The Throwdown Thread

[DocOutlands]

Y'all are thinking too small, too limited. Therefore you all LOSE. Observe a properly-supplied kit.



Nice shoulder-bag, hi-vis emergency red. Obviously a medic bag.


Contents of the right external pocket. The left pocket is empty. We fill these pockets with our "regular pills" when we load up to go places. SCA events, team training, Boy Scout and Girl Scout outings, family camping trips - whatever. Usually, we grab the bottles of excedrin, asprin, tylenol, ibuprofin, muscle rub, bonine, sun-screen, bug-juice, etc. and cram them into the pockets. I think you can id everything except the cream-jar. That's a first aid salve my wife makes.



Opened up. There's a front pocket, three internal bays, and a zipper pocket in the top flap.

Inside the top flap:



Front pocket:



Right-hand bay:

That baggie has one latex glove. Yes, only one.

Center bay:



Left bay:


I'm sure everyone recognizes FX-7, surgeon's assistant droid. Vital to have in your kit and good for more than a simultaneous amputation/cauterization any day! (sorry, Ellie)

Everyone else has failed to add professional backup to their kits. So, I am sad to say, everyone else loses.

[Citizen Simon]

DocOutlands:

Normally I might give you a C for effort, but considering the context. F (aka Fail.)

Only 3 rolls of gauze? Fail
More than 5 boxes of bandaids? Fail
Nothing for airway? Fail

Hell this looks like a medical bag for a stepdown ward in a hospital more than emergency medicine. Might want to give it to Jim, that sounds right up his alley.

[JIM]

People, people... How many times must I tell you all that I already won.

Let me clarify:

My medical kits/ Other peoples kits
Airway: NPA, OPA, ETT, cric, suction, magill, etc. / Some people NPA/OPA no dedicated suction
Breathing: Ambu-bag, O2, pocket-masks,BCS./ Pocket-masks and few ambu-bags, ACS
Circulation: IV’s, large amount of trauma-supplies / trauma supplies, few IV
Spinal care: C-collars, SAM-splint/ Lots of SAM’s, very few collars
Minor wound care: A lot/ A lot
Burns: Burn-kit and dressings / Some small packets of burn-jel, couple of dressings
Want any more humiliation?

Awsomeness of bags:
Well, those STOMP-II’s look better, but there are also bags here that are much worse.
The fact that I have Spencer-bags is awesomeness-compensated because I’m a male-nurse, and male-nurses kick-ass..


So do I need to go on? Face your loss, people

Oh, please. Your FAK isn't that great. You don't even have one weapon!

-Erik

Get back to school...you've already got a good backpack for it..

And no weapons?? so...

Oh and DTOM, being a nurse isn't so pussy when a trauma comes in, blood and guts are everywhere and the only doctor on call is a 1st-year who passes out when entering the trauma-room

So what sort of medical training do you have?

Doc, maybe you've got an edge on me (exept SUCTION, get some please!), but outside of the militairy you're toast. But I'm starting to repeat myself...

[HurricaneDad]

DocOutlands, I give you an F for FAIL for the damned extractor. THEY ARE WORTHLESS.

Not even FX-7 makes up for that. :p

[HurricaneDad]

Oh and DTOM, being a nurse isn't so purulentwhen a trauma comes in, blood and guts are everywhere and the only doctor on call is a 1st-year who passes out when entering the trauma-room

Corrected that for you. Mind your documentation, will you? (see here for incorrect word for documentation, particularly ref. female patients)

[Shiner86]

DocOutlands:

Normally I might give you a C for effort, but considering the context. F (aka Fail.)

Only 3 rolls of gauze? Fail

Awww, even I have more than 3 rolls of gauze, and I only entered this thread as a joke.

[HurricaneDad]

Awww, even I have more than 3 rolls of gauze, and I only entered this thread as a joke.

You may have entered it as a joke, but your silly husband is still all talk and no action around here. Please, let him borrow some Kerlix and a Band Aid so he can put something up. Pretty please?

[Shiner86]

Awww, even I have more than 3 rolls of gauze, and I only entered this thread as a joke.

