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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Fri Jul 15, 2011 6:06 pm

JeepDude wrote:Good posts and sorry it has been some time, now lets move on to something that I'm sure will catch everyone's attention, what about protection? I want the land to be secluded enough not to have to worry about this, however if the event ever arose, what would you have for protection. Not just talking small arms, I'm first talking about how to avoid the situation all together (for example, build a false house and burn it down to the ground so no one sees it as any means to explore any further, or knock a tree down and make it look natural, land slide, etc.) then if the situation couldn't be avoided what would you do in regards to getting the family to safety? (for example, escape tunnel to even more secluded area) and if that fails then what kind of fire arms, explosives, traps, etc. Let your mind go wild here.

Thank you all for your posts, keep them coming, these ideas will not only help me, but may help someone else out in the future.

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I was idly musing along these lines one day, and had a few ideas spring to mind- feel free to use them if they seem sensible to you.
People explore most often when something grabs their attention. Avoid notice, and you avoid curiosity.

ETA: I am basing these on standard construction practices, in other words, a regular house, a normal barn, etc. An underground bunker, earthen bermed home, etc. would have different options available.


A farm is usually surrounded by forest, or at least brushy land. And, not all of them are led to by a paved road. A fence line along the roadway could be "encouraged" to grow barrier plants, thick enough, and tall enough, to discourage curiosity. A gate across the road could be built, supported by a wheel at the end, and a "box garden" along the front bottom- plant the same barrier plants, and develop a turn around of worn ground in front of it- your closed gate will look like a dead end with a turn around, or cul de sac, surrounded by an unbroken barrier of nasty thorns and brush. encourage some more of the same behind the gate, along your road edges, of course, and it will take on the appearance of the same sort of spotty growth locations as the wild land would have naturally. An alarm system situated behind the gate would give advance warning if it were to fail to deceive a passerby- and it would also tell you that they were determined enough to get past it to explore, discover, and open the gate, despite the overgrowth.

Borders can be formed with conifers- plant them in patches around the house, barn, etc, in a way that provides no straight line of sight through them to notice the house. Most conifers grow to a good height for this in just a few years, and can also protect the house from high winds in the winter, and the sun in the summer. My own preference is to have pines to the north and north-west, with hardwoods all around the other sides. This allows sun to hit the house during the winter, helping to heat it. (Hardwoods lose their leaves in the winter, and with them, their shadow. The conifers retain their greenery all year long, providing a screen all year long.)

Open meadows are a pretty normal thing to find when walking the woods, more so in some areas than others. If you develop barriers formed of natural things to the area, the change from woods to meadow will seem perfectly natural to anyone bushwhacking their way through the area, and without signs of cultivation, there's no reason for them to suspect anyone has been developing the area.

Paint your buildings in colors that blend into the surroundings. You don't have to camo up your walls and roof, but if you surround your house with pines, a semi dark green would be a better choice of color than a white or red. Allow the screening trees to break up the outlines of the buildings, and the color will make it seem to disappear, unless you know to look for it.

Shingle or roofing colors can be chosen to match closely to the surround ground cover- it's not a fool-proof system, but the breakup of the shadows caused by trees, and a good selection of colors, and the buildings will be tough to spot, even from the air.

Avoid running heat sources as much as possible- the smoke from a fireplace or furnace will rise well above your buildings, and become a beacon to the curious. Keep fires small, and as hot as possible- this lessons the amount of visible smoke, and uses the fuels as efficiently as possible.

If possible, try to avoid using the same path all the time- the more you can keep traffic patterns looking like game trails, the less they will be noticed as anything else.

Noise discipline is important, no matter how far from other people you may THINK you are. Shots while hunting can be heard for miles. A tractor, if nothing man made is drowning it out, can be heard from as much as a mile away. Dirt bikes can be heard a very, very long time approaching before they ever come into view, even through dense forest. Children love to play, and can become noisy- this is normal, and healthy. However, you will need to impress upon them the need to keep noise down, and to pursue quieter pursuits for entertainment, like fishing.

Avoid hanging things up like wind chimes, or pie tins around the garden- not only can they be reflective, attracting attention, but the noise is in no way normal or natural.

I'm sure there are other aspects to consider, but these are some that I thought about.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby harris6541 » Sat Jul 16, 2011 9:59 am

Cool thread...

