Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

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Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby ista_hota » Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:44 pm

So you found the First Aid forum huh? First thing's first - you have a handful of bandaids and a tube of neosporin in a ziplock baggie - and you've come to realize that you're gonna need a bigger boat. You've perused some of the threads looking for what other people are carrying and you've gotten the bug - so off you go to the website of your choice and you start looking at kits...

POINT 1: KITS, MODULES AND CUSTOMIZED SERVICE:

So here's our first point, and the central point of this post: Anything with "kit" in the product description is probably (almost invariably) going to fall into one or more (sometimes all) of the following categories:

a) It's grossly overpriced for what is actually inside, and you're paying for labor and convenience;
b) It's padded out with a lot of items that are unnescessary and/or don't fit the purpose of the kit;
c) It's lacking one or two core items that the company tells you to "just add";

Now, very occasionally you WILL find a pretty well thought out kit that is carefully designed - Adventure Medical Kits and Rescue Essentials both have some like this - but you must STILL remember that you are paying extra money and also sacrificing extra space/weight for the sake of convenience. My general advice to anyone wanting to start a medical bag is: roll your own.


The cousin of the "kit" is the "module". A module, in the medical supply sales sense, is a group of items that have been selected and packaged together to perform a specific job - as opposed to a kit which is more of a catch-all. Excellent examples of what I'm talking about can be found at Chinook Medical - you'll notice that all of this stuff is geared towards a specific task, there's burn modules, airway modules, foot care modules etc. So how do these weigh up?

The answer, truthfully, is - not great. Whilst buying a selection of "modules" will generally get you a more streamlined and advanced set of gear over buy a "kit", you will notice three things when all done:

a) You will have spent a LOT of money on convenience and organization - modules, even more so than "first aid kits" tend to have a very, very large markup over materials cost;
b) You will have quite a lot of overlaps and multiples - especially on PPE and instruments;
c) As a beginner, you'll probably end up with a good portion of gear that you don't know how to use - especially with airway modules;

Now one glaring advantage that "modules" do have is that having a selection of them does give you instant and extensive organization - this can be a good thing of course (especially if your bag/container doesn't feature much in organizational options), but over time as your kit grows and you go through different bags and carry systems you'll want to organize things differently, to suit yourself. For this reason I generally don't suggest buying your whole kit modular - but I freely admit that I do run a few modules because they ARE convenient. My general rule is; if the items in the module would be packed up together in a ziplock on my end anyway AND it is nonemergency AND the price difference between the module and the items in the module is worth equal to or less than 15 minutes of my time, I will buy the module. For me this means dental, foot care and booboo kit are modules.


Finally in this section we have the evil cousin of the family... the "customized for you" kit. Many (most?) online rescue/tactical medicine equipment providers offer this service - they'll put a kit together tailored to your own needs. Okay - people - this is like paying someone to change your oil, if you just can't be bothered to get underneath your truck for 10 minutes with a simple tool then by all means, pay someone else to do it - but do not think that they're doing it for free because they're not. Just stay away from this kind of service unless someone else is paying or money doesn't mean anything to you - but for 95+% of users this is a bad idea.


POINT 2: SO WHAT DO I GET THEN?

Well, first thing is first - to quote Doc Simon in his sticky;

If your first aid kit doesn't have the following items dont even bother asking for suggestions!
That's right, if you dont have this stuff all you are going to get in reply are the things on this list. (This is a bare minimum, more is recomended)

2 Rolls of Kerlix or similar Gauze
2 Ace Wraps
1 roll of one inch tape
1 roll of 3 inch tape/duct tape


This is very, very solid advice.

If you can't stop bleeding, then there's no point in having anything else. Little timmy doesn't give a fuck about having his blister taken care of if he's bleeding to death. The number one problem I see with most prepackaged "kits" is that they do not have NEAR enough supplies for massive trauma - most of them are 80% booboo and snivel gear and 20% lifesaving gear, even in kits purchased on "tactical medicine" sites.