You may have entered it as a joke, but your silly husband is still all talk and no action around here. Please, let him borrow some Kerlix and a Band Aid so he can put something up. Pretty please?

Hang on, let me give you my best TFB inpersonation...

"Wah, wah, I'm still waiting for my Stomp II to get here, somebody pass me a band-aid, FLAP FLAP FLAPPING MY ALBATROSS WINGS, wah, wah."

[hailstoneMT]

JIM Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 2:34 am Post subject:

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People, people... How many times must I tell you all that I already won.

Let me clarify:

My medical kits/ Other peoples kits
Airway: NPA, OPA, ETT, cric, suction, magill, etc. / Some people NPA/OPA no dedicated suction

Want any more humiliation?

Doc, maybe you've got an edge on me (exept SUCTION, get some please!), but outside of the militairy you're toast. But I'm starting to repeat myself...

Easy bud, so you have a Rescue Vac, big deal they are crap and excess weight. By the time you get an airway cleared you have a hand cramp and a dead pt.

Any good medic knows to use gravity to their advantage. If a pt starts to compromise their airway they go on their side and get swept out. The airway can be cleared before you can even unzip the compartment for your precious Rescue Vac.

Use your head and don't rely on tools...any good murse should know that.

[JIM]

Easy bud, so you have a Rescue Vac, big deal they are crap and excess weight. By the time you get an airway cleared you have a hand cramp and a dead pt.

Any good medic knows to use gravity to their advantage. If a pt starts to compromise their airway they go on their side and get swept out. The airway can be cleared before you can even unzip the compartment for your precious Rescue Vac.

Use your head and don't rely on tools...any good murse should know that.

First of all: Who are you?

Second: This is the throwdown thread, so no actual discussions here on suction vs. no suction device. If you want to start a seperate thread on that, that's fine.

Third: A Res-q-Vac ain't crap, it sucks...

I however would like to respond to your comments:

Suction is important in a serious trauma-bag. (A is at the top of a civilian trauma-protocol for a reason). True, you can clear a airway using the recovery-position / on his side and swooping by hand but a suction-device has the edge when blood/other fluids are in the airway.

Furthermore it's a lot more cumbersome (sp??) and dangerous to put someone with a spinal injury on his side (you knew that one was coming right?) than to use suction..

Last: Off course not everybody can have a suction-device in his kit, but there are a lot of big trauma-bags here, packed with gauze, IV's, chest-seals and whatnot...so why no suction?

Use your head and don't rely on tools...any good murse should know that.

Uhm...right. I'm using my head, but gauze is a tool as well... All right people, everybody should take out all their gauze...your hands and licking your wounds works just as well

There's only so much we can do without tools... Sure we can improvise, but why if we have the space and training to use a suction-device..

I'd be interested in seeing you FAK's, hailstoneMT.

[DocOutlands]

...emails hailstone a band-aid so he can compete...

[zXzGrifterzXz]

Last: Off course not everybody can have a suction-device in his kit, but there are a lot of big trauma-bags here, packed with gauze, IV's, chest-seals and whatnot...so why no suction?

Folks, He might not have won the whole thread but Jim has definitely won today's "Burt Gummer award".

[Dave_M]

Last: Off course not everybody can have a suction-device in his kit, but there are a lot of big trauma-bags here, packed with gauze, IV's, chest-seals and whatnot...so why no suction?

Folks, He might not have won the whole thread but Jim has definitely won today's "Burt Gummer award".

Without a single gun? I think not. Absolute heresy to win that award without a gun.

[Erik]

Oh, please. Your FAK isn't that great. You don't even have one weapon!

-Erik

And no weapons?? so?

You just don't get it, do you? Without at least a pistol, your life-saving kit sucks! Hell, Doc's got an automatic machine cannon in his FAK! What are you going to do, chop people to death with your yellow helicopter blades? Take your panty-waist FAK and jump off a cliff!

Last: Off course not everybody can have a suction-device in his kit, but there are a lot of big trauma-bags here, packed with gauze, IV's, chest-seals and whatnot...so why no suction?

