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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:30 am

Wow. Useless? Useful? Who gives a fuck? Hat's off to you!
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Post by meatshieldChris » Thu Feb 12, 2009 9:00 am

re: black out lights, my iltis came from the army with it's blackout light system. it's small LEDs in the front and rear bumper, spaced such that when you're too far away, the lights look like a single dot, telling you to close up. when you're too close, the dots take a pattern. I think this is VERY good to have on a convoy where you need to be a little stealthy. It even had a shrouded light, fairly low powered, that shined in the forward wheel well a little bit forwards, on the drivers side. that let the driver see where the wheel was ending up for use in bad terrain. The LEDs arn't really visible beyond a certain range, and definitely invisible beyond the range at which you'd be able to locate the vehicle by sound.

I'd do that on a blackout system.

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Post by Regulator » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:02 am

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It’d have to be pretty serious rockets to get more power then the engine was putting out. I have been thinking about putting a pulsejet on a go-kart though. I don’t think you could get enough elevation for a parachute to deploy. You’d probably eject yourself up a serious case of roadrash.

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I do want to include a push bumper on this truck. In fact I’d like to have tubes from the front bumper back over the front wheel wells tying into the rocksliders then over the rear wheel wells and tying into the rear bumper. Kinda like a lower half exoskeleton. If you can visualize that. As far as the paint and lead, my thought was, it can’t hurt and it’s some pretty damn tough paint. Also, thanks for the lights link. Looks like some good info and I’m still exploring the site.

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The positive air is a good idea. Even if it were only good for CS and other airborne pollutants that might be likely in a disaster. I would just don the mask if I found myself in a true NBC environment. I actually have some ½ Kevlar board that was leftover from lining the walls of a local courthouse that will stop handgun bullets. I’ve thought about using it somehow.

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Post by AmirMortal » Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:30 am

Regulator wrote:I actually have some ½ Kevlar board


We all know that in Hollywood car doors a viable as shields, why not make that true for your vehicle, at least for the driver's side. :P

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Post by GOVT1911 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:59 am

I'd use the kevlar boards in the seatbacks and do what you can on the firewall. I have a couple old Level IIA vests installed in the back of both seats of my Jeep, just because I had'em sitting around and what can it hurt?? 8)

The diesel smoke generator should do a pretty good job of coating someone chasing you's windshield. You could also get one of the old fire extinguishers that have a schrader valve (tire valve) to pressurize it, fill it with diesel or old motor oil and have the hose/nozzle aimed out under your rear bumper kinda facing up. You could probabally use a bug sprayer too, but the extinguisher would work much better. That'd do a pretty good job of coating a windshield where the wipers wouldn't do any good.

I read a couple years ago about a company in South Africa that was installing propane "flame throwers" that shot flames out under the driver and passenger doors to take care of carjackers. Guess that's a pretty big problem there LOL!

Thinking about it a little more, you could put a dump valve in the bottom of a metal 5 gallon jerry can full of old motor oil and have it sitting in a rack on the back of your rig. pressurize the can with maybe 10-20 PSI of air and either electrically (servo)or mechanically (cable) openthe dump valve on the bottom and SPLAT, oil on the road. Hey, you could weld up your own rear bumper out of either pipe or square tubing and do the same thing, but it'd be more concealed. Probabally fit more oil into a 2x6" rectangular steel bumper anyway!

I'm digging the party bus too!!!
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Post by GOVT1911 » Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:59 am

I'd use the kevlar boards in the seatbacks and do what you can on the firewall. I have a couple old Level IIA vests installed in the back of both seats of my Jeep, just because I had'em sitting around and what can it hurt?? 8)

The diesel smoke generator should do a pretty good job of coating someone chasing you's windshield. You could also get one of the old fire extinguishers that have a schrader valve (tire valve) to pressurize it, fill it with diesel or old motor oil and have the hose/nozzle aimed out under your rear bumper kinda facing up. You could probabally use a bug sprayer too, but the extinguisher would work much better. That'd do a pretty good job of coating a windshield where the wipers wouldn't do any good.

I read a couple years ago about a company in South Africa that was installing propane "flame throwers" that shot flames out under the driver and passenger doors to take care of carjackers. Guess that's a pretty big problem there LOL!

