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Modern and practical camo clothing. What to choose?

Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:00 am

Hi guys.
I am trying to set aside som money to buy more camo clothing. I hunt and enjoy camping in the woods but all of my clothing for this purpose are getting old and some of it are worn out. I have my eyes on some helikon clothing which I discovered online, but I am sure there are a lot of other brands out there which are just as practical. I have always just used old army surplus clothing but studying modern military clothing it is easy to see that there has been a lot of progress. Helikon (and probably a lot of others) offers very practical solutions regarding the numbers of pockets and the placement of these. I also like that there are a lot of velcro for ZS patches :wink:

Would like to get names on other brands that offers clothing similar to helikon as this is the only brand I know of at the moment which offers military style, modern clothing at a reasonable prices. Seems like all clothing specifically made for hunting are a LOT more expensive than military style.

I am also very confused regarding what kind of camo pattern, I am currently looking into (polish)woodland, multicam and FG patterns. FG were completely new to me and might be a pattern made by helikon only? (I suspect you all know what multicam and woodland looks like ;) ) The colors in nature varies a lot so it is hard to find something that is usable in spring, summer and autumn. I have snow camo so I'm covered there. Is it better to have brighter colors than the surroundings if you have to be either brighter or darker? I think I remember being learned that in my old army days, but I might remember wrong?

Any help on finding other brands or choosing camo would be appreciated :D

Here is an example of a light jacket in FG that I am considering:
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Here are a few examples of my local nature during summer and early autumn:
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Re: Modern and practical camo clothing. What to choose?

Post by JeeperCreeper » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:01 am

With you being in Scandinavia, my post may not apply. I like regular hunting camo for a few reasons:
1. Patterns like "mossy oak infinite" and "real tree" are very cheap at most retailers, getting a whole outfit for maybe $50 USD for everything.
2. I don't like the militaried camo because I feel it is made for mass production and makes you look like a "weekend warrior mall ninja" type.

But if I had money, I would look at Sitka camo for field gear. I am also a huge fan of Kryptek camo as it is a good all around blend of "hunting" and "military" camo.
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:15 am

Mossy oak and a few others are available pretty cheap here too, but hunting clothes are very dark in colors as they are ment to be used in the autumn and not the summer.
Is my assumption that you are better camo'ed with brighter colors than your surrounding compared with being dressed too dark correct?

Mass production is not a problem in itself? Is your point that mass produced clothing are of lower quality maybe?
I get your point about the mall-ninja problem. But I think that non-hunters and people with no military experience might not care if it is mossy oak or another kind of camo? At least if it is not a pattern regularly used by our army or what they see on tv all the time. Green uniforms are unusual now anyways as "all" wars are being fought in desert camo ;)

I will absolutely look into this kryptek camo, thanks for the heads up! :)
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:16 am

Have been browsing internet for pictures of kryptek pattern for a while, it looks awesome but it would be more suitable for mountain use I think, since it has a fair amount of white in it. Very cool pattern but probably not the best match for my terrains.
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Post by DeadCanadian » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:06 am

What are your laws? In Canada if you are hunting most animals with a gun you have to wear a blaze orange vest and hat. I think if you are duck hunting you may use just camo, I think camo can be worn during bow hunting during non-rifle season.

Check your local laws to see if you can wear all camo or need a bright safety colour like in Canada.

I'd go with hunter camo or just regular outdoor clothes in earth colours.
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Re: Modern and practical camo clothing. What to choose?

Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:09 am

We have no laws about clothing at all while hunting, I know this for sure. In Norway we need to get a license to hunt, and it's just as much theory as getting a drivers license.
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:12 am

Lol! That could be interpreted as if it is ok to hunt naked(which it in most cases would be :P ) But my point was that you can dress all camo or whatever you want without breaking any laws.
People are starting to wear like a bright colored cap of their own free will nowadays though, but I don't think there will be any laws about it any time soon.
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Re: Modern and practical camo clothing. What to choose?

Post by cricketdave » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:02 am

In your area from your pics I'd be looking at multi cam tropic, atacsfg, vietnam tiger stripes and woodland camo. There are quite a few companies that make good versions too, Truspec does multi cam tropic and atac-fg, Proper does tiger stripes better than truspec, and woodland well thats all over the place. Helicon does make a good quality pant i've had several pair and I like the pocket placement. Ur-tactical.com makes a very well done camo too, the pockets are very nicely laid out and just a bit better than Helicon, they are a bit more expensive.
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:33 am

Thanks for the info and I will look into this! :D Several of those patterns are new to me, so I will have to do some surfing on the net.
But I am still wondering about when you have to compromise, is it best to be darker or brighter than your surroundings? I find this a bit important as the nature are a lot brighter in the summer but then everything gets darker during autumn and in the winter if there is no snow.
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Post by cricketdave » Sun Oct 12, 2014 11:53 am

The atacfg has more light spots on it than multi cam tropic or tiger stripes, however I have found all three to blend very well. One of the things I've noticed from the truspec line is that the colors tend to fade faster than proper or Ur-tactical. The Ur-tactical in particular seem to last better with less fading, it is quite a bit more expensive though.

