Netherlands: If it ain't Dutch it ain't much

[Coop]

or whatever you'd prefer to call a group of people that willingly live below sealevel.

I think 'Bunch of idiots' is the correct term for that...

I'd like a dutch chapter, I'm willing to help out wherever I can, but with a Coop v2.0 expected to arrive later this year, I doubt that between my 13h work days and the upcoming kid, I'll have enough time left to do anything...

So, if anyone does decide, after reading the earlier post about why a chapter in NL would be a bad idea, and completely against better judgement, to start a dutch chapter, count me in for whatever time I can spare...

[Smallhold]

As for the name of a Dutch chapter? Well, following traditional Dutch naming conventions would probably lead to something like: "Vereeniging der Volkschbescherming, Veurbereiding en Kameraadschap". (Beste effect wordt bereikt met het inbeelden van de stem van het Polygoon journaal.)

Grinnik, die man van het Polygoon had een prachtige stem. Niet van dat gemompel of geneuzel dat je nu soms hoort.

Anyho', do you have to be a chapter to informally "ergens effe een bakkie doen"? Platter kan het niet he?
Apart from the trafficjams, the non-driving trains and suspicious natives, Dutch tend to be highly inividualistic. Get a few together for a chapter and you have a recipe for endless poldermodel bickering.
But smart enough to know you can discuss things vis-a-vis over a Hema tompouce that you wouldn't discuss otherwise.
Me, I'm never too old to learn more but have done enough gathering of info to appreciate the finer details of a conversation.

Coop, congratulations on the expansion of the Coop tribe.

[HettheGrey]

reporting for duty!

chapter anyone?

[Smallhold]

Middelburg eh? As luck would have it, I'll be in Vlissingen this weekend.
I could squeeze a cup of tea in somewhere sunday afternoon perhaps?

[HettheGrey]

at utrecht for the weekend, geeky warhammer stuff to do

what are you doing in vlissingen anyway?

[NoName]

Another dutch lurker here.

I'd be interested in a dutch chapter too, although I haven't got a lot of time to spare. But well, its for the greater good!

[Lynxian]

Another dutch lurker here.

I'd be interested in a dutch chapter too, although I haven't got a lot of time to spare. But well, its for the greater good!

*Low voice*
THE GREATER GOOD!

Yeah, Hot Fuzz reference, there.


And why is it that we Dutch people (myself included - no one feel offended ), despite having more spare time than most other nationalities on here, we have less time to spend on things like these?

Sarcasm aside; welcome! Anything in specific that drew your attention to ZS?

[NoName]

Exactly! The greater good!

Maybe we're just bad with time-management or have other priorities (Television! Smoking weed! Hanging around! Or any other national "activity"). I'm a pretty boring bloke, so my excuse is work and (soon) a part-time study.

Thanks for the welcome. What brought me here.. I guess its the combination of wanting to be prepared for anything and a good taste for bad movies (both involve zombies). I lurked around for a while, but liked the idea for a dutch chapter so much that I set my usual shyness aside .

[Marinus]

Bump, because I found a suitable Dutch BOL.



It could harbour the whole Dutch Chapter and there would be enough space left to do some serious agriculture. If you Destroy the bridges/levy's first you only have to clear out several hunderd zombies and after that you could stay there forever. It's also right next to highground when the flooding starts. The fortress won't flood, it was build centuries ago with flooding in mind. The 200 feet churchtower is perfect as a retreat when the fortress is breached, although that's hardly possible.

[Lynxian]

Bump, because I found a suitable Dutch BOL.



It could harbour the whole Dutch Chapter and there would be enough space left to do some serious agriculture. If you Destroy the bridges/levy's first you only have to clear out several hunderd zombies and after that you could stay there forever. It's also right next to highground when the flooding starts. The fortress won't flood, it was build centuries ago with flooding in mind. The 200 feet churchtower is perfect as a retreat when the fortress is breached, although that's hardly possible.

Heh, spend some more time on Google Earth. You'll find that most old Dutch fortress towns are actually very suitable for BIL/BOL purposes, for the reasons you mentioned as well as that most of our fortress towns wer created with the whole purpose of keeping the good people in, and the bad guys out. Quite frankly, it's the advantage of being a nation that, in the past, has always been besieged and was formed out of necessity (just google for the Union of Utrecht ) to keep the enemy out.

[Marinus]

Heh, spend some more time on Google Earth. You'll find that most old Dutch fortress towns are actually very suitable for BIL/BOL purposes, for the reasons you mentioned as well as that most of our fortress towns wer created with the whole purpose of keeping the good people in, and the bad guys out. Quite frankly, it's the advantage of being a nation that, in the past, has always been besieged and was formed out of necessity (just google for the Union of Utrecht ) to keep the enemy out.