The rule of thumb is; start big and work down, and I have a special system of wound assesment that I have designed for newcomers to simplify patient assement; I like to call it the "Ista Scale". (LOL GET IT? BECAUSE IN LAKOTA "ISTA" IS PRONOUNCED "ISHTA" WHICH SOUNDS LIKE "RICHTER" AS IN "RICHTER SCALE"?? HAHA LOL NOBODY GETS IT BECAUSE ONLY LIKE TWELVE PEOPLE IN THE WORLD STILL SPEAK LAKOTA LOL I'M HILAROUS! WHATEVER MAN...)

The Ista Scale goes like this:

IL4: FUCK! - Massive trauma, RTA/GSW/Etc, airway management
IL3: ARGH! - Serious bleeds, serious burns, fractures
IL2: SHIT! - Deeper cuts, small burns, sprains
IL1: OW! - Minor scrapes, blisters, foreign bodies

This is, of course, a little tongue in cheek - but it serves to illustrate my point, which is: when you're buying stuff for your new kit - think about the worst case scenario that you a) are likely to encounter and b) have the skills to treat, get that stuff purchased/in your shopping cart, and then work down. If the first thing in your basket is a package of knuckle bandages then you're doing it wrong - think of outfitting a medical kit just like any other project, you have to have a system in mind with which to approach the project or you're going to get lost, forget stuff and probably overspend too. Be organized, have a plan of attack and STICK TO IT - if you see something that you want or think "hey that might be useful" then think about where it fits in, if it's nescessary and where you're going to keep it.


Second rule of thumb (arguably the first but if you don't have supplies then it don't really matter): If you can't help yourself then you can't help anyone.

This is where your personal protection gear fits it - both medical, like gloves, eye shields etc. and - environmental. How many of you have trauma kits in your car in case of an RTA? Okay, and how many have a high vis orange vest, road flares and safety triangles in there too? How many of you have active shooter response kits? And how many of those people have a concealed carry permit? It's very, very important when you're putting a response kit together to think about the intended theater it'll be used in and how you can prevent YOURSELF from becoming a casualty while you're trying to help someone else - not only because you should be concerned with your own safety but also because if you're dumb about it you can easily turn one patient into two for those responding after you.

And so, I'm going to paraphrase Doc Simon's above post and make my own to fit this;

If your first aid kit doesn't have the following items, stop and ask yourself wtf you are doing!

2 Pairs of exam gloves
1 Pair eye protection
1 N95 or procedure mask
1 Blaze orange vest



Third rule of thumb: if you can't find it, you can't treat it:

If your first aid kit doesn't have the following items, stop and ask yourself wtf you are doing!

1 Portable light source, preferably hands free
1 Clothing cutting tool - EMT shears, Benchmade style "hook" etc.
1 Bottle irrigation/washing fluid


So what does all this mean? Simply put - it means that the foundation of a solid medical kit shouldn't even look that medical, the foundation of a good medical kit is personal protection, patient access and massive trauma treatment. Even more simplified, to really drum this in, the whole of this section can be summed up thus:

YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO SAFELY AND QUICKLY TREAT LIFE THREATENING WOUNDS.

AFTER that, you can start picking up other stuff to make your bag start looking more comprehensive. Nobody gives a shit if you have a pulse oximeter if you don't have a tourniquet.



POINT 3: SO HOW DO I SHOP THEN? LIKE WALK ME THOUGH THIS...

The first things in your shopping basket, without any deviation whatsoever, should be:

1 Portable light source, preferably hands free
1 Clothing cutting tool - EMT shears, Benchmade style "hook" etc.
1 Bottle irrigation/washing fluid
2 Pairs of exam gloves
1 Pair eye protection
1 N95 or procedure mask
1 Blaze orange vest
2 Rolls of Kerlix or similar Gauze
2 Ace Wraps
1 roll of one inch tape
1 roll of 3 inch tape/duct tape



After that, you're looking to treat severe blood loss:

1 Tourniquet
2 Emergency Trauma Dressings (Izzy/NARP/OLAES/Whatever, don't matter)
Moar Gauze! H&H/Kerlix etc
1 Hemostatic gauze product - QuikClot Combat Gauze, CELOX Trauma Gauze etc.



