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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Thu May 17, 2012 7:45 pm

While spincasting reels like Zebcos are easy and affordable, they are inherently harder to maintain and will breakdown far more easily.
Get a basic open spinning rod/reel combo between 6.5 and 7 foot. Bait is all gonna change depending on area, water conditions, and time of year among many other things. Live bait for survival catfishing: worms, old meat, corn etc, etc is obviously the go to for catching edible fish in a survival situation.

As for the beginners going for recreational bass, spinnerbaits, inline spinners, anything fake crawdad/salamander looking is great. I like soft jerk baits called "swim flukes" especially well too.

But if you absolutely positively must try one bait for ease of use and rate of success look no further than the Senko Worm. Simply hooking it in the middle and exposing the hook point or texas rigging it with a bit of weight, and it will catch fish anywhere anytime, 5" version is what I use and have caught all types of fish on it.

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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Caenus » Thu May 17, 2012 7:58 pm

This is where fishing gets fun...the endless options for tackle.

I've never caught a fish on a senko worm, but I catch them all day on powerworms.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Thu May 17, 2012 8:34 pm

Caenus wrote:This is where fishing gets fun...the endless options for tackle.

I've never caught a fish on a senko worm, but I catch them all day on powerworms.

I havent caught anything on a powerworm since back in the day, but likely for lack of trying hard enough! Different strokes for different...fish....

More power to ya, I wish I could still get the same results with powerworms, Yamamato charges whatever he wants for those senkos!

Something I picked up and am waiting to try:
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Fishing "yoyos" or automatic fisherman. Theyre on spring tension and once pulled, they well start reeling themselves in. Not sure how well they'll work, but in a survival situation, I cant imagine a better way to fish all night.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Caenus » Thu May 17, 2012 8:38 pm

Yeah, no kidding. Oddly, another popular bait I've never caught anything on are crawfish shaped crankbaits...must be a technique there that completely eludes me!
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Thu May 17, 2012 8:43 pm

Caenus wrote:Yeah, no kidding. Oddly, another popular bait I've never caught anything on are crawfish shaped crankbaits...must be a technique there that completely eludes me!

Me neither. Same thing with these newer frog cranks ive been seeing.,.,
I was talking about soft plastic crawdaddys. Creature types and crawdads are often my go-tos, im starting to like soft frogs as well, rage tail toads and booyahs new fancy ones seem to work pretty good around here.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Caenus » Thu May 17, 2012 9:28 pm

A very sad day a month ago...wife and I decided to go fish an urban lake nearby. I had just restrung my reel and as we set up I tied on my "lucky" creature bait. Green and black with green craw/frog tail. I cast it out, and it just kept going...and going...apparently I F'd up the knot. I watched it splash down near the middle of the lake and contemplated for a full 5 minutes whether I wanted to wade out and get it.

I've caught over 10 bass on that alone over the last year...including a 7 and 10lb largemouth. So sad.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby KnightoftheRoc » Fri May 18, 2012 3:34 am

Caenus wrote:A very sad day a month ago...wife and I decided to go fish an urban lake nearby. I had just restrung my reel and as we set up I tied on my "lucky" creature bait. Green and black with green craw/frog tail. I cast it out, and it just kept going...and going...apparently I F'd up the knot. I watched it splash down near the middle of the lake and contemplated for a full 5 minutes whether I wanted to wade out and get it.

I've caught over 10 bass on that alone over the last year...including a 7 and 10lb largemouth. So sad.

Anyone who's been fishing for any amount of time has likely been there, done that, and can feel your pain. I know I have.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby JesterODX » Fri May 18, 2012 7:39 am

KnightoftheRoc wrote:
Caenus wrote:A very sad day a month ago...wife and I decided to go fish an urban lake nearby. I had just restrung my reel and as we set up I tied on my "lucky" creature bait. Green and black with green craw/frog tail. I cast it out, and it just kept going...and going...apparently I F'd up the knot. I watched it splash down near the middle of the lake and contemplated for a full 5 minutes whether I wanted to wade out and get it.

I've caught over 10 bass on that alone over the last year...including a 7 and 10lb largemouth. So sad.

Anyone who's been fishing for any amount of time has likely been there, done that, and can feel your pain. I know I have.


Lost my favorite brim popper when something larger ate it. Turrle I think...

Alright, you darn people have me wanting to go fishing. Its been a long time. But I think I might have to head out to the lake.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Busted Arse » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:03 am

maddmatt wrote:Structure. Points, drop-offs, bush piles, river channels, rock piles, and grass beds, find structure and you will usually find the fish.


