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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:45 pm

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ETA The first one ( canvas one ) Those strap buckles are for show. It's held shut with magnets
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Stercutus » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:48 pm

I find that buying leather on Amazon is like going to a fast food place. It is cheap, doesn't last long, never looks as good as the ad picture and you end up with regrets.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by moab » Wed Sep 11, 2019 10:56 pm

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I find that buying leather on Amazon is like going to a fast food place. It is cheap, doesn't last long, never looks as good as the ad picture and you end up with regrets.
The only thing leather I ever bought on Amazon that turned out good. Was a $10 steering wheel cover. That's about all I would risk on leather. But I think that first backpack is actually waxed canvas. Which probably means heavy. If I had to choose I'd so go with the other one.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by moab » Wed Sep 11, 2019 11:01 pm

This is on sale at less than half price. And is sort of a combination of discreet tactical and normal backpack. It is made by 5.11 and is called "tactical". But it doesn't look that tactical to me. It has fabric molle just on the top. No place else. And comes in a subdued color. Or light blue. 5.11 makes bulletproof packs. I would highly recommend them. My RUSH 12 is the best backpack I've ever owned. But I don't know. May still be to tactical for you.

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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by MPMalloy » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:42 pm

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Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:46 pm
You might try Kelty Redwing packs on the used market. I think they used to come in subdued colors. And are a half assed combination of military pockets with civilian looks.

Maybe it's the sniper training I received in the Marine Corps. Or the simple cover, concealment and camouflage training I received as a Marine. But personally I don't think it's gonna matter what your backpack looks like. It's gonna be whether you have one or not. If you have one, no matter what it looks like, your going to be a target. Just like if you have a rifle you're going to be a target. Assuming you're talking about baddies trying to take your stuff.

This argument of always going gray man has never made sense to me. As if you don't have the stuff your going to die. And if you do have the stuff - you need a backpack to put it in - and if someone is going to try take it it's not going to matter whether it's in a civilian pack or a military one. Stuff a bad guy needs is going to run the gamut from water to food to ammo. Which you might find in anyone's civilian or military backpack. If I'm looking to steal from people. I'm going to simply try every person with a pack on. As those people prepared and have the stuff I need. I'm not going to be looking at packs and thinking "man that pack has MOLLE webbing! I'm going to avoid all these civilian packs and just hit the people with MOLLE webbing! As they are going to be the only ones with the stuff I need!". No. Anyone with a pack is going to be a target.

Your best bet is to remain hidden as much as possible. And have the means to defend yourself. Type of backpack isn't going to save you. But a bright color is going to stand out in any environment - so I applaud you on your choice of color. Camouflage or at least a subdued color is your friend. Unless you intend to stay in an urban environment. Which I would avoid. Nothing good happens in an urban environment in a disaster or a PAW. And trying to play greyman in the countryside is sort of worthless. I personally will be staying off of roads and even trails. And will remain hidden from 95% of the general population that has never had any military training.

But again, I understand and can deploy cover and concealment. Certainly while trying to get out of the city you don't want to wear camo fatigues and look like the military. I'd save those for when you get out of the city and into the countryside. And it doesn't have to be military camo. It can be civilian camo if that makes you feel more comfortable. I have civilian clothes to get me out of the city. And camo to blend in to a brush or woods environment. And light packable civilian gear for if I ever have to reenter a city.

If someone wants to take your stuff. They're just going to shoot you from a hidden place as you walk down the street or a wooded trail or road. Like from an ambush position. And you're going to walk right into. If I was you I'd get some training and learn how to move thru the countryside unseen as much as possible. It's a real eye opener as to what you can and can't do to keep from getting shot.