At the same time, you need to help people breathe:

1 Set NPAs and don't forget the lube
1 Chest Seal or ability to improvise one
1 Suction device (cut down turkey baster or syringe works)
1 Pair Magill Forceps



Then, and only then, you can start thinking about the following two questions:
1) What can I add to that to further expand those capabilities within my scope of practice?

2) What else do I want to be able to treat, in what order of importance?


POINT ER... WHATEVER I LOST COUNT:

Okay so now you're on your way to having your very own medical kit and/or extremely expensive hobby/moneysink - now I'll merely impart a few tips and wisdoms, and wish you luck from there on out.

1) Do not buy a bag and then try to fill it. Buy your kit and then buy a bag to suit it. You don't want to have a bunch of shit you don't need just to make the bag look good in the hot or not thread.

2) Keep it organized - you want to make sure that if/when you need that bag for a real situation you know where everything is and how to get it quickly. Keep your cutting and lighting tools on the top/outside.

3) If it's "tactical" it's probably overpriced. You'll find you can save a LOT of money by getting non "combat" based products from actual medical supply companies and/or pharmacy departments rather than just buying everything including 4x4s from a tactical/rescue medicine site.

4) eBay is your friend. Obviously exercise some caution and buyer beware of things like expiration dates and OEM manufacture but you can and will save a LOT of money by carefully watching eBay, especially for things like bags, instruments and HemCon bandages.

5) If you don't understand how to do something, there's very little point in having the gear to do it unless you're likely to be trained on it soon (or you know/live near/shoot/camp with someone who can but doesn't prep). Don't waste money, space and weight on things that you just think will look cool on the forums. Someone who shoots his Mosin Nagant every day will beat someone who has a KRISS Super V they've never taken out of the safe.

6) Don't be cocky around here. A lot of people on this First Aid forum are seriously squared away and have a lot of knowledge to share - we also tend to be one of the most low bullshit tolerance forums on ZS and if you act like a prick and/or pretend you're something you're not then we will get pretty militant. If you have questions then ASK, read the stickies, lurk for a while so you can tell who the respected posters are and then jump in.

7) If you don't have at least basic Red Cross first aid training then you are in the wrong place, you should be in class. Furthermore, as an ancillary to poing 5) if you are carrying shit that you think is cool and are "pretty confident I know how to use" then you are doing it wrong. If you want to be carrying something advanced that bad then you should want to learn how to use it safely too - poorly trained/educated people can and do make situations WORSE sometimes, no matter how hard they're trying to help.

8 ) A combination of 6) and 7) is: if someone who knows more than you does gets on scene (or in forum) then have the sense and respect to stand down and play second fiddle. Medicine isn't about dick sizing (or shouldn't be) - you might be feeling like the highest speed, lowest drag motherfucker on the planet when you're crouching over that patient with your STOMP bag and everyone is looking at you like you're superman but remember, it's time to stand down and be humble when someone better trained comes along, even if it's a 60 year old female nurse - stand aside, offer her your kit and assistance and don't get in her way. If you're in this field for glory, you're in the wrong field.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Lugnut » Sun Sep 19, 2010 6:58 pm

Nice write up!
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby epirider » Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:11 am

Dude that was awesome. Well said.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby VXMerlinXV » Wed Sep 22, 2010 2:28 pm

Quick point of info. I've worn out a few rescue hooks, and countless pairs of shears, and can say definitly that they are not interchangable items. The hook is GREAT, and works in a lot of situations, but comes up short in a few situations, and against a few types of material. If I could only carry one or the other it would be shears, with a rescue 5 or rescue 7 added down the line.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby David.L » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:12 pm

Nice post! I've learned a lot recently, but I'm still short on training, and reading your post drove that in.
How much training should I have before I even think about putting an NPA in my first aid kit? I got some NPAs yesterday, and I inserted one into my nose... weirdest thing I've ever felt, ugh. I've read a lot about NPAs and watched videos... is this really enough training and knowledge to put it in my FAK? I'm sticking with trauma until I'm really sure.

