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Tater Raider wrote:One thing I haven't seen mentioned, pickups are very light in the back end which affects handling. Not a big deal unless you get a lot of rain, snow, and/or ice. At that point IMO you need to justify the pickup.
Action.Jackson wrote:Really good points. The more I think about it the more I think an suv is better. I think I really need to get in one. Tuesday I'm going to test drive a couple and also probably drive a couple compact pickups. My old truck was a Chevy k1500 and I didn't really like how big it was and terrible on fuel.
I hadn't really thought about having a trailer. I am the only person I know with a truck so I ended up using my old truck pretty often to help my friends out. I think with a trailer I could still do that.
skruface wrote:Trucks, particularly the 4 door versions, have plenty of advantages over most SUV's. I've owned both - I currently have a 2011 Ram 1500 Crew Cab after owning a Ford Escape, Volvo V70, Ford Explorer and Jeep Cherokee. My dad has driven nothing but Ram 1500's since 1998 - he trades in about every 4 years, and has never had anything break. All he's done is the factory recommended service at the dealership, and addressed all recalls (there have only been a few) immediately.
- Trucks are generally constructed body-on-frame, which is superior for strength and off-road performance than most new SUV's with unit-body construction. The suspension is generally a little more robust, as are steering and linkages like ball joints, etc. If you plan for suspension upgrades, this point is moot; if you plan on leaving it alone, a pickup suspension will likely outlast an SUV suspension.
- Most SUV are AWD, which doesn't provide the same traction or capability as a true 4wd transfercase with 4 low, not to mention locking differentials.
- Those that do have true 4wd (FJ, Grand Cherokee, Pathfinder, 'Burban, XTerra, 4Runner) tend to be pretty expensive, and their gas mileage is really not that much better than a modern pickup. Most modern pickups run 6 speed transmisions (although the new '13 Ram 1500 has an 8 speed auto) and get very decent mileage if you can keep your foot out of it. From Autotrader.com:
2012 Ram 1500 CC 4X4 6spd AT 4.7 v8 - 14 cty/19 hwy <--also has the best powertrain warranty @ 60 months/100,000 miles vs 60 months/60,000 miles for all others
2012 Xterra "X" 4wd 5spd AT 4.0 v6 - 15 cty/20 hwy
2012 Tacome double cab 4wd 5spd AT 4.0 v6 - 15 cty/21 hwy
2012 FJ 4dr 4wd 5spd AT 40. v6 - 17 cty/20 hwy
- Towing capacity - Most SUV's and crossovers are in the 2500-5000 lb range, unless you get a super large one like a 'Burban. Most basic trucks start around 5000 lbs and go up from there.
- A 4-door truck with a cap can haul more than an SUV, and with a good buddy you can have that cap off in about half an hour if you need to transport something exceptionally large, like a couch of fridge. Try and fit a 21 cubic foot fridge inside a crossover...
- Ground clearance. SUV's (except the true 4wd ones) generally don't have as much ground clearance, and generally don't have the same aftermarket support for suspension systems and oversized tires.
- Insurance is cheaper on pickups than SUV's.
- Parts will generally be cheaper on a domestic pickup than an SUV, esp. an import. My Volvo was pretty reliable, but when something broke down, it was never ever less than $1000 at the mechanic.
Ultimately, your choice will reflect your needs. We are a 1-vehicle family, so I need something that can do everything. What I pay extra for gas I make up in paying only 1 set of insurance, half the repairs, etc.
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jamoni wrote:As someone who is always looking for a deal, I really liked having a truck. You could be cruising down the road, and there's some guy selling a motorcycle, generator, or other equipment, or maybe it's a college that's throwing out an entire building full of furniture. I've picked stuff like that and flipped it on craigslist for decent $$$$. Sure, a trailer can haul the same amount, but only if you have it with you.
If that isn't your style, I guess it doesn't apply.
CURLEY.FX4 wrote:SUVs aren't made to do the job of trucks. Trucks are generally more robust in design with the mindset of a little off pavement/ work abuse. Modern SUVs are far from the original idea of setting a full length body on the trucks frame that manufacturer uses.
A 2000 f150 and Expedition are basically the exact vehicle from a mechanical standpoint. Today's F150 and Expedition couldn't even be cousins. The expedition has gone away with solid axels and has very minimal ground clearance. Combined with 4 wheel independent suspension and AWD (eeek); which on pavement is a very effective combination; on trail, it'll have you winching faster than you can say Henry Ford.
If its going to be viewed as a BOV , truck every time...
Grey Mann wrote:Why has no one suggested a truck with a shell on the bed yet? You get everything you get with an SUV that way, minus seating, with the option of the entirety of a truck's capability.
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