I reckon keeping off the grid and keeping your presence concealed would be your best defense. History gives us tons of examples of dug in forces being over run by invading hoards (wow... that sounded way more pompous than I thought it would). If it were me, I would build a smallish stone structure with a root cellar for keeping stores on hand. I probably would stockpile hand tools and avoid electricity as much as possible (in the PAW I recon a lit up house would attract attention for miles around). If you really need electricity, I'd go with a one of those small scale hydro power generators. It seems to me that windmills and solar panels would be to great a target indicator for bad guys. Couple of links below:

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/Hydro/hydro.htm
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby Homer_sapien » Sat Jul 16, 2011 5:44 pm

Cool Thread.
Just saw this, Made me think of possible variations of the concept.

http://www.rense.com/DesignerHome.html
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby agelaus » Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:08 am

JeepDude wrote:Good posts and sorry it has been some time, now lets move on to something that I'm sure will catch everyone's attention, what about protection? I want the land to be secluded enough not to have to worry about this, however if the event ever arose, what would you have for protection. Not just talking small arms, I'm first talking about how to avoid the situation all together (for example, build a false house and burn it down to the ground so no one sees it as any means to explore any further, or knock a tree down and make it look natural, land slide, etc.) then if the situation couldn't be avoided what would you do in regards to getting the family to safety? (for example, escape tunnel to even more secluded area) and if that fails then what kind of fire arms, explosives, traps, etc. Let your mind go wild here.

Thank you all for your posts, keep them coming, these ideas will not only help me, but may help someone else out in the future.

JeepDude



Friend and I decided to surround our imaginary fortress with a nice climbing rosebush, or other thorny plant with a razor wire trellis. Lets see someone try to climb that fence XD
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby Jeriah » Tue Aug 23, 2011 9:40 pm

Has this been posted yet? Zombie-Proof House: http://all-that-is-interesting.com/post ... roof-house
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Wed Aug 24, 2011 1:18 am

I'm not sure if it was this thread, or elsewhere on ZS, but yes, it has. However, the data crash may have wiped that out- I didn't bother searching. but, I do remember seeing it linked here on ZS.

ETA: Found it! viewtopic.php?f=18&t=78645&view=unread#unread
The pics are at a different angle, but it's the same place.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby JeepDude » Fri Oct 21, 2011 12:37 pm

It has been some time since I have had the chance to read and learn from this, but now I have a question, what about sustained living? Meaning, food, produce, cattle? What would you do to live off the land? Would you grow food? Have cows? Bait deer in? Raise hogs? Etc.

Thanks a ton for all this information.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby Liam » Sun Oct 23, 2011 3:37 pm

Close enough to hook up to the grid for now, water, gas, electric. (can't have too many backups)

Concrete dome home (painted to blend into surroundings )with blast doors for entrances, built on top of an aquifer with water rights and well water ( well pump in basement/ first floor, water is number 1 priority after safety). 40 acres minimum, 80-120 preferred (20-40 acres of trees)(do not need all that land for a garden, but it keeps people from building too close to you, and expansion if needed). Solar and wind with battery backup and generator for when / if the grid goes down or just to get off the grid now if wanted. Electric heat/cooking and lights for as long as you can produce electricity.Backup, Wood burning stoves for heat / cooking.(What your 20-40 acres of trees is for, or for construction)

They have locations in eastern Colorado that fit this description to a tee except for actually building your "bunker"home. Closest towns are 5-10 miles away and population of those towns are 200-1000. Land is not too expensive but to actually do this on said land would cost way more than I can afford.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby Fishsurfer » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:46 pm

I would go with an elevated design. But...it would have to be based on cement supports and cement home construction as to avoid Fire as a weapon. A very popular one indeed when people are left to their own devices. Cement would allow you to have time to arm yourself and defend without fear or being burnt out of the place and then left for dead on your own property. I would use space underneath as a storage, and have not only a nice stair going upstairs from ground level, but also a metal drop down ladder that can be deployed from within the home through a hatch only accessible by those within the house. I would have a flat roof design as to be wind resistant, poured concrete walls... and then of course all of the wood you want in the interior to give it that warm feeling.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby CiggsWar » Sun Oct 23, 2011 7:51 pm

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This my imginational fort type bunker,
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Has a heavy draw bridge and rockcrusher under draw bridge for Zed's
Is about 10ft high with HD foundation blocks forming around 60 acres
Has a shop with a lift system to the vechile armoury
Has water holding tank system filtering system
Has a small fraction process system fo fuels and holding tanks
Comes equipt with an armoury bunker and underground quarters and storage.
there's a helio pad on the back side of the garage.
Top is used for farming
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby RoneKiln » Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:48 pm

If we're talking no holds barred fantasyland, I'd want a village surrounded by farmland and ranch. Small cottages that are super insulated with solar hot water and photovoltaic panels. A few community windmills. Several larger community buildings for shops, storage, etc. The borders would be protected by a deep moat and earthen berm planted with dense plants and vines to disguise that they're even there unless you walk along them long enough to recognize it's too long and straight of a feature to be natural. Wouldn't fool anyone with familiarity with the region, but would probably keep out scared starving hordes from the city. I'd own it all so I could be somewhat picky about who gets to come live in my little kingdom. Most of the people invited would be involved in drafting up the agreement as to standards and rules so I don't become an insane tyrant in my old age.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:58 am

