supporting the canoe, you should be able to keep some gear in it while towing. Trike will be a bit tricky but I've looked at the owner's manual for my particular model of choice and it does partially disassemble without tools for storage/transport if needed.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Thu Sep 30, 2010 3:17 pm

To deliver my newspapers, use for fitness, and train for bicycle touring (bugging out), I purchased a Raleigh Detour 4.5 today. (link) It is a step in the right direction and given that I will be using it when abandoning my minvan it seemed an appropriate name. There is much to do to convert it to a BOV but that will wait until after Christmas. If push comes to shove I can use it as-is.

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby CaptainRW » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:01 pm

I have to say, I like some of your plan. My BOV is a M35a2 Deuce, multi-fuel diesel I think I'm going to install a 275 gallon oil tank in the back and armor it a bit to extend the range. I tow a 63 JEEP CJ-5 behind it, tho I'm working on carrying it in the back of the deuce.

The issue with towing one (or even 2) trailers in bugging out, is backing up if you need to, it's a lot harder, specially if in a rush, Just a thought...

JEEP in the 50-60's did make a JEEP with a Perkins diesel, some multi fuel with hardened injectors.
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I have thought about a couple dogs, but once you start figuring in food/water for them, it takes up space and weight, that, IMHO, out-way their usefulness in a BO situation.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby eugene » Fri Oct 01, 2010 3:12 pm

Could also get a tracked bicycle for winter

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Wed Jan 26, 2011 7:35 pm

Main vehicle has been purchased and it arrived at my dealer today - I sign the documents and take possession tomorrow morning. One of the salesmen had a digital camera so my salesman borrowed it and snapped some pics.

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The schmuck in the day-glo orange hoodie is me.
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I hear if you turn that big circle shapped thing the picture in the window in front of you changes.
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The so-called motor the Wrangler comes with. I and and will do a couple things to help the fuel economy but I'm replacing it as soon as the repair bill will allow.
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Back view. Rear window is, to put it mildly, difficult to see through well. A backup camera may be in my future here.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tperkins » Wed Jan 26, 2011 9:24 pm

I hope you didnt buy that jeep new :?

Coming from a mechanic, that enginge compartment looks horrible to work on :shock:

I do have to say, nice job getting the Rubicon package. I beleive that comes with the 32" tires and the front and rear diff lockers?
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Oneswunk » Wed Jan 26, 2011 10:56 pm

So when are we planning your lift. My XJ has bigger tires :wink:

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:25 pm

Tperkins wrote:I hope you didnt buy that jeep new :?

Coming from a mechanic, that enginge compartment looks horrible to work on :shock:

I do have to say, nice job getting the Rubicon package. I beleive that comes with the 32" tires and the front and rear diff lockers?

Yes, I got it new, and yes, it comes with ~32.5" tires with lockers front and back and a 4:1 4-Lo. In the words of my gal Friday, you only live once and it's only money. Bless that woman.


Oneswunk wrote:So when are we planning your lift. My XJ has bigger tires :wink:

Looks good man.

I'll get a mild lift when I get new tires. The ones on there are as large as I'll go without one and I don't think I want to go larger than 35" but I don't have to worry about that for a while yet.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Oneswunk » Wed Jan 26, 2011 11:46 pm

You say that now. Once it bites ya its never enough . :twisted:

All I wanted was 31s and now I'm sitting on 33s and ready to start cutting fenders.

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tperkins » Thu Jan 27, 2011 7:06 pm

Tater Raider wrote:
Tperkins wrote:I hope you didnt buy that jeep new :?

Coming from a mechanic, that enginge compartment looks horrible to work on :shock:

I do have to say, nice job getting the Rubicon package. I beleive that comes with the 32" tires and the front and rear diff lockers?

Yes, I got it new, and yes, it comes with ~32.5" tires with lockers front and back and a 4:1 4-Lo. In the words of my gal Friday, you only live once and it's only money. Bless that woman.


Oneswunk wrote:So when are we planning your lift. My XJ has bigger tires :wink:

Looks good man.

I'll get a mild lift when I get new tires. The ones on there are as large as I'll go without one and I don't think I want to go larger than 35" but I don't have to worry about that for a while yet.

What j meant more about it new, is just you loose so much money just driving it off the lot, it can sometimes be way better to find one maybe a year old or two old with low miles, unless you really can't find one you like. Anyways, I'm jealous of your diff locks. My truck with ~320hp to the wheels is not fun with an open diff :? I have two new main BOV goals; REAL bull bar and a rear locker.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Thu Jan 27, 2011 8:51 pm

Tperkins wrote:What j meant more about it new, is just you loose so much money just driving it off the lot, it can sometimes be way better to find one maybe a year old or two old with low miles, unless you really can't find one you like.