Thanks for the post, I'll probably end up getting that tiny petzl headlamp, I needed an excuse to get one anyway :)
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby weatherdude » Thu Sep 23, 2010 4:51 pm

GREAT POST!
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby AZMedic » Thu Sep 23, 2010 6:15 pm

ista_hota
6) Don't be cocky around here.


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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Necrodamus » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:21 pm

Wow you make some of us sound like idiots (if idiots would be the correct word for the untrained then that would be me)

I think Im going to report this post!


Calm down, great read! I am reporting this post simply because I was looking for info in Hall of Fame and noticed we dont have one for FAKs... I think this would be a good start along with some links to other FAK threads!

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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby ista_hota » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:49 pm

Thanks guys, always really good to get positive feedback - and criticism too!
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby AnotherVersion » Thu Sep 23, 2010 7:59 pm

QFT on the cocky thing... which is some advice I need to take more often, I suppose. :oops:

Anyway, why the big push for Kerlix, Hemostatic agents, and israeli bandages? some 6" kling and 4x4s/5x9s will manage most everything... granted the israeli is great for pressure, the kerlix could double as a nice fluffy pillow, and the hemostatic agents are just downright cool I'm not entirely impressed, and prefer trying the basics first.

Which is one of my finer points, as far as my 2 cents goes... simple, basic solutions should be learned first before moving into the realm of fancy adjuncts. Sure, hemostatic agents are great, but learning how they work, and trying other things beforehand are more useful than just cracking open a bunch of quickclots.

Oh, and why the big push for NPAs? They have contraindications just like everything else. I'd hate to have somebody place an NPA on somebody who has a basilar skull fracture. Not pretty.

So, to contribute to the post, here's how I order my own personal stuff (thread to follow once I'm organized)
Airway management and breathing adjuncts, like OPAs and NPAs, King LT/Combitube, BVM, etc. and circulatory maintenance, like fluid expansion (IV stuff), bandages and the like. Most of the time, I stay well within the realm of BLS (Pennsylvania is strict about me not operating as a Paramedic if I'm not on an ambulance) but there are times when injuries would be better served if I were prepared with some basic stuff. After that it's all ortho stuff like little splints and some ace bandages, and OTC meds.

Ultimately, it boils down to training. Knowing what to manage, and how to manage it will go miles further than even a whole hospital full of supplies.

Does Red Cross even offer advanced first aid anymore? I thought that went away in the '90s.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby WhoShotJR » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:05 pm

AnotherVersion wrote:QFT on the cocky thing... which is some advice I need to take more often, I suppose. :oops:

Anyway, why the big push for Kerlix, Hemostatic agents, and israeli bandages? some 6" kling and 4x4s/5x9s will manage most everything... granted the israeli is great for pressure, the kerlix could double as a nice fluffy pillow, and the hemostatic agents are just downright cool I'm not entirely impressed, and prefer trying the basics first.

Which is one of my finer points, as far as my 2 cents goes... simple, basic solutions should be learned first before moving into the realm of fancy adjuncts. Sure, hemostatic agents are great, but learning how they work, and trying other things beforehand are more useful than just cracking open a bunch of quickclots.

Oh, and why the big push for NPAs? They have contraindications just like everything else. I'd hate to have somebody place an NPA on somebody who has a basilar skull fracture. Not pretty.