When I say "means of protecting yourself" I come back to the old axiom "don't bring a handgun if you can bring a rifle". And if you have a rifle there's no hiding that. So whatever backpack you choose doesn't matter anyway. Unless you conceal the long gun in a backpack. Which isn't very deployable. (Having said that - I can fit a full sized AK in my backpack with a strong folding stock. But that would only be to conceal it while in town or something. Or someplace I wanted to pass thru. That I felt safe enough to do so without a long gun. But that you don't want to advertise that you have one. A very finite situation. Think trying to get out of town during martial law. You might sneak out with your long gun in your backpack if necessary. Otherwise you're traveling by the cover of night. At which time I'd want a rifle at the ready anyway.)

If it's gotten so bad that people are out trying to steal your stuff. I'd want a rifle at the ready. Not in my pack. Or a trashbag that's gonna break open. Or a crusty old duffle bag you can't carry for very far. I say don whatever is going to carry your stuff. Move like a recon unit hi -dden as much as possible - and avoiding as much as possible. And if you run into people bad enough that they are going to try to steal your stuff. Be ready to avoid or engage. Otherwise you're just going to be a victim. As they're going to be robbing or killing anyone with a pack. It doesn't matter to them.

That's my two cents. I know you didn't ask for it. But... lol. :)
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 pm

I agree with just about everything Moab stated, But I do want to point out that if you live near a military base. GI is probably more grey man than a Dora the explorer backpack. They are ubiquitous . My GHB is a surplus assault pack and packs like mine are literally everywhere in my AO.

That said I totally disagree with Stercutus. I never regret fast food :awesome:
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Evan the Diplomat » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:15 pm

flybynight wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 pm

That said I totally disagree with Stercutus. I never regret fast food :awesome:
Then you've never eaten at Checkers.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Stercutus » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:20 pm

Evan the Diplomat wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:15 pm
flybynight wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 pm

That said I totally disagree with Stercutus. I never regret fast food :awesome:
Then you've never eaten at Checkers.
Or eaten a Krystal, whatever the hell that is. I knew better than to eat something that looked like pus but I figured; "What could it hurt?"
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:45 pm

Evan the Diplomat wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:15 pm
flybynight wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 pm

That said I totally disagree with Stercutus. I never regret fast food :awesome:
Then you've never eaten at Checkers.
Have too. Augusta Georgia, . Yum :awesome:
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:12 pm

Looks pretty tasty to me
https://krystal.com/menu/#combos

Perhaps you're not doing it right.

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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:27 pm

Crap now I'm hungry
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Stercutus » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:30 pm

Perhaps you're not doing it right.
The issue was more along the lines of it not doing me right.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by moab » Wed Sep 18, 2019 1:14 pm

MPMalloy wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:42 pm
moab wrote:
Sat Sep 07, 2019 4:46 pm
You might try Kelty Redwing packs on the used market. I think they used to come in subdued colors. And are a half assed combination of military pockets with civilian looks.

Maybe it's the sniper training I received in the Marine Corps. Or the simple cover, concealment and camouflage training I received as a Marine. But personally I don't think it's gonna matter what your backpack looks like. It's gonna be whether you have one or not. If you have one, no matter what it looks like, your going to be a target. Just like if you have a rifle you're going to be a target. Assuming you're talking about baddies trying to take your stuff.

This argument of always going gray man has never made sense to me. As if you don't have the stuff your going to die. And if you do have the stuff - you need a backpack to put it in - and if someone is going to try take it it's not going to matter whether it's in a civilian pack or a military one. Stuff a bad guy needs is going to run the gamut from water to food to ammo. Which you might find in anyone's civilian or military backpack. If I'm looking to steal from people. I'm going to simply try every person with a pack on. As those people prepared and have the stuff I need. I'm not going to be looking at packs and thinking "man that pack has MOLLE webbing! I'm going to avoid all these civilian packs and just hit the people with MOLLE webbing! As they are going to be the only ones with the stuff I need!". No. Anyone with a pack is going to be a target.