Liam wrote:Close enough to hook up to the grid for now, water, gas, electric. (can't have too many backups)

Concrete dome home (painted to blend into surroundings )with blast doors for entrances, built on top of an aquifer with water rights and well water ( well pump in basement/ first floor, water is number 1 priority after safety). 40 acres minimum, 80-120 preferred (20-40 acres of trees)(do not need all that land for a garden, but it keeps people from building too close to you, and expansion if needed). Solar and wind with battery backup and generator for when / if the grid goes down or just to get off the grid now if wanted. Electric heat/cooking and lights for as long as you can produce electricity.Backup, Wood burning stoves for heat / cooking.(What your 20-40 acres of trees is for, or for construction)

They have locations in eastern Colorado that fit this description to a tee except for actually building your "bunker"home. Closest towns are 5-10 miles away and population of those towns are 200-1000. Land is not too expensive but to actually do this on said land would cost way more than I can afford.

Placing your well inside the foundation has it's pros, but also some cons. The deeper your water table, the less workable this solution is. With your well inside the basement, how will you access the lines bringing the water up, if they need replacement? What type of pump will you be using? Can it handle lifting water the entire depth of your well? These are just some of the questions you should be considering- it's NOT impossible, just sometimes problematic.

With a shallow well, you can use a jet pump, outside the well, which makes servicing a lot easier. However, shallow wells don't often go hand in hand with a strong aquifer, so the well going dry happens more often (low draw-down rate). A deep well, even on a weak aquifer, can hold a lot of water inside the casing, increasing your draw-down rate. Downside to a deep well, is you need more piping in it, and usually, a submersible pump. I've replaced quite a few well systems over the years, and the need for overhead room is important, even when using the flexible, black, poly pipe. Consider pump replacement, too- do you have replacement parts on hand, and do you know how to do the work yourself? How possible, post defecation striking the ventilation, will it be to get someone who does know, out to your place to do it? Most of the pump replacements I've done have been outdoors, submersible pumps, with about a 50/50 spread on the reason for replacement being either age or a lightning strike. So, how will you protect your home from the several-hundred-feet-long lightning rod you sank into the ground? Breakers on the pump circuits will protect your electrical system, but if you have a ground strike shooting up through your living room floor, breakers will be the least of your needs.

I'm not trying to pee on anyone's parade here, just tossing out things that you could avoid problems with later, by considering them now.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby nyarlotep » Tue Nov 08, 2011 4:08 pm

If I won the lottery, I'd like something like this:
http://walyou.com/zombie-proof-home/

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I'm sure you've all seen it before.

The only real concern in my AO is the occasional earthquake, possibly a volcano going off a couple hundred miles away, and lots of rain. If I were in a more tornado-prone area, I'd want the building to be a wide flat dome, with most of the building underground, so funnel clouds would just slide over the top of it.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby HatchetSurvivalist15 » Wed Nov 09, 2011 2:49 pm

hello i am deciding what to do because my house is full of windowsso it wouldn't be the best fortress and i didnt where else to try because i wa thinking the school but it will probably be over ran by military or by zombies and it is a good place because it has plenty of food a workout room and all schools are built to withstand human riots so it would hold back zombies... but any other suggestions whre to go.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby Dogan » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Withstand ANYTHING? Must build it from obsidian, with a lava Source Block on every corner and a sniping tower on top. Dammit, now I gotta go build that. :lol:
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby squinty » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:11 pm

Dogan wrote:Withstand ANYTHING? Must build it from obsidian, with a lava Source Block on every corner and a sniping tower on top. Dammit, now I gotta go build that. :lol:

My jerkoff fantasy home fortress is a vast bunker in a hollowed out mountain top with it's own geothermal energy source and multiple redundant generators. Realistically, I'll go for out of flood plain, good tornado shelter, hurricane shutters and katy bar doors, the usual stuff. Solar or other independent power supply, garden, well water and other nods toward self sufficiency would be nice too, but I'm nowhere near achieving that.
Oh, and lightning rods. I once lived in a trailer that got struck by lightning while I was in it, fried my laptop and ucfupped my roof.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby nyarlotep » Wed Nov 09, 2011 3:48 pm

squinty wrote:...a vast bunker in a hollowed out mountain top...