This is Atac fg
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This is Vietnam tiger stripes
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I don't have a pic of the Multicam tropic. Browse the Ur-tactical site they have some good pics of the patterns too.
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Post by cricketdave » Sun Oct 12, 2014 12:06 pm

Also the old french lizard pattern would work very well in your area too, harder to find though. The Greek military uses a version of it thats pretty good now.

Here is a really horrible pic, wife just couldn't get the focus to work that day but you can see how the colors blur you out.

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Here is a better pic of the pattern, just ignore the guns an knives lol
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and a similar closer up pic of the tiger stripes
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:13 pm

Thanks dude, that was very helpful! :D
Tiger stripes are very dark but by far the best looking pattern. Nice photos, and yeah sure I will ignore the knifes and stuff.. :lol:
Got to look into that atacfg too, seems to be a bit more green in that pattern than the lizard one. Will check out all of your ideas and write more afterwards. Thanks again :)
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:23 pm

That atacfg pattern seems to be the same one that I posted a photo of in my first post? Seems to be a good pattern!
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Post by cricketdave » Sun Oct 12, 2014 1:49 pm

Yes it is I was just trying to show you how it looks in the actual outdoors. Its hard to tell just from looking at stock pics. It does work very well.

You might also look at http://appliedorange.com in the netherlands they make high quality camo in various patterns too. The Pencott green zone pattern would also work well in your area.
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 2:39 pm

Ah, I see. Well it was great to get to see pictures of it in the outdoors :)
That other shop seems a bit expensive but I will take a closer look for sure!
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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 3:28 pm

Found a photo of the older Norwegian camo pattern, here seen on a coat with a Norwegian primate inside, both in their natural habitat! :lol:
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It is very good camo for the terrain but it the coat is very heavy and I wish to have something lighter for warmer weather.
(This kind of behavior is perfectly normal in this country btw, so don't be alarmed :rofl: )

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Post by hondo » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:35 pm

Have you tried just simple green http://www.armysurplusworld.com/product ... uctID=6794
Because simple olive green or green works perfect in woodland environment,

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Post by Krieger » Sun Oct 12, 2014 7:53 pm

If you look at the photo of me going all primate you will see that my pants are not camo and I know it works, it's just a bit boring maybe?
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Post by cricketdave » Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:50 pm

Green does work ok but it is boring I understand that. My first field uniforms were Od greens years ago, they don't stay green long in the field. There are just so many more interesting camo's to choose from now.

Here is a pic of multi cam tropic in grass
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and a better pic of the atacsfg look past the stuff on top lol
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Post by JeeperCreeper » Sun Oct 12, 2014 10:58 pm

Here's a site that might give you some ideas and info. It is written about the US camo trials for our soldiers. Also note, it is written by the guy who designed one of the competing camos (US4CES camo pattern) so it is biased, but it definitely gives some good info.

http://www.hyperstealth.com/camo-improvement/index.html

I also agree with you statement about the camo being lighter, especially with the pictures you show. You don't want to look like a giant shadow running around. I like that field jacket you have posted in the first post, I think that is a good fit to your environment.

Edit: I figure I would post the stores to my favorite camo patterns: Kryptek, Sitka, and Hyperstealth (who has like 100s of variations):

http://www.hyperstealth.com/deceptex/

http://www.sitkagear.com/products/big-game

http://www.kryptek.com/kryptek-camo-patterns/
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Post by Kutter_0311 » Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:25 am

From the look of your pictures, MARPAT or CADPAT might fit in really well. See if you like them.
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Post by Krieger » Mon Oct 13, 2014 8:53 am

Thanks for all the info guys! I should have mentioned from the start that digital camo makes me dizzy, haha. I think I am too old for that kind of camo, I'm a bit old school. But they seem very effective, I thought this kind of camo were more of a "Call of Duty/Battlefield" playstation thing, but it's a real thing after all :lol:

At the moment the FG pattern is my favourite pattern. Very happy to get a response about it being better to have brighter camo than the environment given if one has to compromise :D

Very hard to ignore all the items on the camo, hehe. How does those survival knifes hold up during hard use? Those blades are just welded to the tube handle or something? I really put my knifes through hell, I always baton when I make fires and I wonder if those hollow shaft knifes could survive that kind of treatment? If so I probably need one because they are beautiful :D
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Post by cricketdave » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:29 am

The Atac fg is actually a digital pattern as well, just better done than most.

The knives are customs from Martin knives of texas, he threads the tang of the blade into the handle and adds a heavy aircraft epoxy to seal it he's never had a handle come off. So they are very tough I've beat the hell out of them with no problems at all they are very capable field knives. I'd recommend them to anyone without reservations. I've battoned and chopped and pried wood apart with them and had no problems at all, they also hold an edge very well. S35vn steel is tough and reasonably easy to sharpen.
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Post by Krieger » Mon Oct 13, 2014 11:58 am

Ok, the helikon FG doesn't seem to be digital? Anyways the colors and pattern seems very good, not at pleasing to the eyes as tiger stripes but that is not as important of course.
Impressive info about the knifes, they sure look good :)
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