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Fun with pigs!

Postby outwardhound » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:14 pm

My first post here, although I joined almost two years ago. Thought I’d briefly share my experience in raising two feeder pigs as part of my drive to live a more self-sufficient lifestyle. Let me preface this with I’m new to this lifestyle and have no background in agricultural at all and this was (and is) a learning experience for me. All comments, suggestions, and recommendations are welcome!

I bought two recently weaned Berkshire x Duroc female pigs for $40.00 each in mid-October 2011 from a family that raises show quality pigs for 4H, FFA, that kind of thing. My idea was to raise them to butcher weight, which most references I read were 240-280 pounds. My readings lead me to believe I’d be having fresh ham for Easter 2012. So, yeah, here it is June and I just got my freezer filled up.

I live on 20 acres of rocky limestone in central Texas. My property perimeter isn’t fenced, but I had an area about 100 by 60 feet I had previously fenced off for my dog and a pet potbelly pig. I divided this area in half and put the piggies in this lot with an oversized dog house type shelter I built for them. I tried to imagine two 240 pounds hogs when I was constructing it and used 4x4 treated lumber for the base built over paving stone floor topped with a horse stall mat, topped with hay for bedding. Worked well, for a while. They ate the hay. They ate the burlap door flap I made. They chewed the mat. They pulled out the paving stones from under the house! They yanked boards off it…it’s still standing now, but will need major repairs and modifications for the next batch of pigs that comes through. My fence building skills also turned out to be less than optimal for two hogs. What was great for a Great Pyrenees and a pot belly was woefully inadequate for two hogs. I was repairing and redneck engineering the fence on a daily basis, but I managed to keep them contained while finishing them out - just barely though!

Keeping fresh water was a chore. When they were little it wasn’t any trouble to fill their bucket a couple times every day. As they grew, I bought progressively larger buckets. The last one was a 55 gallon rubber tub from Tractor Supply. They were dumping it and wallowing in the resulting mud. They were getting in it after wallowing in the mud. They oddest thing was they’d pick up mouth sized rocks, submerge their heads, and roll the rocks around in their mouths – I have NO idea what that was about. At any rate, emptying, cleaning, and refilling a 55 gallon tubs several times a day turns out to be a lot of work. Especially when the hogs are grabbing the hose, head butting you, and generally being a nuisance. I’ve since seen various water nipples and fountain waters designed for hogs and KNOW that is the way to go in the future.

Feeding was much the same. I started out with one pan they would share. I quickly graduated to bigger and bigger pans, buckets, and tubs until I could partially fill one while they ate at another. And no matter how many tubs or buckets I had filled, they both had to eat at the same one at the same time and would fight and flip the dang thing over. It would have been easier to simply pour their food directly on the ground, because that’s where it inevitably ended up anyway. They wasted a lot of food this way. I’ve since looked at specially designed hog feeders and will definitely get one, even though they are a bit pricy.

As far as the economics of this enterprise, I did ok - I think. I bought commercial bagged food and supplemented with all the leftovers from my family’s meals. At an average of $10.60 per 50 pound bag I spent close to $400 on the feed (my pet potbelly was eating a part of this) and I had them customed butchered at a meat market in a nearby town at a cost of just over $400. So, not counting the fencing or lumber for their house, I spent a total of approximately $880 and now have a freezer packed (and I do mean packed!) with about 500 pounds of pork chops, sausage, ground pork, ham, ham steaks, ribs, pork roast, and, of course, bacon! So, by my reckoning, I got all this meat for about an average cost of $1.80 a pound. Cheaper than the grocery store.

The best part though, for me, is the satisfaction of doing most of it myself and knowing the hogs were humanely treated and free from any artificial hormones, antibiotics, and other crap. They grew up in the sunshine and fresh air. Only one of them ever got sick and it only lasted one day. Oh, and I should mention I have a huge pile of pig poop composting for my garden.

Things I learned. Probably should’ve been obvious but anyway…
…hogs are strong, they’re freaking strong! Huge mass, low center of gravity. They can easily take you off your feet. Their snout is flexible and strong. It is a living shovel. Their lot looks like a rototiller went over it repeatedly every day – no vegetation is left – they ate it all including Spanish dagger & poison ivy! And when I say all, I mean all the plants and of the plant, including the roots. They pulled up rocks from underground I could barely lift.
…two hogs for one family is too much. I have no idea what I’m gonna do with 500 pounds of pork?! Why the hell did I buy two pigs? They were cute...they needed each other’s company, hmmm so although my cost is less than store bought I’ll probably end up giving some away to friends and co-workers.
…making a 300 pound hog get in the back of a trailer when she doesn’t want to is a fight. Making two them at the same time was impossible. I ended up keeping (and feeding) one another few weeks because I failed to realize this.
…I lowballed their weight using a tape measure method I found on the internet. The formula was right but I just refused to believe they were getting that big so quick and thought my measurements were off, but then again, wrapping a tape measure around a hog isn’t the easiest thing I’ve ever tried to do.I ended up with my hogs over 300 pounds each.
…invest in proper equipment. It would have been so much easier.

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Fun with pigs!

Postby wee drop o' bush » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:56 pm

Interesting post, I farm sheep but have no experience in keeping pigs.

Could you sell the surplus pork? I'm not sure about food safety regulations, but if it's ok to do so that would earn you some money :)

I think if you're doing this again then you're right you need an easier way to get food & water to them.

Good luck for the future & keep the updates coming.