Make it a volcano; you could set traps to lure zeds into a pool of liquid hot mag-ma </dr. evil>
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Postby donjulio » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:07 pm

Realistically, I would build the entire structure using styrofoam forms filled with concrete. This provided insane structural integrity and excellent insulation. I built a few houses like this back in the day, and you don't need to win the lottery to afford it.
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby KentsOkay » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:09 pm

I now want to draw up my fantasy house...

Start with the house. On the exterior it will be a story and a half or two stories built around a central courtyard, possibly built into a hillside. Roof will slope outwards, interior roof will be patio/ramparts. There will be an observation tower, possibly part of the rainwater collection system. Construction would be reinforced concrete or whatever wonder material we fancy these days, faced in native Texas stone. I'm drawing a shit ton of inspiration from the Lady Bird Johnson Wildflower Center, or at least the tower portions.
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Underground/semi submerged would be more living space, and buried really deep and into the hillside would be tornado/fallout shelter. Low shrub and strategic plantings would partially obscure the house, but be easily defeated in height by the tower. Very close by would be a garage/workshop, possibly a metal building faced in stone to match the house. House would over look farm/pasture area. Exterior stone (wall, concrete/tile roof, central courtyard) would be native, or at least native looking. I aint gonna lie, the courtyard is mostly for the grill and hot tub, but can easily be a place to stage the central defense (roofline and deck would form ramparts. Landscaping will be gravel and low resource shrubs/flowers/evergreens/herbs. I have always been impressed by how well rosemary does in Texas. Vegetation against the house would be minimal to prevent fire hazard. Some sort of giant awning that can go over the courtyard and decks/ramparts would be nice too, otherwise Texas sun would turn what oughta be a 3 season living space into 1 1/2 seasons :roll:

Over all, a very old world, rustic feel. Must think of ways to make it reflect my Celtic heritage more than historical Spanish and Italian influences :lol:
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby squinty » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:10 pm

I'll go to the arctic and make it from crystals. (waits fir Jor-El to take the bait...)
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Postby grennels » Wed Nov 09, 2011 4:29 pm

JeepDude wrote:Thank you all for all your replies. I just got back from Alaska and it was truly something I recommend everyone to put on their bucket list.

Now that there are some really really good ideas to go off of for the house, lets change gears. My favorite word... Water.

My plan is to buy some property that has some sort of stream flow or creek that produces at least water year round, and fish if I'm lucky (if not thats ok on the fish) I also plan to build a pond to put fish into so there is a source of food if need be, I would damn up the water source (not so much as to where no one else could prosper downstream) enough to make reservoirs and small pools of water around the area of the creek bed, meaning I would build 2 or 3 small mini damns to where water could still flow over each but to where it could also make small reserves of water just in case. I would then have an electric pump as my primary to pump into holding tanks underground then that would feed into the house, and as a back up have a hand pump if need be. As for the home if I went with a monolithic style dome as we have talked about and put earth on top of the dome itself that could actually cause polluted rain water as a run off, so to get rid of this issue I would have two car ports that are earth free, and are exposed directly to rain so they can collect the rain water and gravity feed that directly into the home. I could even find a way to heat that water without power? Any ideas? Also good idea on the floor heating, I could have some of the water filter into the ground heating system. Thats what I have so far, now with that being said what are your ideas for water?







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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Sat Nov 12, 2011 1:45 pm

KentsOkay wrote:I now want to draw up my fantasy house...

Me, too, but it's been done already...
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Postby skelco » Sat Nov 26, 2011 10:18 pm

nyarlotep wrote:
squinty wrote:...a vast bunker in a hollowed out mountain top...


Make it a volcano; you could set traps to lure zeds into a pool of liquid hot mag-ma </dr. evil>

a real volcano lair for sale:
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Re: How would you build your future home to withstand anythi

Postby squinty » Sun Nov 27, 2011 12:53 am

I think where you build is as important as what you build. Build your home to survive whatever local disasters are likely, or in a place where those disasters won't happen. Is it in a flood plain? Tornado alley? A drought prone area? Someplace with bitter cold winters/boiling hot summers? Are wild fires or mudslides likely?

Is it hard to break into? Are there good lines of sight in various directions from the house so you can ee who's approaching? Blind spots in the architecture that someone could hide in? Or would you scrifice that for seclusion?
(One of our houses had an eight foot high wooden privacy fence around thbe back and side yards. We thought of it as a security feature. The gas pack was outside the house, just inside the fence. SOmeone stole the gas pack while the house was empty. The fence allowed them enough cover to break out their tools and take their time disassembling it, unobserved. :( )

So,eone mentioned sustainability and that's probably the biggest issue. Post big disaster, no matter what kind of disaster, even if your house wasn't directly affected by it, you will have to cope with deprivation - essential stuff being unavailable for purchase, power grid down, food and heating oil scarcity etc.
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