So, to contribute to the post, here's how I order my own personal stuff (thread to follow once I'm organized)
Airway management and breathing adjuncts, like OPAs and NPAs, King LT/Combitube, BVM, etc. and circulatory maintenance, like fluid expansion (IV stuff), bandages and the like. Most of the time, I stay well within the realm of BLS (Pennsylvania is strict about me not operating as a Paramedic if I'm not on an ambulance) but there are times when injuries would be better served if I were prepared with some basic stuff. After that it's all ortho stuff like little splints and some ace bandages, and OTC meds.

Ultimately, it boils down to training. Knowing what to manage, and how to manage it will go miles further than even a whole hospital full of supplies.

Does Red Cross even offer advanced first aid anymore? I thought that went away in the '90s.




I think ista meant this post to be more for beginners, like me. I'm actually building a kit based on his recommendations now. Your first items for airways are way more advanced I think. I fully agree that I need more FA training, but starting with NPA's is not what I have in mind.

Ista-hosta, thanks for this thread BTW.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby painiac » Thu Sep 23, 2010 9:20 pm

ista_hota wrote:...


Superb writeup. This needs to be a sticky.

WhoShotJR wrote:I think ista meant this post to be more for beginners, like me. I'm actually building a kit based on his recommendations now. Your first items for airways are way more advanced I think. I fully agree that I need more FA training, but starting with NPA's is not what I have in mind.


They ARE beyond the capabilities of a layperson to use responsibly, which is where training comes in. The airway receives such prominence in AnotherVersion's post because it really is the first priority (after seeing to your own safety, of course). If a patient's airway is compromised, they won't survive long enough for the cut on their arm to heal.

You are absolutely right not to want to dive in beyond your training, and I don't want to sound like I'm trying to dissuade you from that. Don't take any of this as an attack, I'm agreeing with you and expanding upon your point and points that were made by others. You don't need a handful of NPAs as much as you need to get the training to know how to take steps towards securing an airway with a head tilt/chin lift (or a jaw thrust if c-spine compromise is a possibility!), just as you would be better served to know how to hold the c-spine in alignment with just your hands before you go out and buy a cervical collar. As the first person on the scene, one can accomplish a lot with proper training and improvisation, but can accomplish nothing or make things worse with lots of high-dollar gear and no idea how to use it (and more importantly, when it should NOT be used).
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Gun_Nut_2k1 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 10:11 pm

Sir I am a total novice outside a CPR course 20 years or so ago. this write up is exactly what I need to start off correctly. Thanks!
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby mystic_1 » Thu Sep 23, 2010 11:10 pm

Great post, thanks! I'm going to study it closely.

As a relative noob to first aid, one thing that trips me up a lot is the frequent use of acronyms. For example, several posts have mentioned NPA's as an important item. As a non-professional, I have no idea what an NPA is. Google yields many many results for the term NPA, few of which are relevant to first aid:

National Powersports Auctions
Natural Products Association
National Parking Association
national pitching association
non performing assets
National Postdoctoral Association
National Phlebotomy Association

etc...

I realize that these acronyms and abbreviations are useful and commonplace in the industry, but since this post and similar posts seem to be targeted at newcomers to the arena, I just wanted to point out that the the technical lingo is something that can trip people up and make it more challenging to absorb the information.

BTW I finally did find that an NPA is a "Nasopharyngeal airway". :)

Thanks again for the great information

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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby ista_hota » Fri Sep 24, 2010 1:55 am

mystic_1 wrote:Great post, thanks! I'm going to study it closely.

As a relative noob to first aid, one thing that trips me up a lot is the frequent use of acronyms. For example, several posts have mentioned NPA's as an important item. As a non-professional, I have no idea what an NPA is. Google yields many many results for the term NPA, few of which are relevant to first aid:

National Powersports Auctions
Natural Products Association
National Parking Association
national pitching association
non performing assets
National Postdoctoral Association
National Phlebotomy Association

etc...

I realize that these acronyms and abbreviations are useful and commonplace in the industry, but since this post and similar posts seem to be targeted at newcomers to the arena, I just wanted to point out that the the technical lingo is something that can trip people up and make it more challenging to absorb the information.

