Cigarettes? Dip?

[DarkAxel]

I hate starting a new thread for a simple question... So i will just jack this one.
Anyone have experience with the cig rolling machines? I have been wanting to start rolling my own as far as i can tell you just need the rolling machine, tubes, and tobacco is that right? And I was looking at the Top-O-Matic machine anyone have any experience with them?

Yup. it takes a few tries to get the hang of just how mush tobacco to put in the cig. Too much and you won't be able to smoke the resulting cig. and if you try to force the machine, you'll fuck it up. I usually use the smaller hand rollers.

Anymore questions, ask.

[Sckitzo]

I hate starting a new thread for a simple question... So i will just jack this one.
Anyone have experience with the cig rolling machines? I have been wanting to start rolling my own as far as i can tell you just need the rolling machine, tubes, and tobacco is that right? And I was looking at the Top-O-Matic machine anyone have any experience with them?

Was doing it for a bit, pro tip, buy bulk pipe tobacco, a lot cheaper.

They are handy though, I just got lazy and stopped doing it but I consider getting another machine eventually.

[DarkAxel]

I hate starting a new thread for a simple question... So i will just jack this one.
Anyone have experience with the cig rolling machines? I have been wanting to start rolling my own as far as i can tell you just need the rolling machine, tubes, and tobacco is that right? And I was looking at the Top-O-Matic machine anyone have any experience with them?

Was doing it for a bit, pro tip, buy bulk pipe tobacco, a lot cheaper.

They are handy though, I just got lazy and stopped doing it but I consider getting another machine eventually.

This man speaks truth. When I first started rolling my own, Gambler Tube Cut was going for around 18 bucks for a 16 oz bag, then the tax hike kicked in and doubled the price. Most of the cheaper bulk pipe tobacco, like Red Cap, Gambler Four Aces, and Sparrow are just cigarette tobacco with small amounts of Cavendish tobacco added to pass as pipe-smoke.

Here's an idea of the prices in Jackson:

Sparrow - 9.99 per 16oz bag
Red Cap - 14.99 per 16oz bag
Four Aces (Gambler) - 17.99 per 16oz bag.

The cheapest loose cig tobacco - 24.99 per 8 oz bag/can

BTW, don't try to stuff Prince Albert into a tube. It's too moist and impossible to dry out, and the cigarette won't burn.

[Takaaco78]

I dont even smoke. I am getting my wife a rolling setup for her birthday because im tired of buying her a carton a week, so its really a present for me...

[KnightoftheRoc]

I roll my own whenever I can get out to the smoke shop for the supplies- it saves me a TON of money. The swing-arm style machine is one I want, as several people I know have raved about them- there is a trick to it tho- tuck the tobacco into the corners of the slot first, or it doesn't load up full. I use the plastic slider type myself, and buy the tubes when I get the tobacco. With an old cafeteria tray to work on/over, the mess is minimal, and my fiancee or I can make up a pack or two (we use the plastic cases) while watching TV at night. Another trick I have found handy, is to load the plastic "packs" up with the filters DOWN. This helps keep the tobacco from coming unpacked and winding up all over.

Store the opened tobacco with a slice of apple or orange in it, and the tobacco stays the right moisture. Dried out tobacco has been the biggest problem I've found with making your own ciggies. The slice of fruit dries out as the tobacco attempts to draw moiture from inside the sealed bag, and can also lend a touch of flavor to it.

[NorrisUnleashed]

Maybe Im being silly but, I have tried to stop chewing off and on for like 3 or 4 years now. The obvious solution is to not prep at all for this occurrence as it is apparently the only way im going to quit. I do have some *spits* Black Cavendish in a couple of mason jars. The occasional smoke with the wife will go a long way. *spits*

[DarkAxel]

...there is a trick to it tho- tuck the tobacco into the corners of the slot first, or it doesn't load up full...

Yup, another trick is learning how to work the crank.

Fill up the tobacco slot, then pull the crank down ONCE, just enough to pack the tobacco properly, then ease up and pull down again, all the way.

[KnightoftheRoc]

ahhh- another good tip- thanks. If I ever manage to fit one of these into the budget, I am gonna get one.