This! Best advice in this thread.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DvlsToy » Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:37 am

Actually the Bass Pro in my area has a decent ten dollar rod that splits in two, I've used that one quite a few times and am impressed for the price. however you still need to buy a reel.

I like the Ugly Stick that I picked up at Walmart awhile back for 25 bux. Usually my go to for fishing in the area. Got it spun with spiderwire, and an extra spool with lighter clear line for when we go after perch.

I've also got a 5 piece rod/reel in a case that my gf picked up at the flea market that I've put the main essentials into and it stays in the trunk of my Firebird (where there is very little space to begin with), just in case I ever need it. I haven't seen these multi piece rods anywhere but at the flea markets recently though, so when I find another I may add it to a BOB.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby tookieblueeyes » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:50 pm

To go along with my tackle 101 video that I already posted for you to check out and learn a little more about the differnt lures that are used in fishing I have also recently completed some videos illustrating and explaining how to tie the 8 different basic knots that are used while fishing. You may want to check them out as well because I would hate for you to lose a fish from using a faulty knot. I don't know if you know how to tie any of these knots but I thought I would help out and include them in my post so that you can learn new tricks or just reinfoce the ones you already know :)

All of these videos are probably a minute long, maybe a few seconds more, but not much more than a minute.








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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby silversnake » Mon Jun 18, 2012 2:56 pm

Tookie, very nice videos. Thanks for sharing. I knew some of those knots already (see, something did stick from Cub Scouts) but learned a few new ones.

Now that I think I know what I need for gear to drop a line into the local pond and try my luck, I'll run it by the collected wisdom here. At the local Target, I found a $20 "basic fishing kit" that featured a 2-part Ugly Stick rod (5-foot), spinning real with line, and an assortment of common lures and hooks. Seems like a good place to start unless anyone's got a "don't do that, it's crap that just falls apart despite the name" story. Now I just need to get the free time to actually go out and fish. Maybe next weekend.....
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby tookieblueeyes » Mon Jun 18, 2012 4:46 pm

silversnake wrote:Tookie, very nice videos. Thanks for sharing. I knew some of those knots already (see, something did stick from Cub Scouts) but learned a few new ones.

Now that I think I know what I need for gear to drop a line into the local pond and try my luck, I'll run it by the collected wisdom here. At the local Target, I found a $20 "basic fishing kit" that featured a 2-part Ugly Stick rod (5-foot), spinning real with line, and an assortment of common lures and hooks. Seems like a good place to start unless anyone's got a "don't do that, it's crap that just falls apart despite the name" story. Now I just need to get the free time to actually go out and fish. Maybe next weekend.....


I have mixed feelings about those "Set-um-ups" (that's what I call them)

As far as the Ugly Stick goes

Pros
•Virtually unbreakable in normal use
•Good performance for the money

Cons
•Experienced anglers will want more sensitivity
•Heavier than all-graphite poles

"One Field & Stream reviewer set out to break seven fishing rods, and only the Shakespeare Ugly Stik survived until he finally ran out of weights at 55 pounds. The durability, seven-year warranty and low prices have helped make the Shakespeare Ugly Stik popular for more than a quarter century." - Consumer Search Reviews

My personal expirience with the Ugly Stick is not a bad one, however, it did break off on my while reeling in what I am assuming had to be a very large fish. I never saw it because it never broke the water surface, all I know is I had it half way in to the bank and the rod just snapped in half. The line held up but I had to cut the line because the whole ordeal was getting out of control after the rod snapped. To this day... I wonder how big that fish was but after some speculation and discussion with a few friends about where I was fishing and their own expiriences at that spot and with the bait I was using the consensus seems to point towards it having been a very large blue or channel catfish.

If I were going to give you a good solid reccomendation of rod it would be the Eagle Claw. http://www.eagleclaw.com/
The eagle claw is a rod I first learned on and my father stood by %100. I have seemed to follow along those lines and I stand by Eagle Claw %100 myself.
I have never had a problem or an issue with the Eagle Claw brand of rod or fly rod and I regularly use both. The Eagle Claw I currently use is over 12 years old and besides a little penny sized area of lost paint, it still holds strong and pulls in some pretty heavy bass, walleye and even a pike once.

Now if you go for the "Set-um-up" then my advice would be to respool your reel with some heavier test line. The line they generally use on the stock reels are weak and flimsy, its the first place the manufacturer will cut a corner, so pick yourself up a spool of 10lbs test weight fishing line and respool the reel before you head out to your local fishin holes. Doing this will save you some disappointment. If you hook a fairly decent sized fish and the line snaps that would be a huge let down and I would hate to have that happen to anyone, especially a newly interested and learning soon to be angler like yourself. So lets stop that from happening at the front door and respool your reel.