Your best bet is to remain hidden as much as possible. And have the means to defend yourself. Type of backpack isn't going to save you. But a bright color is going to stand out in any environment - so I applaud you on your choice of color. Camouflage or at least a subdued color is your friend. Unless you intend to stay in an urban environment. Which I would avoid. Nothing good happens in an urban environment in a disaster or a PAW. And trying to play greyman in the countryside is sort of worthless. I personally will be staying off of roads and even trails. And will remain hidden from 95% of the general population that has never had any military training.

But again, I understand and can deploy cover and concealment. Certainly while trying to get out of the city you don't want to wear camo fatigues and look like the military. I'd save those for when you get out of the city and into the countryside. And it doesn't have to be military camo. It can be civilian camo if that makes you feel more comfortable. I have civilian clothes to get me out of the city. And camo to blend in to a brush or woods environment. And light packable civilian gear for if I ever have to reenter a city.

If someone wants to take your stuff. They're just going to shoot you from a hidden place as you walk down the street or a wooded trail or road. Like from an ambush position. And you're going to walk right into. If I was you I'd get some training and learn how to move thru the countryside unseen as much as possible. It's a real eye opener as to what you can and can't do to keep from getting shot.

When I say "means of protecting yourself" I come back to the old axiom "don't bring a handgun if you can bring a rifle". And if you have a rifle there's no hiding that. So whatever backpack you choose doesn't matter anyway. Unless you conceal the long gun in a backpack. Which isn't very deployable. (Having said that - I can fit a full sized AK in my backpack with a strong folding stock. But that would only be to conceal it while in town or something. Or someplace I wanted to pass thru. That I felt safe enough to do so without a long gun. But that you don't want to advertise that you have one. A very finite situation. Think trying to get out of town during martial law. You might sneak out with your long gun in your backpack if necessary. Otherwise you're traveling by the cover of night. At which time I'd want a rifle at the ready anyway.)

If it's gotten so bad that people are out trying to steal your stuff. I'd want a rifle at the ready. Not in my pack. Or a trashbag that's gonna break open. Or a crusty old duffle bag you can't carry for very far. I say don whatever is going to carry your stuff. Move like a recon unit hi -dden as much as possible - and avoiding as much as possible. And if you run into people bad enough that they are going to try to steal your stuff. Be ready to avoid or engage. Otherwise you're just going to be a victim. As they're going to be robbing or killing anyone with a pack. It doesn't matter to them.

That's my two cents. I know you didn't ask for it. But... lol. :)
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I have my eye on a Kelty Redwing 32. It's within my price range. I thought thehillpeople gear was :awesome:, price point - fuk.

Thank you moab & everyone for your posts. :D
Ya. I'm not a huge fan of HPG packs. But to be honest I haven't looked at any new models in the last year or more. I've only purchased their chest rig or kit bag as they call it. They do have a cool wrap made out of poncho liner type material. But there's a better one on the market for a lot less made by a company I can't recall at the moment. If your interested ask and I'll look it up. It works like a jacket and a sleeping bag of sorts. And will fit under a rain proof poncho. Looks awesome for dry environments. Or winter.

Found it. here it is.

https://www.helikon-tex.com/en_usd/po-s ... oncho.html

They also sell some nice packs. And clothing. All of their gear is priced very competitively. and they have large sizes. Something my 6'3" frame appreciates. I have several of their pieces of gear.

I forgot about their backpacks. These might be up everyone's alley for greyman. Subdued colors and many that aren't military. a large selection too. If you can't find it in stock on their website. Try to the web. Or military1st.com.

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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Asymetryczna » Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:01 pm

Moab, apologies for the delay. I was in STA at the same time but on the East Coast. (Unus Supra; More privately if you desire). School seats for 1st & 2d MARDIV and Quantico, and ARS, were difficult and good platoons provided much of the same training in house. Visited some of the same places through the years. I laughed at the thought of the AN/PPS 15A GSR. Some of the equipment back then was rudimentary compared to now. I'm glad to read that you were able to use the training in transitioning to civilian work, whether in film or investigating. Hopefully, you get to speak with some of the young 03's to inform them that there is more to life than standing guard in dangerous places. I definitely understand you better.