[Rugger]

If you dip or chew, I would very highly recommend putting some in your preps. Withdrawal from chewing/dipping can be far worse than withdrawals from smoking. Reason being, when you smoke you get a hit of nicotine for a couple of minutes, maybe; but when you dip/chew you are getting a constant stream of nicotine for however long you leave it in. I dip and will leave a dip in for up to a couple of hours, usually adding to it as I spit out little pieces. That's a lot of nicotine. Not only that, a pack of cigs generally has about 20-40mg of nicotine. A can of silver top copenhagen has 255mg!!!! I used to dip a can a day of that stuff. I'm now down to skoal pouches, and it's been tough weening myself down to that.

On the upside, some of the main side effects of quitting smokeless tobacco is insomnia, paranoia, and aggression. Normally for about a week. Could be useful.

[RickOShea]

Store the opened tobacco with a slice of apple or orange in it, and the tobacco stays the right moisture. Dried out tobacco has been the biggest problem I've found with making your own ciggies. The slice of fruit dries out as the tobacco attempts to draw moiture from inside the sealed bag, and can also lend a touch of flavor to it.

Thanks for that, good to know.



I've got 28 pounds of this stuff that I inherited from my Dad last year. I figured I would save it for hard times.

My Grandpaw used to grow his own tobacco.... I wish I would have paid more attention.

He'd get his seed from somewhere in Cincinnati (where he was originally from), it would come in a little miniature manila envelope. When he poured it out into his hand, it looked like a teaspoon of fine black pepper. He would plant a quarter acre with it.

[KnightoftheRoc]

Had an interesting conversation tonight, which made me think of this thread. It involved nicotine lozenges and gum, which NY State sends out for free as part of the NY Quits anti-smoking campaign. These might be a real good way to store a nicotine product long term, and, if your state has a similar program, you could get your stock for free! In a BOB, I could see the lozenges being handy, as you would be able to handle the urge to smoke while moving out, and avoid the possibilities of being spotted by your cloud of smoke, the scent of it, or the potential fire hazard. If you're bugging out from a huge propane leak, lighting up isn't really an option, but I'd imagine your nerves would be on edge, and clamoring for a smoke.

[ruralranger]

well the machines for roll your own are ok once you get it down & packed firmly ,i do smoke cigars sometimes ,my dad died recently ,in February & i got passed down his stash.several years ago he had given me his pipe collection ( around 30 or so various types ) i think it was around 95 or so we bought some tobacco at a shop in gatlenburg tn. ,i still have some of what we got then & do smoke it on occasions...i normally smoke ciggs,but am working toward giving them up eventually ..i have grown my own tobacco in the past and yes,it is a job for nearly 10 months out of the year and very consuming labor & finical wise(not worth the time as far as making any money )now on the rolling machine, i have a zig zag kit that came with everything and with some trial & error ,talking to some others i know that use the machine (which is plastic ) i do pretty good when time allows and i can sit still long enough with out getting frustrated . a bag of rolling tobacco & tubes compared to a carton is like 1/3 or so the cost.good for a back up in a shtf situation's and as far as tobacco drying out ( pipe or cigg ) try dropping a piece of fresh apple in the bag for a couple of days,if tobacco is dry it will absorb moister and will make it smoother ... i have found this also helps when rolling your own because it packs tighter in the tray of the roller... , [to be fore warned is to be fore armed]

[Takaaco78]

Well i just bought my first rolling set up. Got a little Top one at a time tobacco injector, box of 200 tubes and a bag og 4 aces mellow tobacco. Picked it all up for $18 out the door, it took me about 3 or 4 cigs to get it right but now its no problem.

[DarkAxel]

Did you get the 16 oz bag? If so, you'll need another box or two or of tubes. You get a lot of cigs out of the big bags.

[ruralranger]

Well i just bought my first rolling set up. Got a little Top one at a time tobacco injector, box of 200 tubes and a bag og 4 aces mellow tobacco. Picked it all up for $18 out the door, it took me about 3 or 4 cigs to get it right but now its no problem.

cool Takaaco78, as you see patients is the key to making a well packed cig ,thats my biggest problem !i think i got one of those machines too ...i have maybe 3 or 4 total cause when i see a deal i cant pass it up,last night i stopped @ the store for a carton of cigs & spent 116 $ ... 30 bucks for cigs and the rest in on sale can stock for preps...every time i go to the store i do this i tell the cashier i'm doing this for the gas points lol ...now the next time i'm in ky which has cheaper prices on tobacco i'm going to invest in some more pipe tobacco & tubes... / [to be fore warned is to be fore armed ][a nods as good as a wink to a blind horse]

[KnightoftheRoc]

I've used the same design maker for a few years now. One thing I've found is that you can't get a well-packed cigarette out of them, only "close enough". Stuff enough tobacco in to get a well packed cigarette, and the machine doesn't want to handle it, or it pushes the tube off, tearing it. So, I use either a round pencil- unsharpened- or a chopstick to pack the tobacco in tight after it's loaded with the slidey machine.

