MoH-Epic special forces beards anyone??

[ODA 226]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?114762-United-States-SOF-pics&p=4670371#post4670371

You know what I noticed? In all of the pictures in this thread, and in the linked thread, one thing seems sadly evident to me. These, our best, most highly-trained operators, out there in the real world risking their lives for us, are sadly under-equipped. Not one of them has been able to acquire even one piece of ACU/UCP gear! Why are stateside REMFs issued this newly-developed pattern, while the guys in combat have to make do with ancient 3-color DCUs or even buy their own, obviously inferior MultiCam, or should I say Airsoftpat, which we all know isn't any good in real combat and is just for fanboys. Won't someone make sure our best troops get the latest gear?

(I know some of the pics linked to in militaryphotos.net predate ACU, but not most of them.)

The ACU is the WORST camo ever. It lights you up like a pop-up target on a KD Range! My guys usually only wear them in Garrison.

[Black Mantis]

I am sorry but you are hopelessly incorrect. The medics are not important. The real two important things SF guys have are beards and a steely gaze. This seems quite evident if you study the pictures closely.

[Jeriah]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?114762-United-States-SOF-pics&p=4670371#post4670371

You know what I noticed? In all of the pictures in this thread, and in the linked thread, one thing seems sadly evident to me. These, our best, most highly-trained operators, out there in the real world risking their lives for us, are sadly under-equipped. Not one of them has been able to acquire even one piece of ACU/UCP gear! Why are stateside REMFs issued this newly-developed pattern, while the guys in combat have to make do with ancient 3-color DCUs or even buy their own, obviously inferior MultiCam, or should I say Airsoftpat, which we all know isn't any good in real combat and is just for fanboys. Won't someone make sure our best troops get the latest gear?

(I know some of the pics linked to in militaryphotos.net predate ACU, but not most of them.)

The ACU is the WORST camo ever. It lights you up like a pop-up target on a KD Range! My guys usually only wear them in Garrison.

The blue means sarcasm. I hate ACU, too.

I've seen it work okay in some environments, like inside a well-lit store, but I've never seen it excel. MultiCam, IMHO, is the best "universal" camo I've seen, but any of the region-specific patterns like BDU/DCU/MARPAT are going to kick ass in their intended AO.

[KnightoftheRoc]

SF does some great work that RA just isn't designed/trained for, and I don't mean shooting people.

I'm glad you said that but here's a question for you or anyone else that wants to take a guess at it!:

"What are the two assets that an SF Detachment has that no one else does, that is almost GUARANTEED to establish immediate rapport with an indigenous people or a G force?"

You other SF types can't play! Give it some thought and let me know what your answer is!

Craig

I was gonna guess Beer and Syphilis...

[Murph]

You can never trust a man who only fights for money.

But, good luck getting the Afghani's to fight on your side for anything else.

You know they've NEVER been on our side.

So true, so true.

[Kutter_0311]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?114762-United-States-SOF-pics&p=4670371#post4670371

You know what I noticed? In all of the pictures in this thread, and in the linked thread, one thing seems sadly evident to me. These, our best, most highly-trained operators, out there in the real world risking their lives for us, are sadly under-equipped. Not one of them has been able to acquire even one piece of ACU/UCP gear! Why are stateside REMFs issued this newly-developed pattern, while the guys in combat have to make do with ancient 3-color DCUs or even buy their own, obviously inferior MultiCam, or should I say Airsoftpat, which we all know isn't any good in real combat and is just for fanboys. Won't someone make sure our best troops get the latest gear?

(I know some of the pics linked to in militaryphotos.net predate ACU, but not most of them.)

This is a joke, right Jeriah? Or a quote from someone else, jokingly posted here?

There has only been one environment I've seen ACU work, and that was a couch...

Stateside REMF's can keep the ACU, they have need of nothing better...

[Hoot Harrington]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?114762-United-States-SOF-pics&p=4670371#post4670371

You know what I noticed? In all of the pictures in this thread, and in the linked thread, one thing seems sadly evident to me. These, our best, most highly-trained operators, out there in the real world risking their lives for us, are sadly under-equipped. Not one of them has been able to acquire even one piece of ACU/UCP gear! Why are stateside REMFs issued this newly-developed pattern, while the guys in combat have to make do with ancient 3-color DCUs or even buy their own, obviously inferior MultiCam, or should I say Airsoftpat, which we all know isn't any good in real combat and is just for fanboys. Won't someone make sure our best troops get the latest gear?

(I know some of the pics linked to in militaryphotos.net predate ACU, but not most of them.)

This is a joke, right Jeriah? Or a quote from someone else, jokingly posted here?

There has only been one environment I've seen ACU work, and that was a couch...

Stateside REMF's can keep the ACU, they have need of nothing better...

Think he already stated the blue means sarcasm.

[Kutter_0311]

Think he already stated the blue means sarcasm.

Oh. Roger that...

[ODA 226]

Doesn't DavePal look like MoH-Epic SF Beard Dude here? LOL!:

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[Jeriah]

You can never trust a man who only fights for money.

But, good luck getting the Afghani's to fight on your side for anything else.