Folks, He might not have won the whole thread but Jim has definitely won today's "Burt Gummer award".

Without a single gun? I think not. Absolute heresy to win that award without a gun.

It's clear DavePAL gets it, unlike JIM.

-Erik

[Citizen Simon]

Last: Off course not everybody can have a suction-device in his kit, but there are a lot of big trauma-bags here, packed with gauze, IV's, chest-seals and whatnot...so why no suction?

Folks, He might not have won the whole thread but Jim has definitely won today's "Burt Gummer award".

Without a single gun? I think not. Absolute heresy to win that award without a gun.

Seriosuly, the first time DavePAL got out of the firearms section it was kind of cute. The second time mildly amusing. Now I am started to get pissed. Cant one of the moderators lock him out of the first aid section?

[Shiner86]

Seriosuly, the first time DavePAL got out of the firearms section it was kind of cute. The second time mildly amusing. Now I am started to get pissed. Cant one of the moderators lock him out of the first aid section?

Fixed that for ya.

[Lurch]

Seriosuly, the first time DavePAL got out of the first aid section it was kind of cute. The second time mildly amusing. Now I am started to get pissed. Cant one of the moderators lock him out of the first aid section?

Awww, c'mon Doc, sure he's out of his backyard, but the picture of his doggy's cute. Kinda reminds me of OU's cheer squad a little, doesn't it you too?

[The Highwayman]

Oh and DTOM, being a nurse isn't so pussy when a trauma comes in, blood and guts are everywhere and the only doctor on call is a 1st-year who passes out when entering the trauma-room

So what sort of medical training do you have?

I have taken several local courses in CPR and First Aid, as well as trained and certified Medic First Aid with PADI (Professional Association of Dive Instructors) from when I worked as a Dive Master on a local dive charter.

So, basically not a whole lot of training, and even less actual experience.



Seems to me that makes my Stomp II all the more impressive that I know how to use everything in it...










Not to mention, I paid for everything in it myself, with a little help from Gunny, rather than have my employer pay for it!





So, Nurse...Don't you have a sponge-bath to go give to some geriatric patient???

[Tetra Grammaton Cleric]

Or put some bed pans in the deep freeze?

a long time ago in a galaxy far far away I worked in a remote regional hospital
where the female nurses' two great joys in life were swimming naked in the pool after hours
and chilling the hell out of bed pans for male patients in the PCU ward they didn't like.

good times
-

[JIM]

Not to mention, I paid for everything in it myself, with a little help from Gunny, rather than have my employer pay for it!

Same here mate

[kyle]

Not to mention, I paid for everything in it myself, with a little help from Gunny, rather than have my employer pay for it!

Same here mate

You guys must be really scared of the competition Jim bring to the table if you all have to gang up on him.

I'm with you, Jim. (for second place after my Comfort Aid Kit).

[Citizen Simon]

Not to mention, I paid for everything in it myself, with a little help from Gunny, rather than have my employer pay for it!

Same here mate

So, I think that paying for your medical supplies instead of tactically aquiring it does not give you bonus points. As a matter of fact stocking a complete aid bag without spending a cent of your own money should be considered a plus.

[hailstoneMT]

So ya, I guess I'd better put up or shut up so here's one of the FAK's...



This is the pack I carry for SAR. So small and light weight that it does not need backpack straps, and just the right amount of crap.





Stuff inside:
pocket mask
stethoscope and bp cuff
blizzard blanket
heat packs
sam splint
glucose tube
OPA's
eye wash
pain meds
N95 mask
bloodstopper
couple rolls of kling wrap
roll of coban
triangle bandage
ace wrap
box of assorted meds, burn gel, antibiotic cream ect.
several pairs of gloves
4x4s
non-stick pads
second skin dressings
mole skin
wound wipes
tape
bandaids
pt report stickers
sharpie pen
shears
tweezers

Yup, that's about it, flame away...



Gratuitous FAK, gun, and radio shot.

[Erik]

His FAK has a gun, so it also beats Jim's FAK.

-Erik