Cigarettes? Dip?

[Rhastus]

well part of the reason i smoke is because i'm bored. Z-time does not seem like something i'd get bored about very easily not to mention the possibility that smoke smell alone might alert the buggers and (night) vision can be diminished by smoking. if i felt safe enough in a hold up and draw them out hunting situation you bet i'd have a huge Col. "Hannibal" Smith cigar chomped in my teeth while i do my target practice (given the resources). smokes will be the last thing on my mind though, i have a good enough insomnia when there is something to be done. dip on the other hand could still leave a trail not to mention i don't want to be running with a big ol' chaw in.

the laxative properties of tobacco in general might be a benefit if you are eating MREs or canned and dried foods, anyone who has eaten MREs will tell you that (they do say that the gum is a laxative however in basic i ate the gum and man was it painful without going into details). on the run i would not advise tobacco but in a temporary hold-up smoke 'em if ya got 'em.

given the right climate they can still be smoke-able prepackaged for a while, it's like having a humidor for cigars. yes eventually they will still get stale but humid areas will preserve them more. creating a pocket-sized or slightly larger (small enough to not be too encumbering) humidor would be a great idea.

[Bad Penny 08]

Cool thread.
Even as an investment this stuff is good to know.

There are a ton of videos on YouTube about rolling cigars and growing tobacco.
I'm surprised I don't hear about it more often.

I dipped a tin a day for almost 30 years. Used Red Man also. One day I woke up and realized how bad that shit was for my health. I threw it all away and haven't touched it in almost 2 years now. I feel much better because my BP has dropped substantially.

I smoked Marlboros. About 1995 I chucked them and never looked back.
I've seen guys get real fucked up over trying to quit. I can think of several cases where their Wives handed them a carton of smokes or chew and said something like "start back up again or you're divorced."
Rough stuff.

[crashin]

When I was in basic training, we used to dip the instant coffee that came in MRE's. It worked alright. Hell of a buzz.

We did that at MCT as well.

I have used just about every form of tobacco, but I must admit I have pretty much quit. At this point I only light up when I've been drinking heavily which hasn't happened in a few years now.

[surt]

Cigarettes will last a very long time if you keep them dry, whether or not they're good is another matter. Stale cigs will still give you nicotine, they'll just taste like crap.

I think cigarettes would be a luxury in a SHTF type scenario - Id expect to see a lot of smokers switching to smokeless. A lot less hassle

[Bad Penny 08]

Cigarettes will last a very long time if you keep them dry, whether or not they're good is another matter. Stale cigs will still give you nicotine, they'll just taste like crap.

So what could you do to improve the flavor?
I googled some stuff about 5 years ago, including dipping them in brandy.

The consensus was that brandy or scotch in your chew was acceptable, but it all but ruined cigars or cigarettes.

There was mention of various [legal] "dips" for cigarettes that could be found at head shops, but I didn't bother to look into it.

Then there was about 1,000 pages of junkies dipping them in all kinds of illegal crap, which apparently is frowned upon even by their peers. I guess even junkies have standards.

I think cigarettes would be a luxury in a SHTF type scenario - Id expect to see a lot of smokers switching to smokeless. A lot less hassle

Yeah.
In my travels I stumbled upon threads where guys did all sorts of things to try and distill nicotine from patches.
I see all kinds of bizarre attempts to get a buzz taking place, and nicotine poisoning will probably be the common theme.

[surt]

They sell flavor drops at most smoke shops but personally I'd rather have a stale cigarette than a cherry flavored stale cigarette.

Putting your packs in a freezer or fridge can almost double the shelf life of "freshness" from my experiences. But I think if you were really dead set on smoking in the PAW buying bags of rolling tobacco and stocking up on papers would be your best bet. I'm sure there's a humidity level for cigarette tobacco that'll keep it fresh for years just like cigars. Just gotta find the right temp. and just keep your bulk tobacco at that level, should be good to go.


Or just start stocking up on nicotine gum, I have loads of the stuff from previous quitting experiences. Some of its like 3 years old and still does the job just fine.

[Bad Penny 08]

They sell flavor drops at most smoke shops but personally I'd rather have a stale cigarette than a cherry flavored stale cigarette.

n-a-s-t-y

[DarkAxel]

Well, I've given fresh life to stale tobacco by using the apple-peel trick mentioned above. You can also steam it for a minute or two and it won't taste as bad. If you are dealing with the whole leaf, you can hang a hand of it from the clothesline on a foggy morning.

Most pests won't fuck with tobacco (nicotine is used as a pesticide), so it tends to keep fairly well.

[surt]

Most pests won't fuck with tobacco (nicotine is used as a pesticide), so it tends to keep fairly well.

Awesome, I might get cancer but at least I wont have bugs in my lungs.

[MrUgly]

He begs to differ...

[surt]

Well the he actually kept the bugs at bay with his excessive smoking. X-files rocks

[ruralranger]

well i just read an article in the knoxville newspaper that roll your on is coming under fire from state & federal governments on the roll your own stores that have popped up in the last 2 years or so...it seems they are not making enough money (tax )& the major cig manufacturing companies are saying that the roll your own stores are (as they see it ) , not paying for proper permits and should be considered "manufacturing companies also with the same guidelines as the larger company's... the loss to state is around 62 cents per 20 cigarettes and fed tax is a loss of 1.01 cents per pack... with this info ,my suggestion would be if you smoke and plan on doing so in the paw ,stock up now on pipe tobacco & tubes... heres a link to check http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110 ... |FRONTPAGE [to be fore warned is to be fore armed] [a nods as good as a wink to a blind horse]

[Dark_Knight7096]

I honestly can't see them coming after pipes or pipe tobacco. There is no choice but to "roll your own" there. Unless someone starts selling pre-filled single use pipes anyway...