What's the price tag on the warranty and no one (and I mean no one - showroom model) having driven it before me in an unknown manner (used) causing unknown problems? I mean if we are honest with ourselves here a car is a money pit. 8)

Trying to talk a guy out of buying new after he bought new is kinda silly too, donchathink? :wink:
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tperkins » Thu Jan 27, 2011 10:27 pm

Tater Raider wrote:
Tperkins wrote:What j meant more about it new, is just you loose so much money just driving it off the lot, it can sometimes be way better to find one maybe a year old or two old with low miles, unless you really can't find one you like.

What's the price tag on the warranty and no one (and I mean no one - showroom model) having driven it before me in an unknown manner (used) causing unknown problems? I mean if we are honest with ourselves here a car is a money pit. 8)

Trying to talk a guy out of buying new after he bought new is kinda silly too, donchathink? :wink:


Haha, I didnt mean that, I guess it came across the wrong way, and I understand what you mean. Anyways, I've liked following your BOV plan development, and I plan to revamp mine over summer with it's specifics as you did. I wish you luck with the new jeep, treat it well, change your oil, trans fluid, ect religously, and hopefully you wont have to deal with any of the normal nonmaintnance related problems in many used cars. I'm lucky that my truck was a one-owner that took care of it, as I dont experience any of the problems Dodge trucks usually seem to incur :lol:

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tater Raider » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:56 am

Tperkins wrote:Do you have any plans to convert to a hard top?

This will raise some eyebrows but no, I don't at this time. One of the things that made them import the truck from Wisconsin is that I wanted metal half doors, insisted on it really. Those only come with a soft top. They had 4 hard tops in the dealer's lot and I could have gotten a dual top as well ($1,600 or so option), but both come with full metal doors. Believe it or not, the half doors by themselves would have cost an additional $1,000 or so if I had gone with the dual top because I would have wanted 2 sets of doors.

The biggest plans right now are to address the total lack of cargo capacity and general lack of Bug-Out Kit. Smittybilt makes some nice seat covers with MOLLE webbing on them and a tow strap would be nice...

No worries on the whole new/used care thing. Different strokes and all that. 8)
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby meatshieldChris » Fri Jan 28, 2011 3:40 pm

I buy used as much as possible, but only because it's hard to buy a carbureted easy as a dream to work on 30 year old army car new now a days ;)

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby CaptainRW » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:20 pm

meatshieldChris wrote:I buy used as much as possible, but only because it's hard to buy a carbonated easy as a dream to work on 30 year old army car new now a days ;)

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Dogan » Fri Jan 28, 2011 4:53 pm

meatshieldChris wrote:I buy used as much as possible, but only because it's hard to buy a carbureted easy as a dream to work on 30 year old army car new now a days ;)

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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby Tperkins » Fri Jan 28, 2011 11:24 pm

Tater Raider wrote:
Tperkins wrote:Do you have any plans to convert to a hard top?

This will raise some eyebrows but no, I don't at this time. One of the things that made them import the truck from Wisconsin is that I wanted metal half doors, insisted on it really. Those only come with a soft top. They had 4 hard tops in the dealer's lot and I could have gotten a dual top as well ($1,600 or so option), but both come with full metal doors. Believe it or not, the half doors by themselves would have cost an additional $1,000 or so if I had gone with the dual top because I would have wanted 2 sets of doors.

The biggest plans right now are to address the total lack of cargo capacity and general lack of Bug-Out Kit. Smittybilt makes some nice seat covers with MOLLE webbing on them and a tow strap would be nice...

No worries on the whole new/used care thing. Different strokes and all that. 8)

Yeah, I've seen those MOLLE seat covers, they look interesting. I'm not sure how I'd actually like them on my truck, but it would provide nice storage space. If you end up buying them let me know how you like them. Buying one of those locking rear boxes for behind the passenger seats might me nice for organization and secure storage of vital BOB/BOV items. Even more so if you are running a soft top, as it would be much easier to access that area.

I dont know if you can run a soft top with a roof rack, or if that would even look good, but that would definetley be a good way to increase cargo capacity for the future. Even more so if you plan to carry 5 Gal water or fuel cans, as would often be recommended if possible, IMO.

Edit: If you need a recovery (snatch) strap, and dont mind dropping the money for a good one, I own (and highly recommend) an ARB snatch strap : http://arbusa.com/Products/Tow-Straps-A ... ps/52.aspx
One rated @ 17,500lbs should be fine for your Jeep, and you can probably find it for around $50-$60. Also, if you ever plan on buying a winch, you might want to look into one of their recovery bag sets that include everything, and you get a slight discount overall. I have good luck for 4wheelparts.com and autoanything.com for parts, the former more for off-road stuff, the latter more for accessories and parts.
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Re: An Evolving BOV Plan, with Depth

Postby meatshieldChris » Mon Feb 07, 2011 11:46 am

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meatshieldChris wrote:I buy used as much as possible, but only because it's hard to buy a carbureted easy as a dream to work on 30 year old army car new now a days ;)

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