Totally agree with Flybynight WRT ubiquity. Alone, anyone and especially a group may be interested in your "pack" and engage with the Melian Dialogue. (the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must). Increasingly, it would appear that the larger problems might begin in locations where there are larger groups of people. In this case one would NOT want to be the guy or gal where your average observer would notice and scream, "There he (or she) is" because they want something you have.

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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by moab » Tue Nov 05, 2019 2:27 pm

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:01 pm
Moab, apologies for the delay. I was in STA at the same time but on the East Coast. (Unus Supra; More privately if you desire). School seats for 1st & 2d MARDIV and Quantico, and ARS, were difficult and good platoons provided much of the same training in house. Visited some of the same places through the years. I laughed at the thought of the AN/PPS 15A GSR. Some of the equipment back then was rudimentary compared to now. I'm glad to read that you were able to use the training in transitioning to civilian work, whether in film or investigating. Hopefully, you get to speak with some of the young 03's to inform them that there is more to life than standing guard in dangerous places. I definitely understand you better.

Totally agree with Flybynight WRT ubiquity. Alone, anyone and especially a group may be interested in your "pack" and engage with the Melian Dialogue. (the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must). Increasingly, it would appear that the larger problems might begin in locations where there are larger groups of people. In this case one would NOT want to be the guy or gal where your average observer would notice and scream, "There he (or she) is" because they want something you have.

All opinions appreciated. One bag is never enough for every scenario.
Funny you mention this. The president of a company I'm working with was talking with me yesterday. And he was in a STA platoon. lol. Yes. Some of the equipment was laughable. I remember giving classes on the NOD unit we had. It must have weighed 120lbs. NOD stood for night observation device. It was a huge night vision scope basically. About a foot and a half or two feet around. With a HUGe wooden tripod.Thing was ridiculous. I do remember the ground sensors being pretty killer. Some were small like two D batteries small. With a flat antenna that whipped out when you thru them. If you dropped them behind you. You could listen to the ground and tell if anyone was coming. Or you could set them up for a hasty ambush. And they didn't weigh much in your pack. We also had a large radar that you could detect (with some training) everything from tanks to men on foot. Then there were the ground sensors we'd drop from helicopter into the dirt. Then they were listened to from miles and miles away in these big tractor trailers. And yes, we shot a lot too. And spent a good amount of time in the field. And cross training with everyone from EOD to Philippine Marines in the jungle. It was pretty great for a jarhead. Normally you'd be digging foxholes and sleeping in them. And that's it. But if you had a high IQ and test scores you got to do some very interesting stuff.

"One bag is never enough for every scenario."

No truer words spoken. lol. I do own packs that aren't camo. ;)
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:36 pm

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Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:01 pm
Moab, apologies for the delay. I was in STA at the same time but on the East Coast. (Unus Supra; More privately if you desire). School seats for 1st & 2d MARDIV and Quantico, and ARS, were difficult and good platoons provided much of the same training in house. Visited some of the same places through the years. I laughed at the thought of the AN/PPS 15A GSR. Some of the equipment back then was rudimentary compared to now. I'm glad to read that you were able to use the training in transitioning to civilian work, whether in film or investigating. Hopefully, you get to speak with some of the young 03's to inform them that there is more to life than standing guard in dangerous places. I definitely understand you better.

Totally agree with lybynight WRT ubiquity. Alone, anyone and especially a group may be interested in your "pack" and engage with the Melian Dialogue. (the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must). Increasingly, it would appear that the larger problems might begin in locations where there are larger groups of people. In this case one would NOT want to be the guy or gal where your average observer would notice and scream, "There he (or she) is" because they want something you have.