BTW I finally did find that an NPA is a "Nasopharyngeal airway". :)

Thanks again for the great information

mystic_1


You know what my friend - that's a very, very valid point.

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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby AZMedic » Fri Sep 24, 2010 2:39 am

The reason for super hemorrhage control and fancy things like quikclot and the Isreali is that a lot are combat oriented not street oriented. Few can see both sides.

Airway is a very difficult skill if others say no then I worry. Bleeding control is pressure pressure pressure. Simple to put the pressure in the right place.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby mystic_1 » Fri Sep 24, 2010 8:34 am

ista_hota wrote:You know what my friend - that's a very, very valid point.

Here I made this for you: Glossary



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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Tac Medic » Thu Sep 30, 2010 6:29 am

Good post dude. You are outta your FRIGGIN mind ! I read the whole post here sitting in the pouring rain in my Intercept Vehicle......We gotta work together some day...........AZ, remember, soons as someone busts out a firearm or knife, the threat to life is the "killer B's"...........BLEEDING and Breathing..............No longer is the threat or should your treatment be directed to the traditional A,B,C,D,E 's of traditional street EMS........and no need for C-spine immobilization either unless it's been a witnessed specific mechanism.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby AnotherVersion » Thu Sep 30, 2010 11:36 am

Hey do any of you read EMS magazine or JEMS? There was a great article by Steve Whitehead (I think, or Greg Friese) about the backwards ABCs, where you manage arterial bleeding FIRST which is a circulatory thing... It was a good read I'll have to dig it up.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Treacle_Man » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:33 pm

amazing. solid, no bullshit advice. I like it.

After lurking forever I'm in the process of building a home base kit (already have BOB, Car and EDC FAKs) but I swear every damn time I visit this sub forum I have to rethink every one of those kits. So here we go again...

oh, and sigged:

ista_hota wrote:you might be feeling like the highest speed, lowest drag motherfucker on the planet when you're crouching over that patient with your STOMP bag and everyone is looking at you like you're superman but remember, it's time to stand down and be humble when someone better trained comes along
Dave_M wrote:I think some of you guys are over thinking this.

ZombieGranny wrote:Prepping is in order to avoid that "sense of suffering and being afraid".

HKTackDriver wrote:If you walk into a situation thinking your gun will do your talking, you shouldn't be entering the situation. The gun is the absolute dead last resort.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby DarkandShiny » Sat Oct 02, 2010 12:16 am

I'd like to comment on the importance of adequate training. While I was an undergrad I worked at various local hospitals starting out as a Phlebotomist and then as an EMT. As I entered grad school I did clinical research in the artificial heart and mechanical circulatory support department. After earning my masters in human physiology I promptly started a real estate development company (what else?). Other than being a good first responder a couple times and promptly calling 911, my emergency medicine practice has been zero.

I guarantee if I was presented with an emergency I would be ill equipped to handle it, even if I did have the necessary hardware.

Most local community colleges offer EMT or advanced first aid classes for a reasonable cost. I highly recommend participating. I'm going back to renew my EMT Basic and Intermediate certifications.

Great Post by the way. A little common sense and humility would do everybody a world of good.
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Re: Getting Started - Your First Medical Kit and Attitude

Postby Tac Medic » Sat Oct 02, 2010 5:16 am

Training is key, I agree, as initial "contact" to the field and ability / knowledge / even competency of the standard is necessary................But, honestly, there are people that can handle emergencies and people that can't. I tend to think that extreme critical thinking skills are inherent. There are some few that can learn, but very few. I see it every night. There are Medics I wouldn't let touch my Jack Russels, let alone a patient of mine. Ask any of the Medics here. There are people, even people with the LEVEL of training that I have to be like,.."whoa dude, take a deep breath,...............now go get the RED bag out of the ambulance"..........I have a 17yr old, a freakin' 17 yr old kid that I work with now that I would trust with my life because I have watched how he works and I have seen that he can handle it..............again, training is key I agree, but watch people.
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