Thinking about it a little more, you could put a dump valve in the bottom of a metal 5 gallon jerry can full of old motor oil and have it sitting in a rack on the back of your rig. pressurize the can with maybe 10-20 PSI of air and either electrically (servo)or mechanically (cable) openthe dump valve on the bottom and SPLAT, oil on the road. Hey, you could weld up your own rear bumper out of either pipe or square tubing and do the same thing, but it'd be more concealed. Probabally fit more oil into a 2x6" rectangular steel bumper anyway!

I'm digging the party bus too!!!
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Post by cssims » Sun Feb 15, 2009 7:22 am

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Post by ninja steve » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:14 am

What about a snow plow on the front?

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Post by GeneralDiscontent » Thu Feb 19, 2009 1:38 am

JohnnyMayhem wrote:
How would you do oil slicks?
Well, I would assume that it would be more or less a water proofed version of your caltrop drop box. Hell it could be disguised as an extra jerry can on the back of your rig.

I'm not quite sure on how to get it to work though.
GOVT1911 wrote: you could put a dump valve in the bottom of a metal 5 gallon jerry can full of old motor oil and have it sitting in a rack on the back of your rig. pressurize the can with maybe 10-20 PSI of air and either electrically (servo)or mechanically (cable) openthe dump valve on the bottom and SPLAT, oil on the road. Hey, you could weld up your own rear bumper out of either pipe or square tubing and do the same thing, but it'd be more concealed. Probabally fit more oil into a 2x6" rectangular steel bumper anyway!
I think you guys are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Reservoir + aquarium pump = oil slick. :lol:

You can also buy complete aftermarket 12v windshield washer kits, complete w/ reservoir, tubing, nozzles, pump & switch (I used to get them to replace the screwy pressurized-from-the-spare-tire systems on older Volkswagens). I would guess you could just buy one of those and use it as-is...
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Post by meatshieldChris » Thu Feb 19, 2009 10:58 am

GeneralDiscontent wrote:
JohnnyMayhem wrote:
How would you do oil slicks?
Well, I would assume that it would be more or less a water proofed version of your caltrop drop box. Hell it could be disguised as an extra jerry can on the back of your rig.

I'm not quite sure on how to get it to work though.
GOVT1911 wrote: you could put a dump valve in the bottom of a metal 5 gallon jerry can full of old motor oil and have it sitting in a rack on the back of your rig. pressurize the can with maybe 10-20 PSI of air and either electrically (servo)or mechanically (cable) openthe dump valve on the bottom and SPLAT, oil on the road. Hey, you could weld up your own rear bumper out of either pipe or square tubing and do the same thing, but it'd be more concealed. Probabally fit more oil into a 2x6" rectangular steel bumper anyway!
I think you guys are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Reservoir + aquarium pump = oil slick. :lol:

You can also buy complete aftermarket 12v windshield washer kits, complete w/ reservoir, tubing, nozzles, pump & switch (I used to get them to replace the screwy pressurized-from-the-spare-tire systems on older Volkswagens). I would guess you could just buy one of those and use it as-is...

would that dump enough oil in a short enough period of time to make a decent puddle? and has anyone ever tested the traction of a car with oil on pavement? they used to use straight oil on the dirt and gravel roads here, it was never detrimental to traction that I could notice when you'd drive on the road just after it was done being oiled then you hit pavement. I'd imagine the tires would clear fairly quickly, most tires are designed to squish liquids out of the way

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Post by WhyNotFab » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:07 pm

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Post by man in black » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:40 pm

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Post by Deadbox » Tue Feb 24, 2009 10:06 pm

The oil slick idea could be hard to do but to have the oil spray up on the windsheild of the chase car would be more of a deterrent.

Think about it, whats the first thing you do when liquid hits your windsheild? Exactly the same as anyone else. Hit the wipers.

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Post by madwolf » Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:47 am

OMFG!! :shock: :shock: :shock:

When I saw the first post I thought you were so full o' shit it's not even funny. Kinda like that kid with the extended mags with "melded" springs a while back, but, I must say it:

You, sir, are the man!

You have taken every crazy A-Team inspired fantasy for vehicle mods and made them real.