There are some useful pieces in that "set-um-up" fishing kit though, regardless of what some may say.

The jigs that look like these:
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are useful in catching crappie, bass, wiper, trout and some other species of fish so it wouldn't be a total bust going in for the kit.

Worms are great if you want to "sit-n-fish" but I have had very little luck with Power Bait but in some cases it works. Trout seem to particularly go for Power bait that is garlic or shrimp scented. Salmon Eggs are also great bait too. SOmetimes I will stick a salmon egg on the end of a lure hook and get better results depending on the season, the location and the species I am after.

You never go wrong with a Panther Martain either :)
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So go ahead and try your hand with the "Set-um-up" kit you are talking about. It's only $20 and you gotta start somewhere.
Just get better line on the reel and buy one or two extra Panther Martins that aren't included in the kit they set you up with.
Once you get comfortable with your fishing holes and your rod n reel and the lures you choose then you will work up the ladder from there and soon start feeling out better ways to get your hands on a fish dinner! :)

Good luck and when I get more fising 101 videos done (Im doing a whole fishing series as requested by some of my regular viewers on youtube) I will post them here in your thread so you can browse over them and pick up what you find useful and helpful :)
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby MasterMaker » Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:28 pm

DaleGribble wrote:
Caenus wrote:This is where fishing gets fun...the endless options for tackle.

I've never caught a fish on a senko worm, but I catch them all day on powerworms.

I havent caught anything on a powerworm since back in the day, but likely for lack of trying hard enough! Different strokes for different...fish....

More power to ya, I wish I could still get the same results with powerworms, Yamamato charges whatever he wants for those senkos!

Something I picked up and am waiting to try:
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Fishing "yoyos" or automatic fisherman. Theyre on spring tension and once pulled, they well start reeling themselves in. Not sure how well they'll work, but in a survival situation, I cant imagine a better way to fish all night.


Thank's for that one.
http://www.survival-gear.com/yo-yo-fishingreel.htm

I know that if I have to survive on a rod and reel, I will loose weight(and I live next to one of the worlds best saltwater fishing locations(literally)).

Bow fishing however is(for me anyway) a much safer bet.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Thu Jul 05, 2012 10:51 pm

Beforeeven getting to try my fishing yoyos I seem to have broken them. I. Was playing around with them just pulling it then letting it reel in and all the sudden they seem to have backlashed themselves into oblivion. I cant really tell how to pick it out but it seems that either these arejust goddawful or there may need to be tension on the line while its reeling. Either way I'm confused...
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Evan the Diplomat » Sun Jul 08, 2012 1:23 pm

1. If you want to feed you family on fish, you'll need some dynamite.

But seriously, it comes with practice, technique and luck. Don't be discouraged when you don't get a single bite. There will be days like that. Once I was fishing in the same boat, casting in the same patch of water with almost identical bait for Peacock Bass in Venezuela with this Brit semi-pro fisherman called the Fish Finder (here is his TV show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa0wVBSFUpc ) and he was catching 10 fish for every one I caught. Frustrating.

Aside from carp and cat fish most of the fish people go after are predators. Bass, trout, pike, even pan fish are hunting something. So where are the fish? Look along the edge. Lions will stalk along the edge of the waterhole. Bass are no different. Small fish, frogs, salamander will be close to the fallen log, pier or weed bed. Bass will be patrolling along the edge looking for the fish that gets a little too far out. The shadow of an overhanging tree branch is an edge and provides cover from predators.

In moving water look for the edge between fast and slow moving water. Trout will be in the slower moving water behind rocks sticking their heads out to feed on treats that are carried down stream.

Does a stream or creek feed your lake or pond? That's an edge carrying baitfish or insects into the main body of water. Twilight is an edge between night and day. My experience is more fish are caught then than between 10-AM and 2-PM when the sun is highest and fish are more vulnerable to predators.

Go to your library and check out "Fishing For Dummies" an easy and fun read. As mentioned before a two piece Zebco 33 or Shakespeare UglyStik comes with everything you need to start and should not set you back more than $30 bucks. Watch the many great videos already mentioned and also start googling the names of lakes, streams and ponds in your area, people will often post fish reports once they are home. It helps to show a patter of what fish were biting where and they might even say the time of day.

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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby mough » Sun Jul 08, 2012 2:09 pm

I skimmed through, and I haven't seen much about species specific fishing

Fishing for bass, is going to be way different than fishing for trout or fishing for walleye.