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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby Tank Woman » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:17 pm

Its been years since I raised hogs, but from reading your post what popped into my head was that they were bored. Pigs are very intelligent and providing "toys" like blocks of wood to chew on and throw around, durable balls, maybe even a tire - although I'd find out if that's safe for them. Plus, pigs with light skin do better when they have a wallow. They use the mud as sunblock and it also helps keep parasites down.

ETA: about the hog nipples...we use chicken nipples (teehee) and they are the shit.
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby outwardhound » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:56 pm

wee drop o' bush wrote:Could you sell the surplus pork? I'm not sure about food safety regulations, but if it's ok to do so that would earn you some money


I wish I could...but the meat processer clearly marked each package "not for sale" so out of luck there. I think I might be able to do a little bartering with my neighbors though - ones a welder and could help with my fences and such.
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby outwardhound » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:59 pm

Tank Woman wrote:Its been years since I raised hogs, but from reading your post what popped into my head was that they were bored. Pigs are very intelligent and providing "toys" like blocks of wood to chew on and throw around, durable balls, maybe even a tire - although I'd find out if that's safe for them. Plus, pigs with light skin do better when they have a wallow. They use the mud as sunblock and it also helps keep parasites down.

ETA: about the hog nipples...we use chicken nipples (teehee) and they are the shit.


I think you're right about them being bored. On one occassion I left an empty 2 liter soda bottle in their pen and they were tossing it up in the air and taking turns chasing it. They were quite interesting creatures and it was a great expereince.
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby mariposa » Sun Jun 03, 2012 11:49 am

outwardhound wrote:
wee drop o' bush wrote:Could you sell the surplus pork? I'm not sure about food safety regulations, but if it's ok to do so that would earn you some money


I wish I could...but the meat processer clearly marked each package "not for sale" so out of luck there. I think I might be able to do a little bartering with my neighbors though - ones a welder and could help with my fences and such.

Is there a nearby food bank that would take such a donation?
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby outwardhound » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:09 pm

Donation is an excellent suggestion. I'll check in to that first thing Monday.
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Postby wee drop o' bush » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:05 pm

outwardhound wrote:Donation is an excellent suggestion. I'll check in to that first thing Monday.

That's a fantastic idea, I bet the pork you reared is delicious :)
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby KYZHunters » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:37 pm

Nice girls. If you decide to do this again, try this hog watering tank from nesco http://www.enasco.com/product/Z09308N
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A couple of years ago, they switched to a poly tank and my girls destroyed it in 48-hours; happy to see they switched back to galvanized.
The good thing is that this is handy for all kinds of livestock as well, easy for goats, sheep and even chickens to drink from it.
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby DarkAxel » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:40 pm

Nice write-up! Raising pigs is about the only way I get my hog meat anymore.

My advice?

Find someone who does their own butchering and learn how to do it yourself, that's what I did! A write-up I did a couple years ago (Click Me)

Also, if you stop the bagged feed and hog slop a couple of months before killin' time and feed them straight corn, the meat changes flavor and gets much sweeter, and the hog will get a nice layer of fat built up under it's skin (great for cracklins and rendering lard)
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby RogerK » Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:22 am

outwardhound, hogs will do better with 2 of them (from my limited experience). They are social animals.

What you do is get some one to purchase the live hog from you and you haul it to the butcher (they pay the downer and processing for their hog). That way, they get fresh pork, you get some of your expense paid for.
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby outwardhound » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:31 pm

Excellent advice from all...I should have check in here first and tapped the collective wisdom before starting this project!
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby Crazy Wolf » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:26 am

DarkAxel wrote:Nice write-up! Raising pigs is about the only way I get my hog meat anymore.

My advice?

Find someone who does their own butchering and learn how to do it yourself, that's what I did! A write-up I did a couple years ago (Click Me)

Also, if you stop the bagged feed and hog slop a couple of months before killin' time and feed them straight corn, the meat changes flavor and gets much sweeter, and the hog will get a nice layer of fat built up under it's skin (great for cracklins and rendering lard)

I heard that feeding them on apples for the weeks/months before slaughter will have a similar beneficial effect on their taste. Maybe if you live near an apple orchard, you could work out a deal to get the rejected/fallen apples, maybe in exchange for a pig?
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby deMaccusweil » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:20 pm

If I get fully grown pigs for my windfall apples, I am planting orchards!!
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Re: Fun with pigs!

Postby colinz » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:44 am

RogerK wrote:What you do is get some one to purchase the live hog from you and you haul it to the butcher (they pay the downer and processing for their hog). That way, they get fresh pork, you get some of your expense paid for.

Here in NZ quite often you can sell your livestock through a homekill butcher. Cutting rates and slaughtering fees do vary, so if you go this route it's worth comparing a few different places. Another option would be to offer a 'cashie' for someone who's a butcher to chop them up for you.

I've only raised two piggies thus far. They were my landlords pair and I did most of their feeding/care. I cannot remember them getting sick at all, and they were pretty much free range once they were big enough to not get under the properties perimiter fence. Feed consisted of a bucket of kitchen scraps from a local restaurant every two-three days, whatever grass/roots they could forage and in winter their feed was supplemented with cooked Barley nearly every day (sat the pot ontop of the fireplace, so cooking was 'free').

If I was doing it again, I would definitely ring their noses as it really does help stop them digging up the ground a lot.

Probably due to the constant contact with people, my two were extremely friendly, and used to follow me on my rounds of the property along with my dog.

ETA: The water/slops troughs we were using were old concrete ones. They sat about a foot high, were about a foot across and 3-4 feet long, neither of the pigs could tip one over, and once they were out of the pen their feed was just dumped straight on the ground.
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