You know they've NEVER been on our side.

So true, so true.

That's what they say about us, too.

Seriously, why does anyone expect another country to be on "our" side, any more than they should expect us to be on their side? The leadership of any nation is going to to what's best for their own nation, if it's a good leader, or for their own family, ethnic group, or faction, if it's a shitty leader. NATO countries aren't "on our side," they're on their own side, which happens to dovetail nicely with our side.

Individuals in a country are going to look out for their own self-interest. If they can be persuaded that victory of one side over another will be in their best interest, they may support that side. If not, they can be persuaded by payment or other incentives, but this is less ideal since they'll just be working for pay, not victory.

This is why, by the way, I am in favor of avoiding civilian casualties by any means necessary, tight ROE, humane treatment of captives, etc. (I mean, besides general human decency.) If we take a casual attitude about, "Well, he shouldn't have been standing next to my target," we're not doing a good job of convincing the locals that an American victory is in their best interest. Any time a squad of American teenage shitheads, unfit to wear a uniform but doing so anyway, break into a house and rape a local girl (it happens from time to time), they turn that entire village against us. They're recruiting for the enemy, and should be prosecuted as such.

Well, that was an unexpected rant. Oh well.

[Murph]

TL;DR - Probably off topic of the thread.

[whisk.e.rebellion]

An off topic and political rant

Dude, c'mon. You know that political shit doesn't fly here. On top of it all, this is a fucking video game thread. VIDEO GAME. PRETEND. MAKE BELIEVE.

[Jeriah]

An off topic and political rant

Dude, c'mon. You know that political shit doesn't fly here. On top of it all, this is a fucking video game thread. VIDEO GAME. PRETEND. MAKE BELIEVE.

I didn't intend it as political, and don't believe that it was. The topic of Afghans fighting for money and nothing else, and not "being on our side," came up, and that was my reply. No politics was intended nor, I felt, actualized. Sorry if it came off as political, again, that's not how I intended it, nor how it sounds to me.

It was, however, off the topic, so we can all return to the topic of beards and video games now.

Edit to add: P.S. Happy birthday! Shouldn't you have the day off?

[Gigas]

An off topic and political rant

Dude, c'mon. You know that political shit doesn't fly here. On top of it all, this is a fucking video game thread. VIDEO GAME. PRETEND. MAKE BELIEVE.

I didn't intend it as political, and don't believe that it was. The topic of Afghans fighting for money and nothing else, and not "being on our side," came up, and that was my reply. No politics was intended nor, I felt, actualized. Sorry if it came off as political, again, that's not how I intended it, nor how it sounds to me.

It was, however, off the topic, so we can all return to the topic of beards and video games now.

Edit to add: P.S. Happy birthday! Shouldn't you have the day off?

Justice never has the day off.

[Hoot Harrington]

Anyone here actually plan on buying the game?

[whisk.e.rebellion]

Edit to add: P.S. Happy birthday! Shouldn't you have the day off?

Shit, man. It's 90 days before I can even ask for a day off

Back OT: I might buy it...since it's finally not a rehash of the same WWII game.

[Jeriah]

http://www.duffelblog.com/2012/04/penta ... ctiveness/

[Kutter_0311]

He continued, “Xegis Solutions had several teams of researchers embedded with these troops to make observations on their combat effectiveness. The results were overwhelming, out of the 50 soldiers with beards, zero were wounded or killed and they had a significantly higher accuracy of fire than the soldiers without beards. The soldiers lacking beards had a higher rate of weapons malfunctions and basically, shit went wrong most of the time.”

CENTCOM wasted no time establishing a new rule forcing males to grow beards.

Commander Gen. James E. Mattis issued a statement to all troops in combat zones.

“The time has come for the Armed Forces to accept the facts, and the facts are that beards save lives. All this time it was speculated that Green Berets were better because of their superior and intensive training while in fact, most of it had to do with beards.”

There’s no doubt that many in the Special Forces community will be angered, but General Mattis is convinced.

“It’s settled science. In light of this information we will enforce a rule requiring all males to wear at least one inch of facial hair at all times. Furthermore, any females able to grow facial hair are encouraged to do so as well.”

Gimli: It's true you don't see many dwarf army women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for dwarf army men.
Aragorn: [whispering] It's the beards.
Gimli: And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no dwarf army women, and that dwarves hoo-ahs just spring out of holes in the ground!
[Eowyn laughs]
Gimli: Which is, of course, ridiculous.

[majorhavoc]

Gimli: It's true you don't see many dwarf army women. And in fact, they are so alike in voice and appearance, that they are often mistaken for dwarf army men.
Aragorn: [whispering] It's the beards.
Gimli: And this in turn has given rise to the belief that there are no dwarf army women, and that dwarves hoo-ahs just spring out of holes in the ground!
[Eowyn laughs]
Gimli: Which is, of course, ridiculous.

At which point Commander Gen. James E. Mattis falls off his wayward tank. "Alright; no one panic. It was deliberate!"

[Kutter_0311]

[Niblick]

Kutter that shit is hilarious.

[Kutter_0311]