I learned to fish by having various coworkers teach me. Every time a new guy at work says he likes to fish, I offer to go with him. It seems everyone has some unique trick to teach. Whether it be a technique, a new fishing spot, a new knot to tie etc.

Just last winter a new guy taught me how to float fish for steelhead. We caught some monsters, and they were good eating too. Fishing in - degree weather isn't quite what I would call fun, but I definately learned something new.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby NamelessStain » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:43 pm

I've said this in other threads, but look into jugging. In SC, we can have 2 from dusk til dawn with a basic fishing license and can get an option for up to 50. If you ever watched swamp people on history channel, Glen and Mitchell always seem to be jugging for catfish or gar.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Sun Jul 08, 2012 3:59 pm

NamelessStain wrote:I've said this in other threads, but look into jugging. In SC, we can have 2 from dusk til dawn with a basic fishing license and can get an option for up to 50. If you ever watched swamp people on history channel, Glen and Mitchell always seem to be jugging for catfish or gar.

A good point. In my state, you cant use live bait jug fishing, but I'd be interested trying it as Im certain its a productive, easy, and unattentive way to fish. Good news is almost anywhere you go near water you'll be able to find a jug, so just a couple hooks and some line in your kit would be enough, with bait of course.

Mitchell and Glenn caught a bull shark on a jug recently! Love "Swamp People".
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby silversnake » Sun Jul 08, 2012 7:10 pm

DaleGribble wrote:
NamelessStain wrote:I've said this in other threads, but look into jugging. In SC, we can have 2 from dusk til dawn with a basic fishing license and can get an option for up to 50. If you ever watched swamp people on history channel, Glen and Mitchell always seem to be jugging for catfish or gar.

A good point. In my state, you cant use live bait jug fishing, but I'd be interested trying it as Im certain its a productive, easy, and unattentive way to fish. Good news is almost anywhere you go near water you'll be able to find a jug, so just a couple hooks and some line in your kit would be enough, with bait of course.

Mitchell and Glenn caught a bull shark on a jug recently! Love "Swamp People".
RIP Mitchell!


I too am a fan of Swamp People and was very sorry to hear of Mitchell's passing.

Jugging does look like a relatively low-energy way to fish (rather like setting snares for small game) but you need a boat to collect your jugs and anything you may have caught. For now, I'm limited to tossing a line from the bank. I've got some honest to goodness vacation time coming up soon and will be trying my hand at it for the first time since the Cub Scouts.


While we're talking fish, out of curiosity, anyone here ever noodle for catfish? That looks alternately fun and dangerous as hell.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby NamelessStain » Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:33 pm

silversnake wrote:I too am a fan of Swamp People and was very sorry to hear of Mitchell's passing.

Jugging does look like a relatively low-energy way to fish (rather like setting snares for small game) but you need a boat to collect your jugs and anything you may have caught. For now, I'm limited to tossing a line from the bank. I've got some honest to goodness vacation time coming up soon and will be trying my hand at it for the first time since the Cub Scouts.


While we're talking fish, out of curiosity, anyone here ever noodle for catfish? That looks alternately fun and dangerous as hell.



Well I don't think a boat is necessary, you can just tie it off to a tree or something with some paracord unless of course you are catching 50# fish.

Yea, noodling isn't done everywhere. Gators means no noodling for me.
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby DaleGribble » Mon Jul 09, 2012 10:00 pm

Noodling is actually illegal in most states IIRC
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby Crazy Wolf » Thu Jul 12, 2012 4:01 am

DaleGribble wrote:Noodling is actually illegal in most states IIRC

And foolish in all of them. What's worth more to your survival, a hand or a catfish?
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Re: OK, please school me on fishing

Postby tookieblueeyes » Sun Jul 15, 2012 5:30 pm

Crazy Wolf wrote:
DaleGribble wrote:Noodling is actually illegal in most states IIRC

And foolish in all of them. What's worth more to your survival, a hand or a catfish?

Noodling may seem foolish but Native Americans have fished for catfish in this way long before white man ever set foot on American soil and they HAD to do it for SURVIVAL to FEED themselves AND their families. Besides... catfish in this country don't have teeth that can rip a whole hand off... their gums are lined with raspy pads that are suited for grabbing and holding onto their meals so your knuckles are gonna get scraped up like you rubbed them rough on a piece of sandpaper, but they aren't going to rip your hand off like a bull shark and 5 yards! They may take a finger, that is possible if you have a big enough one on hand, and if they are good fighters and stronger than you are and you aren't smart enough to know when the hell you should let go then they could drown you... yes... but that is where you have to remember to noodle responsibly and know when to hold um and know when to fold um like Kenny Rogers would say in the Gambler :)

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