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Post by concept2w » Sat Feb 28, 2009 11:53 am

meatshieldChris wrote:
GeneralDiscontent wrote:
JohnnyMayhem wrote:
How would you do oil slicks?
Well, I would assume that it would be more or less a water proofed version of your caltrop drop box. Hell it could be disguised as an extra jerry can on the back of your rig.

I'm not quite sure on how to get it to work though.
GOVT1911 wrote: you could put a dump valve in the bottom of a metal 5 gallon jerry can full of old motor oil and have it sitting in a rack on the back of your rig. pressurize the can with maybe 10-20 PSI of air and either electrically (servo)or mechanically (cable) openthe dump valve on the bottom and SPLAT, oil on the road. Hey, you could weld up your own rear bumper out of either pipe or square tubing and do the same thing, but it'd be more concealed. Probabally fit more oil into a 2x6" rectangular steel bumper anyway!
I think you guys are making it more complicated than it needs to be. Reservoir + aquarium pump = oil slick. :lol:

You can also buy complete aftermarket 12v windshield washer kits, complete w/ reservoir, tubing, nozzles, pump & switch (I used to get them to replace the screwy pressurized-from-the-spare-tire systems on older Volkswagens). I would guess you could just buy one of those and use it as-is...

would that dump enough oil in a short enough period of time to make a decent puddle? and has anyone ever tested the traction of a car with oil on pavement? they used to use straight oil on the dirt and gravel roads here, it was never detrimental to traction that I could notice when you'd drive on the road just after it was done being oiled then you hit pavement. I'd imagine the tires would clear fairly quickly, most tires are designed to squish liquids out of the way
Squishing out oil out of the way. eh!

Are you aware the amount of oil needed to make a surface slippery, just dump a liter of oil in a curve and see it spreaded in tire track fashion. soon after you'll see drifting cars.

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Post by Mr.Pliskin » Sat Feb 28, 2009 12:36 pm

I once saw a TV show with the smoke screen, only they used radiator fluid instead of oil. Another thing on that show was a theft deterrent, they wired under the door handle to a (regulator?) that upped the amperage from the battery to 100,000. So when the car alarm was on, and you tried to open the door… ZAP.


Just don’t forget to un-arm the car.

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Post by Regulator » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:23 pm

Thanks guys. I’m glad you’re diggin my projects. I had actually hoped to be workin on my newest truck a bit today but we got snow last night and it’s about 17 degrees outside so I think I’ll stay indoors.

You all are definitely coming up with some good ideas. I think for the oil, it wouldn’t be to hard to set it up dual purpose. Ie: valve one way to spray the road or the other way to spray high for windshields. You could use the same air source and reservoir. We have an old abandon paved road we could test the slickness on. It’s nothing we have ever actually tried either.

I have a Model A or T coil and would like to find a reason to hook it up to the truck, lol. I never have before just for liability. Hate to have some old woman bump the truck and get zapped or something. But in the PAW it would be useful.

So I appreciate your ideas, I’m going to be building some of this stuff and will keep you informed of the progress. In the mean time I’m thinking about things like this,

Front bumper mounted wire/cable cutters. Something that would allow you to drive thru these things. Kinda like the old military Jeeps.

Anyone know how people used to get the old hot-rods to shoot fire out of the tailpipes? I know they wired in sparkplugs, just not sure how.

And a HUD (heads up display) system. Any illuminated reverse image on the top of the dash would reflect correctly into the windshield. I think that would be pretty damn cool, even if the windows would likely be broken quickly in a SHTF scenario

Anyway, this is what happens when you have to much time on your hands, lol. Makes me wanna go play trucks.

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Post by JohnnyMayhem » Sat Feb 28, 2009 1:46 pm

Regulator wrote:
Anyone know how people used to get the old hot-rods to shoot fire out of the tailpipes? I know they wired in sparkplugs, just not sure how.

And a HUD (heads up display) system. Any illuminated reverse image on the top of the dash would reflect correctly into the windshield. I think that would be pretty damn cool, even if the windows would likely be broken quickly in a SHTF scenario

That's basicly what they did with the whole tailpipe throwers. They just threw in an extra sparkplug, and either had an extra wire tied into the current coil, or to the distribuiter. Or they would just run an extra wire from the battery to a switch then a coil, to the back of the tailpipe. (I remember that there was a company that sold kits for a while to do that.

