Weapons belt - **Completed**

[Phoenix David]

In the process of building a weapons belt and this is what I have on order so far (no pics yet)

ATS War belt Coyote Brown
ATS War Belt Insert Coyote Brown
ATS Suspenders Coyote Brown
ATS Single Pistol /Surefire/leatherman pouch Coyote brown for a multi-tool
Triple M4/Triple Glock pouch Coyote Brown

Probably will be getting:

Maxpedition Rollypoly dump pouch
Tactical Light Holster w/DOH SR Loop for a Sig P226R w/TLR1
FAK
Flashlight and holder - to be determined

I don't want to end up with a 30 pound belt and want to keep it balanced. I am thinking I need to add a single pistol mag holder for quick access while the other three will not be as quick access. Might want a another Triple M4/Triple Glock pouch Coyote Brown to balance things a bit, but concerned about overall weight.

Comments, observations, experiences?

[BobtheBreaker]

Comment: Wouldnt it be cool if ATS would just sell the belt, insert and suspenders as package for like $50-$60. Like a War Belt Combo meal.

[Haji]

What's the difference between that and ordering the pieces separately? I don't get it; am I missing something?

One of my homeboys runs a triple/triple on the left side of his war belt, towards the front. He likes it enough that he's got three different colored rigs set up the same way. He also runs an ATS roll up dump pouch and small medical pouch. My rig is a little simpler, as I only run an speed mag pouch on it-mine's by Safariland, but Blade Tech makes a similar one I like about as well-and a double and single pistol mag pouch. I also have a small medical pouch that occasionally finds its way on there. Homeboy and I both run Safariland ALS holsters, but the Blade Tech DOL is a nice rig.

I haven't seen much in the way of Kydex or plastic pouches for a flashlight that I like, but there are some decent MOLLE compatible pouches that work well.

[BobtheBreaker]

What's the difference between that and ordering the pieces separately? I don't get it; am I missing something?

About $15 and a half dozen mouse clicks.

[Murph]

Maybe a fix blade knife?

And why two flashlights?

Here's some of my thoughts about the topic in general though:
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=61809

[Phoenix David]

Maybe a fix blade knife?

And why two flashlights?

Here's some of my thoughts about the topic in general though:
http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 18&t=61809

One flashlight is attached to the pistol, but wondering if there may be a need for a flashlight but not drawing the pistol...

[-Jason-]

Maybe a fix blade knife?

And why two flashlights?

Here's some of my thoughts about the topic in general though:
http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 18&t=61809

One flashlight is attached to the pistol, but wondering if there may be a need for a flashlight but not drawing the pistol...

A valid question. I know a lot of people in the LE community have a handheld and pistol mounted light because its not always a good idea to go poking around with your light that has a gun attached to it. Sometimes, you just need the light.

[Phoenix David]

Maybe a fix blade knife?

And why two flashlights?

Here's some of my thoughts about the topic in general though:
http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 18&t=61809

One flashlight is attached to the pistol, but wondering if there may be a need for a flashlight but not drawing the pistol...

A valid question. I know a lot of people in the LE community have a handheld and pistol mounted light because its not always a good idea to go poking around with your light that has a gun attached to it. Sometimes, you just need the light.

While not LE I am wondering if it would be a good thing to have, as I do EDC a LD10.

I think this will mainly be used for range and training, and when the SHTF to go with my tac vest.

[Murph]

I read an article (blog maybe?) one time about the "spill light" from muzzle mounted weapon lights, and that most (Surefire, etc.) are powerful enough to light up a room even at low ready.

While "spill light" would prevent friendly muzzle sweeps. It still illuminates your weapon and makes you out as a target to both bad guys, and good guys not expecting to see an armed citizen. They didn't mention that in the article.

Edit:
Found the blog article:
http://blog.lmsdefense.com/2010/01/sinc ... -gear.html

[jrossetti]

You can get any number of really decent flashlights with a small enough form factor, light weight, and bright enough that you wouldn't even know the second light is there. Dealextreme has a ton, for example.

[Phoenix David]

I read an article (blog maybe?) one time about the "spill light" from muzzle mounted weapon lights, and that most (Surefire, etc.) are powerful enough to light up a room even at low ready.

While "spill light" would prevent friendly muzzle sweeps. It still illuminates your weapon and makes you out as a target to both bad guys, and good guys not expecting to see an armed citizen. They didn't mention that in the article.