[ruralranger]

I honestly can't see them coming after pipes or pipe tobacco. There is no choice but to "roll your own" there. Unless someone starts selling pre-filled single use pipes anyway...

several people i know & business owners of local smoke shops do tell me that people are buying bags of pipe tobacco for roll your own machines.i bought some a couple of weeks ago but haven't tried it yet...also the news report on this has some people say that the pipe tobacco is smother than the manufactured packaged brands with less additives in the loose pipe tobacco ... and the price difference between loose cigarette tobacco vs the loose pipe tobacco is half the cost,so it seems logical that pipe tobacco would sale quicker ... m [to be fore warned is to be fore armed][a nods as good as a wink to a blind horse]

[ruralranger]

it seems like this "fad" of roll your own is cutting into the pockets of government ( state & federal ) as well as cigarette manufacturers ...

[kbilly84]

it seems like this "fad" of roll your own is cutting into the pockets of government ( state & federal ) as well as cigarette manufacturers ...

That's why I've been giving serious thought to it. I did for a brief bit right at the tail end of college. It was just some cheap Top tobacco and a hand-roller, but it worked well and tasted better than regular smokes. I think I'll try it with some pipe tobacco this weekend. My roller is a non-filter type, does anyone know if they make a hand-roller for filters?

[Kevin108]

I'm fat but I don't see myself stocking up on things to make chocolate for SHTF . Have you ever been so tired you weren't hungry? I just feel like in a true survival scenario most of your time would be consumed with finding food, water and shelter and feeding silly addictions would go by the wayside.

[kbilly84]

I'm fat but I don't see myself stocking up on things to make chocolate for SHTF . Have you ever been so tired you weren't hungry? I just feel like in a true survival scenario most of your time would be consumed with finding food, water and shelter and feeding silly addictions would go by the wayside.

Yeah, but smoking is COOL!

[Sckitzo]

Maybe in a TEOTWAWKI situtation, but anything resembling normal your addictions are going to play into it. At least nicotine won't kill us not having it available, and easy to find, make and store. Think if it like a comfort item, one of those things to help you mentally.

I'm considering kicking cigs, going to keep the pipe might trying those vaporizers again, the one I had sucked ass, but I guess they have come along way.

[DarkAxel]

it seems like this "fad" of roll your own is cutting into the pockets of government ( state & federal ) as well as cigarette manufacturers ...

That's why I've been giving serious thought to it. I did for a brief bit right at the tail end of college. It was just some cheap Top tobacco and a hand-roller, but it worked well and tasted better than regular smokes. I think I'll try it with some pipe tobacco this weekend. My roller is a non-filter type, does anyone know if they make a hand-roller for filters?

Yup. See above ! My local smoke shop also sells filters to drop into the non-filter type you use rolling papers with (vs tubes).

[CityGirlLost]

I don't see myself stocking up on things to make chocolate for SHTF .

I figure it would just be a bad, real bad, cold turkey event for me if SHTF re cigs, however, this idea of making chocolate has real merit . Be able to do that and you could rule the PAW LOL.

[kbilly84]

it seems like this "fad" of roll your own is cutting into the pockets of government ( state & federal ) as well as cigarette manufacturers ...

That's why I've been giving serious thought to it. I did for a brief bit right at the tail end of college. It was just some cheap Top tobacco and a hand-roller, but it worked well and tasted better than regular smokes. I think I'll try it with some pipe tobacco this weekend. My roller is a non-filter type, does anyone know if they make a hand-roller for filters?

Yup. See above ! My local smoke shop also sells filters to drop into the non-filter type you use rolling papers with (vs tubes).

Stopped in at my local shop this weekend. Top apparently makes makes a "starter kit" for tubes that sells for 15 bucks. Seems to work well enough. Also got a pack of filters for my roller. Is there a way to get these in more "permanently"? I rolled one like that, and the filter fell out fairly quickly. Also is it just me, or are the make-your-own filters shorter than the ones on my Marlboros?

I will say this, the pipe tobacco I bought and tried is much nicer than Marlboro. I may me making own from no on

[confusedyeti]

Kbilly84, if you lick the outside of the filter before you roll it up and the paper around it after its rolled, that worked for me back when I was rolling. Not too much on the filter to begin with tho, or it'll tear the paper mid roll. Some of the bagged filters are a bit stiff on the pull too, you may have to loosen them up by rolling them between your thumb and pointer finger first.

[Gaston]

For the bug out bag, a very lightweight option is "nasal" snuff - old school stuff. Those of us in our 18thC group that didn't want to fool with a pipe tried it as it is correct for the period, and I like it fairly well as a substitute for my regular Swedish snus. I buy the Wilson's Irish High Toast, it's unflavored (so you don't get sick and tired of the flavor) and stout, just a tiny bit will do the trick. I find I use tobacco a lot less with true snuff, as you get one heck of a blast. A tip - do not snort it, just sniff it a little bit, barely enough to get it into your nose. Take a big snort of something that strong and you will be crying, sneezing and dripping snot for ten minutes, I've seen that happen many times to new snuffers (and yes, it's happened to me a couple of times when I'd forget). One little flat tin of it will last a whole weekend for me, and I normally have snus in my mouth most of the time I'm awake.