One thing I've noticed is that if you pack the cigarette tube with two smaller loads, you get a tighter packed smoke, but the coal falls off at the point the two loadings meet inside the tube. Which is annoying as hell

[collisionsurfer]

I should probably point out that here in the UK, loads of people- and I mean, most smokers that I know- roll their own. No need for any machine, or to roll them in advance. I smoke, and when I want one, I roll one by hand, there and then. Here, and shop that sells cigarrettes sells loose tobacco and rolling papers, too.

Having said that, the obvious point probably needs making again: 'smoking' and 'survival' are uneasy bedfellows, for the obvious reasons. I'm planning on giving up this year. I'll probably use nicotine gum as NRT (Nicotine Replacement Therapy), it's quite the done thing here.

[Tendrax]

Well, just bought a cheap pipe and some tobacco today. So far I like it. An Added benefit is people can't bum smokes off me anymore. Lol.



It really is a pretty cheap pipe though, so next payday I'll probably buy a nicer one. Just need to find a good smoke shop. I went to three before I found one that sold pipes, and it was really more of a convenience store than a smoke shop.

[RickOShea]

Well, just bought a cheap pipe and some tobacco today. So far I like it. An Added benefit is people can't bum smokes off me anymore. Lol.

Most of my co-workers dip snuff. They keep people from bumming off of them by "recycling".

I've got a couple Peterson's Killarney pipes my uncle gave me right before he died a few years ago. I might dig them out and give 'em a try.

[KuroKuma]

I have consumed nicotine in every way I know possible from the age of 5. Nowadays I mainly smoke cigars and insulfflate snuff. I recently decided to start making my own cigars so I will be growing florida sumatra next year to use as wrapper, binder, and filler. I figure if SHTF then rolling papers and cigarette tubes are going to go quick at the rate I consume that poison.

[evil0rphan]

You know, you might try buying a vaporizer. You can alter the nicotine amounts (like the patches have different doses) if you desire. After a steady habit of 2-4 packs/day smoking, I went with one, using the 21mg nicotine fluid. OMFG how my lungs cleared up after a month. With a vaporizer, all you are getting is nicotine, and none of the other 4000-ish chemicals. I had to experiment, as that's my nature and go back to regular cigs after 6 weeks to see if I could tell a diff. Withing the first 5 days, I was choking and coughing... like a TB patient. Paper-rolled death nails suck. I would advise you to get away from tobacco is at all possible, but if nicotine holds you firm, look into vaporizers. You will still get you nicotine, but none of the other crap.

And, I am pretty sure that it would not be too hard to synthesize in a PAW, as you are dealing with one discrete chemical compound.

But be careful... nicotine goes thru the skin like cheese thru a goose. So you have to handle the fluid carefully.

[Kyle Ryder]

Id imagine 5-10 years into paw food will become less of an issue and consumables like tqbacco and alchohol will be valuable. How long will a carton of ciggs keep? In not a smooker but even if supply is not exhuasted the shelf life cant be long.

A good few years if it's sealed, in a cool, dark place.

Even when it's gone off cigs are still smokable.

[DarkAxel]

Id imagine 5-10 years into paw food will become less of an issue and consumables like tqbacco and alchohol will be valuable. How long will a carton of ciggs keep? In not a smooker but even if supply is not exhuasted the shelf life cant be long.

A good few years if it's sealed, in a cool, dark place.

Even when it's gone off cigs are still smokable.

I found a pack of non-filter Camels in a robe closet at the local Masonic lodge in 1998. The pack had been there at least since 1975. They were dry and stale, but they still smoked and satisfied. As long as the tobacco didn't mold, you can still smoke em.

[Dark_Knight7096]

I'm good. So long as I still have water for my humidors I can keep my cigars indefinitely. I have tobacco seeds, I was toying with the idea of growing and rolling my own next year just to see what it would entail...