Edit:
Found the blog article:
http://blog.lmsdefense.com/2010/01/sinc ... -gear.html

Yeah flashlights are double edged swords.

[Phoenix David]

You can get any number of really decent flashlights with a small enough form factor, light weight, and bright enough that you wouldn't even know the second light is there. Dealextreme has a ton, for example.

I'd probably end up with something from Fenix or 4Sevens, yes I have drank the Kool-Aid.

[Hoot Harrington]

I really like that 3 M4/ 3 Glock mag pouch. Definitely looking forward to pics.

[Dave_M]

You probably won't need the suspenders with that load out.

[Whiskey]

I have an ATS war belt, and run an M9 in a SERPA, fixed blade, Maxpedition roly poly, and two M9 mags, and still wish I had the suspenders.

[Phoenix David]

You probably won't need the suspenders with that load out.

My main thinking was for maybe figuring out how to attach some hydration system to it, and I had the cash figured might as well get it now.

figure the load out will increase once I wear it and see how it feels and see how much is comfortable

[Haji]

I prefer suspenders with the War Belt. Makes putting it on and taking it off easier, distributes the weight a little more, and they don't weigh much at all. Plus, it allows me to wear more nylon, which makes me feel much more tactical.

[Dave_M]

I prefer suspenders with the War Belt. Makes putting it on and taking it off easier, distributes the weight a little more, and they don't weigh much at all. Plus, it allows me to wear more nylon, which makes me feel much more tactical.

I suppose that part of my preference has to do with the fact that most of the time, if I'm wearing a war belt, I also have on some kind of chest rig. Layering all of those straps and shit on top of each other isn't exactly the most comfortable thing in the world (plus you take off your chest rig and end up with suspenders coming off of your shoulders and yadda yadda)

[RatDrall]

You probably won't need the suspenders with that load out.

My main thinking was for maybe figuring out how to attach some hydration system to it, and I had the cash figured might as well get it now.

figure the load out will increase once I wear it and see how it feels and see how much is comfortable

Hydration system could be the Rollypolly with a few bottles of water in it. The small Rollypolly holds 1L of water, in bottles or a Nalgene. The Medium holds 2L, I've done it with 4 x 500ml bottles of water.

I agree with the second flashlight, bulbs break and batteries drain. The last time that I "needed" a light I was underground a few levels. My surefire bulb burned out on me and I got stuck underground in the pitch black with two friends. We had to feel our way out. I now always carry a second light, even if it's just a AAA Maglite on a keychain...

[J.C.]

Stupid question. Are the "open" pistol mag holders really only used for competitions like IDPA? Most belts I've seen have covers over the pistol mags.

I have a simple rig I keep under my bed with a kydex holster and mag holders. This is really just a home invasion defense kit not something I'd wear around outside but something I can strap on my PJs and carry a sidearm in addition to the shotgun I'd be defending our "barricade" with.

[Phoenix David]

My two cents on that is it depends on your preference and what activity are you going to be doing and how fast do you need access to the magazines.

If I was out hiking I'd probably go with a magazine holder that had a retention, for shooting matches and CCW I would opt for no retention on the magazine holder.

I plan on using this belt for any shooting matches so I will have at least one magazine holder that just keeps the magazine in with friction.

[Murph]

Stupid question. Are the "open" pistol mag holders really only used for competitions like IDPA? Most belts I've seen have covers over the pistol mags.

Short answer... No, not just competitions.

Long answer... Open tops are used in competitions for time. Seconds count in the real world too. However, in the real world people are often concerned about retention of their mags. Dropping your mags by accident into the toilet or in a gun fight, can generally ruin your day. My opinion is that it's up to your own personal opinion with what you're comfortable.

Extra answer... Coolest pistol mag pouch I've ever seen is a reverse flap (opens closer to your body) so you can use it flap or open top. AND it had magnets sewn into the fabric to provide extra retention.

[RatDrall]

Seconds count in the real world too. However, in the real world people are often concerned about retention of their mags.

People also hide behind things while reloading, in the real world where targets shoot back, if they can

[J.C.]

Seconds count in the real world too. However, in the real world people are often concerned about retention of their mags.

People also hide behind things while reloading, in the real world where targets shoot back, if they can

Yeah if you don't take cover before engaging your target, you will either survive the fight with your first mag or you won't survive.