That's true, but this one has the best defenses if i'm correct. It also has acces to many waterways wich is important considering the fact that NL would go down in one nasty trafficjam, not to mention the flooding wich would render the road network almost useless But NL does have many, many other great BOLs. Wich is only fair because doomsday would hit The Netherlands particularly hard. More then half of the country would simply turn to lakes and swamps.

[Lynxian]

That's true, but this one has the best defenses if i'm correct. It also has acces to many waterways wich is important considering the fact that NL would go down in one nasty trafficjam, not to mention the flooding wich would render the road network almost useless But NL does have many, many other great BOLs. Wich is only fair because doomsday would hit The Netherlands particularly hard. More then half of the country would simply turn to lakes and swamps.

That's all very true. But, on the other hand, the dreafdul irony is that while we would loose half the land, the survivors would be helped with all the new lakes and swamps. They'd be getting easy access to fish and birds and, like you mentioned, new waterways.

And yeah, it'd be quite though to find a better fortress than Naarden. Still, we might find some fortresses around old defense lines such as de Grebbelinie.

[Marinus]

That's all very true. But, on the other hand, the dreafdul irony is that while we would loose half the land, the survivors would be helped with all the new lakes and swamps. They'd be getting easy access to fish and birds and, like you mentioned, new waterways.

The painful side would be that most Dutch don't have any survival skills at all. Disaster Preparedness Dutch Style:

Go inside
Close Doors and Windows
Turn on TV & Radio

With the recent addition:
Get out your survivalpack ( =2 candles, a roll of toiletpaper and a roll of candy)

And yeah, it'd be quite though to find a better fortress than Naarden. Still, we might find some fortresses around old defense lines such as de Grebbelinie.

Depending on the catastrophe there are many other possibilities. Naardenvesting isn't the best place to do more then a decent of bit agriculture. With the fortress alone you only could support 100 or so. Defending the place with 100 people would be hard to pull of.

[TEC9man]

Really, the Dutch! Name one war you've won since the early 1800's! Every time I've read about the Dutch in any UN action, they ran better than they fought!

[Marinus]

Really, the Dutch! Name one war you've won since the early 1800's! Every time I've read about the Dutch in any UN action, they ran better than they fought!

At least i don't sell insurances for a living. Please die...

[Lynxian]

Really, the Dutch! Name one war you've won since the early 1800's! Every time I've read about the Dutch in any UN action, they ran better than they fought!

Ah, so an American general recently named one Dutch UN mission where it went wrong and now we're a bunch of pansies, eh?

A better idea is that if you come kicking in the door, you better give a list of all recent military actions the Dutch were in (not just limiting to UN missions, but all Dutch military operations since the 1800's: good luck!) and then go ahead and name the ones were we ran and how this is related to this thread. Since what you're doing right here would be the same as us dropping a favorite thread of yours (this one, for example) and out of nowhere start about the bedwetting people of Wisconsin.

[TEC9man]

Really, the Dutch! Name one war you've won since the early 1800's! Every time I've read about the Dutch in any UN action, they ran better than they fought!

At least i don't sell insurances for a living. Please die...

Man, you really suck at insults And by the way I haven't sold insurance for a few years.

[Marinus]

Man, you really suck at insults

Or, and this is far more likely, you aren't worth the bother of coming up with a decent insult.

[TEC9man]

I'm just jerking your chains. I love the Dutch. At least you guys aren't French. Now there's a bunch of pansies. I am a follower of colonial history and you guys kicked ass in Central Africa and I respect that. At least you guys don't have a communist for a president that when running for president claimed he was a middle of the road guy. Pretty soon both our countries will be on the same level. As far as not being worth insults, I agree with you. Have fun here guys.

[Lynxian]

Random bit of neatness for us Dutch; The Ministry of Defense has released a video with explanation on the Navy's rescue mission to relieve the German tanker Taipan of the pirates that had held it hostage. Video yay-ness over here. (For non-Dutch: all text and explanation is in Dutch; 10 pirates were arrested, none hurt or killed, to be handed over to German authorities. The beginning of the video shows (in both video and audio) a nice amount of weapons fire; this is covering fire for the landing Marines and the 'clearing' of the ship's bridge. Ship's crew were hiding in a safe room and emerged unscathed after the Marines had completed clearing the ship.)

[Marinus]

Well, the marines/navy makes me proud after all.

[Riekie]

Another Dutchie reporting for duty.

I'm glad i found the Zombie Squad, it's good to know i'm not alone in this zombie infested country.

Are there enough Dutch members for a Dutch Chapter ?

[Lynxian]

Another Dutchie reporting for duty.

I'm glad i found the Zombie Squad, it's good to know i'm not alone in this zombie infested country.

Are there enough Dutch members for a Dutch Chapter ?

Well, if this flow of Dutch people keeps up, there might be enough in a few months.

And welcome! What made you join ZS? (Asides from the obvious zombie stripper perks.)

[Marinus]

Welcome Riekie.