Thinking about a deuce and a half

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Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Jamie » Sat Jun 06, 2009 6:28 am

Fort Drum in Watertown, NY has a bunch of deuce and a halves for sale, and I've been thinking about getting one. I was there to pick up some other surplus a while ago, and talked to the contractor working for the company in charge of the sales, and he said that while some of them were only parts in assembled form, others were in good shape and would start and run perfectly, and had been driven around the base since arriving.

I'm wondering if/where parts are available, and how long the engines/tires tend to last without overhaul or replacement...I would be using this vehicle primarily for hauling wood, ZSNY camping, BOV, to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and to hear the lamentation of their women...

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by herbalpagan » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:17 am

do a search on them NFA. It used to fairly easy to get parts for them. If I can ask, how much are the put together ones going for?
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Jamie » Sat Jun 06, 2009 7:22 am

herbalpagan wrote:do a search on them NFA. It used to fairly easy to get parts for them. If I can ask, how much are the put together ones going for?
Bidding starts at $150...I imagine they go for a couple of thousand...

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Subdiver » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:01 am

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by bonanacrom » Sat Jun 06, 2009 8:51 am

Parts aren't to hard to get at all. Even the tires are easy to get. I say go for it.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by tireiron » Tue Jun 09, 2009 7:24 am

I've talked to several folks recently who play with old deuce-and-a-halfs.

A good running truck fetches between 5 and 6 thousand in my neck of the woods, but those are in private sales.

Don't even bother asking about the fuel economy. Your top speed on the highway will be about 55mph.

They're nearly impossible to kill, and, as I recall, are virtually all equipped with a PTO. There's no better farm/work truck in my opinion.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by devitor » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:19 am

im up in drum for the next month for my pre-mob training, where exactly on post are these trucks located?

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Jamie » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:24 am

devitor wrote:im up in drum for the next month for my pre-mob training, where exactly on post are these trucks located?
I don't remember the address, I used my gps to get me there, but it's a huge fenced-in lot filled with crap the US doesn't want/need anymore...we got 10 of those medical chests as a group buy at a good price...

Here's the auction site page for NY: http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/e ... erPage=100" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Lenny » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:29 am

If Ft. Drum has a DRMO that'll be where you went to. From the sounds of what you described it is a DRMO lot.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Jamie » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:36 am

DRMO?

<very likely a dumb question>Is it possible to circumvent the auction process and just go in with cash in hand and buy the thing from the guy in charge of the lot?</very likely a dumb question>

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Lenny » Tue Jun 09, 2009 8:52 am

Sorry NFA, I forget about the use of acyronms.
Here is everything you need to know about DRMO.
http://www.drms.dla.mil/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ETA: I guess it is DRMS now.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by lailr » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:17 am

I thought that I heard that some Duece's were dual fuel? Is that true?

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by devitor » Tue Jun 09, 2009 10:32 pm

lailr wrote:I thought that I heard that some Duece's were dual fuel? Is that true?

the first duece i had assigned to me in the med section had a sticker on the dash that listed, if i remember correctly, at least 8 different fuels that it could run on...

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Post by OneManShow » Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:10 pm

devitor wrote:
lailr wrote:I thought that I heard that some Duece's were dual fuel? Is that true?

the first duece i had assigned to me in the med section had a sticker on the dash that listed, if i remember correctly, at least 8 different fuels that it could run on...
Jp-4, Jp-5, Jp-7, Jp-8(all jet fuel), Gas, Diesel(Regular and Bio), Kerosene, Avgas, and just about any thing eles that will catch a flame. All military turbo diesels are about the same. When I was in I drove a P-19, its a fire truck but same engine. We put about everything in that thing while in the Suk. Oh and if you want something really cool get a Bobbed Deuce.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Blasphemous » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:58 pm