As for the hud, I'm not quite sure, but a friend of mine had used some mini servalance cameras tied into the back of his hearse so he could see all the blind spots when backing up. (and he would parrallel park that sucker in downtown Denver without a problem)
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Post by GeneralDiscontent » Sat Feb 28, 2009 3:25 pm

JohnnyMayhem wrote:
Regulator wrote:
Anyone know how people used to get the old hot-rods to shoot fire out of the tailpipes? I know they wired in sparkplugs, just not sure how.

That's basicly what they did with the whole tailpipe throwers. They just threw in an extra sparkplug, and either had an extra wire tied into the current coil, or to the distribuiter. Or they would just run an extra wire from the battery to a switch then a coil, to the back of the tailpipe. (I remember that there was a company that sold kits for a while to do that.
They still sell kits - just google "exhaust flame thrower" and you'll get several companies that sell them. JohnnyMayhem is right, usually just a plug & a coil, although the car must have a carburetor & can't have a catalytic converter. If you want exhaust flamethrowers on a newer car w/ EFI, etc., you have to get a kit with an electronic control box.
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Post by Medic Nemec » Sun Mar 29, 2009 10:08 pm

If you're looking for a way to allow a passenger to use a mounted weapon they have one on the "Special Forces" version of the HMMWV. It's an arm-mounted pintle mount that swings in and out and can mount an LMG on it. Probably anything that will fit on the mount really. Really good view in this pic (thanks google) and the long arm w/bend is so the passenger can fire it while driving. Never seen it up close so I don't know how stable it is when moving though.

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Post by WES » Wed Apr 08, 2009 12:49 am

GOVT1911 wrote: I read a couple years ago about a company in South Africa that was installing propane "flame throwers" that shot flames out under the driver and passenger doors to take care of carjackers. Guess that's a pretty big problem there LOL!
Uh, actually, they do... I've heard attacks on whites in south africa are pretty common... doesn't get a lot of media attention. people park their car in the garage, get out, and someone drops out of the rafters and cuts their throat. Payback's a bitch. They have all kinds of crazy security systems over there for things like this.


I've actually been hit by someone with a smokescreen... guy cut us off on the freeway in Los Angeles, then we passed him and my friend flipped him off... the guy came flying past us, and then boom... huge clouds of yellow brown smoke.

Not only couldn't we see, but it coated the windshield with greasy oily gunk... turning on the windshield wipers only made it worse, just smeared it around. We had to get off the freeway and find a gas station. Took us over 20 minutes to clean the windshield.

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Post by Risto » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:29 am

Some nice mods you have there.

Few things though: The mylar blankets inside the vehicle are useless. Space blanket hides ir signature because it's metal coating reflects back the ir radiation. Car's metal body panels will reflect IR radiation as well as, or even better than a space blanket. Also glass is opaque to infrared radiation.
Few strategically placed ir reflectors outside the car could be useful. Like someone said before, the entire undeside of the car "glows" infrared. see: http://image.caraudiomag.com/f/10873296 ... r_view.jpg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Tires and brakes will also glow after use.

Also i don't think lead based paints are particularly effective radar absorbers. At least i have never heard about them being used for that. They are also a serious health hazard.

I saw somewhere an intresting method to create homemade RAM coating by shredding old magnetic tapes (VHS, C-casette etc.), and mixing them with paint or some other binder material like epoxy. Theoretically it could work.

Also finely ground graphite from for example a pencil mixed with a binder might be effective.

An easy way to test how effectively a material absorbs radar is to put it in the microwave oven and see how fast it heats up. (not kidding)

But keeping in the real world, an average car contains so many effective radar reflectors that even if you painted your car with mil-pec radar absorbent paint, the radar cross section of your car would still be huge.

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Post by Oneswunk » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:08 am

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Post by Czechnology » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:49 am

MacAttack wrote:How about a JTOW pack for a little get away speed?
Took me like a month to figure out you meant "JATO". (Jet Assisted Take-Off) :lol:

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