Hiding Your Home or BOL?

[Calzonewdippingsauce]

Just a funny article I stumbled across:

Camouflaged Residence Discovered in California Park

http://news.yahoo.com/camouflaged-residence-discovered-california-park-161429318--abc-news-topstories.html

[Evan the Diplomat]

This is the part that kills me - "Downs stood a chance of evading major legal trouble for his hidden house, but sheriff's deputies also discovered that he cultivated eight marijuana plants outside the structure, a felony because he did not have a permit to do so, Jones said."

[Confucius]

This is the part that kills me - "Downs stood a chance of evading major legal trouble for his hidden house, but sheriff's deputies also discovered that he cultivated eight marijuana plants outside the structure, a felony because he did not have a permit to do so, Jones said."

Why does that kill you? Best I know it's legal to grow if you have your medical card out here...

[Evan the Diplomat]

That the bigger violation is not having a "permit" to grow pot, as opposed to building a house with a permit on land that you don't own.

[ptAltered]

Sounds like they successfully bagged another of those NarcoTerrorists we've heard so much about!

[Blacksmith]

Illegal behavior is illegal. Does not matter if no kittens were drowned.

[charadeur]

Ya but you have to admit that growing 8 plants given to us by God being more of a crime than building a house on property you don't own is pretty absurd.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Ya but you have to admit that growing 8 plants given to us by God being more of a crime than building a house on property you don't own is pretty absurd.

Hey look, another forum waaaaaay over there to talk about politics and bitch about the laws! Why don't you use that, and leave the politics out of this, eh?

[Blacksmith]

Ya but you have to admit that growing 8 plants given to us by God being more of a crime than building a house on property you don't own is pretty absurd.

I don't have to admit to any of your religious or illegal trollery.

[TacAir]

That the bigger violation is not having a "permit" to grow pot, as opposed to building a house with a permit on land that you don't own.

Speaking of permits (and castles)

Part 1
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... bales.html


The Law will not be denied - 'tear it down say the council drones...."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010 ... demolition

So, 40 foot wall of hay bales = camo?

[Concray]

Politics aside, the idea is interesting...
Can one really hide a home? a fullsized house, that is.

I live in rural sweden, in a small village (8 houses) surrounded mostly by dense woods. A dirt road runs through it, accessing a main road athat curves around it at both ends.
By simply removing two signs, one could probably make the roads look like forrestry access roads, which would probably deter som would be looters. Hell, roughing up the road would even keep most cars away.
This is if said looters do not have a map.

There are also large rootcellar-like structures built in the woods back in the fifteenth century for tax-evasion reasons, that could, with new roofs, be used to hide food or even people from said looters, leaving only small amount in graineries to be found by such characters.
Of course, this would need a whole village to play along...

BUt then, what would one do about smoke? is there a way (except using dry wood in very small quantities) to hide smoke?

[angelofwar]

I don't know about a house...don't imagine it would be too hard to hide from a distance or overhead...or if you live out in the boonies, to where your neighbors wouldn't know. I mean, if an Aircraft factory can be disguised...
http://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2010/04/14/camouflaging-airports-and-plants-during-wwii/

As for an individual building, here's the best I could find:

http://www.wedgeenergyservices.com/index.php?page_id=110&id=44&cmp_id=2

[tookieblueeyes]

I would really like to see photographs of the whole lay out of this guys hidden home, marijuana aside.
And if he had these skills why not choose more of an out of the way location? I guess he must have liked something about the 13.5 acre preserve he chose, but if he was going to grow his pot there why not choose a preserve that was a little larger, more inaccessible to police and more out of the way. Be more concerned with hunters stumbling onto his pot crop than the police.
But I would really really really like to see photographs of the whole lay out, exterior and interior because I am seriously curious as to how it all looked.

[Concray]

*Edit reason: Stupid speculations that do not further discussion

[TacAir]

Politics aside, the idea is interesting...
Can one really hide a home? a fullsized house, that is.

I live in rural sweden, in a small village (8 houses) surrounded mostly by dense woods. A dirt road runs through it, accessing a main road athat curves around it at both ends.
By simply removing two signs, one could probably make the roads look like forrestry access roads, which would probably deter som would be looters. Hell, roughing up the road would even keep most cars away.
This is if said looters do not have a map.

There are also large rootcellar-like structures built in the woods back in the fifteenth century for tax-evasion reasons, that could, with new roofs, be used to hide food or even people from said looters, leaving only small amount in graineries to be found by such characters.
Of course, this would need a whole village to play along...

BUt then, what would one do about smoke? is there a way (except using dry wood in very small quantities) to hide smoke?

Wood stove design
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Smokeles ... 6055.shtml (needs power)

http://www.firesonline.co.uk/acatalog/S ... Stove.html (UK made)

There dozen of designs to build for yourself on line.

[Neddog]

As far as "building a house on land you don't own"... this was an animal refuge, not somebody's personal property. All legalities aside, I don't have a moral problem with that. If anything I only wish more homeless people would take this approach, rather than sleep in my driveway at night.

The fact that he had multiple fire extinguishers is cool. This guy was conscious about his responsibility.

Also notice how this guy took the fall for everyone? He was caught with two other people who were cited with infractions, but notice how his abode included 4 bunk beds?

This is actually a pretty common way for transients to live in Key West, where I spent many years. They build homes in the mangroves there. The mangroves are protected and cannot be cut down because their roots are what holds all the islands together in the keys.

[Lt.Cdr.Tom]

BUt then, what would one do about smoke? is there a way (except using dry wood in very small quantities) to hide smoke?

Would you be opposed to burning coal?

Anthracite coal burns hot and produces very little, if any smoke. During the US Civil War Confederate blockade runners used anthracite because its smokeless emissions aided in their stealth.

[Concray]

BUt then, what would one do about smoke? is there a way (except using dry wood in very small quantities) to hide smoke?

Would you be opposed to burning coal?

Anthracite coal burns hot and produces very little, if any smoke. During the US Civil War Confederate blockade runners used anthracite because its smokeless emissions aided in their stealth.

Actually, yeah.
There are no coal deposits anywhere close to where I live, so I would have no way of renewing my supplies in case of societal collapse. Anything but wood and charcoal would be beyond me.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Could you run a gassifier system?

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[Confucius]

Could you run a gassifier system?

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I'd say a gassifier or a rocket stove would be the way to go for the least amount of smoke from wood.

Plus both have the advantage of using sticks rather than logs, far less visible to gather.

[Concray]

Currently I have a bricked in wood stove, weighing in at at least two hundred kilos, that has been part of the nouse since someone decided to modernize from a fire-pit. You can use any fuel, and it stays hot for hours after the fire has burned out du to it's sturdy design and the heat-absorbing stone that surrounds it. That, and the fact that it has thee plates, two working ovens makes me reluctant to switch it out.
They just don't make stoves like that anymore.
If I am to make a change, it would probably have to be in the chimney, or in the preparation of the fuel.