Jamie, did you see my Deuce when I brought it to the ZCon last year? That'd have been a good time to check it out... if you'd have known :P
If you want my phone #, we can chat about them. I can pretty much tell you everything to look for and what kind of prices you should pay. To give you an estimate;
$1500 good running truck
$1000 if is has a winch
$500 for a heater
$500-$1000 troop bed w/ bows and stakes and complete bed cover and end flaps
$500 for a good hardtop
$500 for a turbo truck
That's assuming you're buying a surplus truck. It won't have a title, you'll have to get a SF-97 from GovLiq then you can go through getting a title. A titled truck from a private party is worth about $1500-$2000 more. I'm just using rough figures I've seen on the market so you can have an idea what the "averages" are. Another thing you want is the air shifted front axle. DO NOT get a truck if is has a sprag setup. You can tell if it has the air shift by looking at the dash. In the middle, on the bottom lip, there will be a small horizontal lever with a light above it.
Sometimes trucks slip through the GovLiq auctions. There's been trucks purchased by guys on SteelSoldiers for less than $1000 and $2000 that started up and were drove home. I bought my truck just north of Atlanta for $3k. It has a winch and did have a rough bed cover and bows and stakes. I put fuel in the truck, air in the tires and drove it from Atlanta to Louisville. The only problem I had was it threw the water pump belts.
As far as multi-fuel, every Deuce and a half with a LD-465 (non-turbo) or LDT-465 (turbo) can run on just about anything combustible. They have a thing called a FDC (fuel density compensator) that adjusts fuel pressure so you have the same power (in theory) no matter what fuel you run. What does change is your fuel economy though, it takes more of a less potent fuel to maintain the same power. When I drove out to ZCon last year, I was running 70%-80% filtered engine oil. I got about 8.5mpg, estimated.
On top speeds for the truck, 55mph is the mechanical limit for the truck. After that, you'll be turning too many rpm's for the engine for extended periods. Don't let anyone tell you these things are limited by power. My truck is non-turbo and I was still able to run 55mph through all but 2 of the hills in Tennessee. It does start off like a turd, but it'll maintain speed just fine. Now, if the truck has bigger tires (stockers are 900's), then your top speed will increase. It's overall limited by engine rpm.
As far as maintenance, they're just like a HUGE pickup. They're comparable to a 1-ton dually truck w/ a diesel engine. The only difference is that you have air on board. I'm in the middle of rebuilding the clutch system on my truck. Other than the parts being 3x as heavy and needing an engine hoist to put the flywheel in place, it's terribly easy to work on. Everything is over-sized (obviously) and made to be accessible.

I know I'm leaving a few things out. If you have any more questions, let me know.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Blasphemous » Wed Jun 10, 2009 12:59 pm

nfa wrote:DRMO?

<very likely a dumb question>Is it possible to circumvent the auction process and just go in with cash in hand and buy the thing from the guy in charge of the lot?</very likely a dumb question>

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by HHaase » Fri Jun 12, 2009 10:01 am

devitor wrote:im up in drum for the next month for my pre-mob training, where exactly on post are these trucks located?
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Gunwriter » Sat Jun 13, 2009 1:49 am

I bought a Deuce from GL and it kicks butt.
12,000 miles, rebuilt and in excellent shape for $1,800
I drove it from Missouri to Kansas with no problems.
Mine tops out at about 62 mph.

If I keep it at 50 mph and off the highway I average about 10 mpg.

I pretty much use mine as a daily driver.

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by cabbagerun » Sat Jun 13, 2009 2:10 am

When I drove out to ZCon last year, I was running 70%-80% filtered engine oil.


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Forgive me for my ignorance, I know nothing about these vehicles but what does that statement mean?

These run off any fuel source?

Does that include Alcohol, vegetable oil, diesel, bio-diesel, ect?

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Blasphemous » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:52 am

Pretty much any fuel source that's combustible at all, you can run it in the Deuce. Some are more harsh than others and may do damage to the fuel system though. Alcohol and I think JP-8 aren't so good for it. I run old engine oil and automatic transmission fluid in my truck. I filter it out and put it in fuel jugs. I have probably 55 gallons right now, I've been slacking on picking the stuff up since the Deuce has been down for repairs.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Lenny » Sat Jun 13, 2009 8:54 am

Gunwriter wrote:
If I keep it at 50 mph and off the highway I average about 10 mpg.

I pretty much use mine as a daily driver.
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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by devitor » Mon Jun 15, 2009 4:04 pm

HHaase wrote:
devitor wrote:im up in drum for the next month for my pre-mob training, where exactly on post are these trucks located?
69th on the way over again?

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nah, a detachment from my unit is heading over to Afghanistan for a 2nd tour. im the 204th Engineering Battalion HSC, the unit going is under our command and i volunteered to with them since they only had one medic.




i found the auction lot, btw. its about 1/4 mile from my barracks. most of the vehicles there look pretty tore up though...

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by ninja steve » Wed Jun 17, 2009 10:24 pm

nfa, have you bought one yet? And where is all you guy's pics of these glourious machines?!?

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Re: Thinking about a deuce and a half

Post by Blasphemous » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:46 am

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