All opinions appreciated. One bag is never enough for every scenario.
Just about the assault bag blending in when AO is near military base ? Or also never regretting fast food? ( including checkers … ummmm Tommies chiliburger )
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Post by Asymetryczna » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:22 pm

Flybynight. Blending. You totally get it. In a world where everyone is trying their best to get noticed, I don't pay that much attention to 'grey man' talk. It's not that hard. The last 2 weeks I have been driving on the interstates in VA, 95, 64, 81... the decals people have on their vehicles can tell an entire story. This is just my opinion.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by moab » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:30 pm

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Flybynight. Blending. You totally get it. In a world where everyone is trying their best to get noticed, I don't pay that much attention to 'grey man' talk. It's not that hard. The last 2 weeks I have been driving on the interstates in VA, 95, 64, 81... the decals people have on their vehicles can tell an entire story. This is just my opinion.
Ya. I don't wear any logo tshirts. Or put bumper stickers on my car. I would describe my lifestyle as low key for sure.

Although I do notice a Marine Corps sticker on a car once in awhile. And I think "I wonder if people steer clear of an ex Marine when looking for an easy mark?". I kind of think those stickers work. I'd sift thru an abandoned car with a Marine Corps sticker. Not sure I'd mess with one with a dude in the car though. lol.

Now a Navy sticker? I'd definitely mess with that guy. ;)
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:57 pm

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Flybynight. Blending. You totally get it. In a world where everyone is trying their best to get noticed, I don't pay that much attention to 'grey man' talk. It's not that hard. The last 2 weeks I have been driving on the interstates in VA, 95, 64, 81... the decals people have on their vehicles can tell an entire story. This is just my opinion.
Yea I'm weird that way. Everything I do is nondescript. No decals on vehicle. No political signs or slogans on front yard. Most of my shirts are work wear blue, Plain jeans . solid Black or grey sneakers or brown boots. Carhart brown jacket. Never open carry. Never too loud or too quiet. Boring... Nothing to see here. These aren't the droids we're looking for.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Asymetryczna » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:01 pm

I fight hard to prevent drawing full conclusions. But I do collect one premise after another. If I make it to the end of a sting I try to remember the completion and consequence. In the old language, it was called a stereotype, ancient Greek for "firm impression." "Stereotype," in a funny way, is being made to seem like a bad word today, as if you could observe something 86 times out of 100 and be wrong in what you observe. It's an interesting time, but often ridiculous.

It's an opinion.

This is perhaps the un-ending discussion. I hope. If people argue their tactical-non-tactical bag we should see a lot of carriers and reasoning and that benefits everyone. Put yourself with in in a large group or small. Ask question. Explain. Argue, defend, have fun.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Asymetryczna » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:08 pm

Sorry, work tough clothing is mainstream. Still have Carrhart from high school. But they just opened their largest stores in Manhattan. And Brussels.
Popular is appearing as working class outdoorsmen...even over a $18 martini at Cielo. Ooops. That means you would appear as an everyday normal guy. Add a celebrate Taliban beard to appear really rough.
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by flybynight » Tue Nov 05, 2019 8:53 pm

Sorry guys. I work and hang out with cowboys and farmers. It's popular in Manhattan cause guys around here wear it while gathering cattle on horseback , four wheeler or baling hay . My tactical bag was a yellow tag special from Goodwill . Picked from about a dozen cause the name stenciled on it made me smile. STINCER. I prefer to believe it's pronounced with a hard C. :awesome:
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Re: Tactical bags that don't look like tactical bags?

Post by Stercutus » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:32 am

flybynight wrote:
Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:12 pm
Looks pretty tasty to me
https://krystal.com/menu/#combos

Perhaps you're not doing it right.

I always miss In N Out . But all summer long I been Jonseing for a Tommy burger. A double chili cheese to be exact, Oh man.... Hurt so good :awesome: :awesome:

https://originaltommys.com/our-menu
I told you it never looks as good as the picture. It looked more like a used maxipad than that picture.
You go 'round and around it
You go over and under
I go through

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