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Re: Fighting knife

Post by ninja-elbow » Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:53 pm

I wouldn't say "routinely" snapped in half. Rarely? Yes. Just like any other knife out there is rarely snapped in half, some more than others.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by RatDrall » Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:45 am

ninja-elbow wrote:I wouldn't say "routinely" snapped in half. Rarely? Yes. Just like any other knife out there is rarely snapped in half, some more than others.
I'd say Kabars snap in half way more consistently than anything from the Becker line, ESEE knives, Bark River, Fallkniven, and other properly designed knives that aren't over-appreciated relics.

It would be like comparing a Harley to a Honda Goldwing, and arguing that it is just as reliable - it isn't, even if a lot of people like them and use them more.

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Thunderbolt » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:08 pm

Awesome ideas, everyone!

Thanks for the responses.

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by ninja-elbow » Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:12 pm

I've seen some of them other knives break too. Not as much as a Kabar ($60) or a Mora ($20 at worst) <<< but neither of them really break in the hands of experienced people much either. Took me 15 years to break my Kabar from batoning and that was while batoning incorrectly for 15 years. I don't even like Kabars that much anymore as I think they are too big and clunky.

You can hate all you want but rat-tailed tangs have been around for a long time and work well for many centuries from many cultures over many scenerios.

Also, I'm not calling you out on full tanged knives either. I got some. I'm just saying that full-tanged knives you are espousing are not some knife tech evolutionary point that makes all other non-full-tanged knives obsolete. I can see you have passion and that is good. Just no need to hate on something that don't need to be hated on.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Wed Aug 22, 2012 7:59 pm

I sense something personal here. Can you provide some sources of the USMC Fighting Knife patterns snapping in half where improper batoning wasn't the cause?

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Boondock » Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:17 pm

Doc Torr wrote: Can you provide some sources of the USMC Fighting Knife patterns snapping in half where improper batoning wasn't the cause?
Yup. Please do. Not doubting so much as curious. I've used my Ka-Bar since 1993 and have know many, many people who carried them as well. The chief complaint was the tip breaking off, usually from prying open an ammo can or crate.

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by benmarcos » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:03 pm

I'm Ben Marcos from the philippines.I'm a son of Jason P. Marcos form ilocos philippines.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by maldon007 » Fri Aug 24, 2012 10:13 pm

benmarcos wrote:I'm Ben Marcos from the philippines.I'm a son of Jason P. Marcos form ilocos philippines.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Thunderbolt » Wed Sep 05, 2012 7:58 pm

I couldn't decide on a knife. So I built one.

Here's the thread:

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by ZombieHunter556X45 » Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:30 pm

I personally love my Cold Steel Recon Tanto and SOG Seal CFK's(combat fighting knife). The Cold Steel has a great rubberized grip that grips back. The blade is non-serrated(i prefer non-serrated blades)with a awesome tanto tip for excellent penetration. The backside of the blade is very thick making it very solid and sturdy. The Cold Steel holds an edge very well and also came with an excellent kydex sheath. My SOG Seal is also a very solid CFK, but I dont particularly like the handle. It grips decently but is a hard plactic that has a semi-knurled texture. The blade is serrated and has a great finish. It came with a very nice molle nylon sheath wth sharpening stone storage. I have attached both of them to my Camelbak M.U.L.E assault pack that i picked up at the PX while I was stationed in 29Palms. The Cold Steel is attached to the right srap of the pack and is positioned so that when worn it rests just below my right armpit. It is surprisingly very comfortable and very easy to access. On the left strap of the pack, I have attched a curved mini K-Bar that was originally an ankle knife in a nice pressure retention kydex sheath. I removed the ankle strap and slightly augmented the mount and it rests on the left side of my chest for quick easy access. The SOG Seal is attached to the backside of the pack via the molle system and is surprisingly easy to access. Eventually I would like to get an SOG Seal pup to go with the seal.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by 870 Shell Shucker » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:08 am

Whenever I see people post pics of Machete Knives as fighters, I both wholeheartedly agree that they are awesome, and also seriously doubt that anyone will happen to have that huge knife on them when they need to defend themselves. Unless Mad Max really happens. Then all bets are off.
I sometimes find myself in settings, where it might seem a bit excessive to whip out my Griptilian.

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:17 am

870 Shell Shucker wrote:Whenever I see people post pics of Machete Knives as fighters, I both wholeheartedly agree that they are awesome, and also seriously doubt that anyone will happen to have that huge knife on them when they need to defend themselves. Unless Mad Max really happens. Then all bets are off.
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"Man armed with knife kills hungry bear"

And he did it with a 3.5" blade.

Also: Machete knives? I'm not familiar. Do you buy them with cash money from the ATM machine?
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Redeyes » Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:50 am

ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:Big post with several pics.
So you carry two large knives and a small knife on your assault pack right? Are you planning to also put the SOG seal pup on there when you get it? Also, why so many knives?
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by RatDrall » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:37 am

Doc Torr wrote:I sense something personal here. Can you provide some sources of the USMC Fighting Knife patterns snapping in half where improper batoning wasn't the cause
A google search brings up numerous results:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... arge-Bowie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... Broken-BK2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showt ... id/844145/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.kiestu.com/videopage/on/nZkO_4UnSL8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMebtQgBK6k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_4/285008_.html&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by rikinwyoming » Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:50 pm

I have to give my vote (for what your price range is) to the Becker bk7,,, two tours in the sandbox and never let me down whatever the task...

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Sep 08, 2012 4:26 pm

RatDrall wrote:
Doc Torr wrote:I sense something personal here. Can you provide some sources of the USMC Fighting Knife patterns snapping in half where improper batoning wasn't the cause
A google search brings up numerous results:

http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... arge-Bowie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showt ... Broken-BK2" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showt ... id/844145/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.kiestu.com/videopage/on/nZkO_4UnSL8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMebtQgBK6k" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_4/285008_.html&page=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On;y three of those were the actual USMC fighting knife pattern. Snapping at the handle usually indicates improper batonning, and breaking a knife by throwing it is not breaking a knife in normal use. Also, at least two of those knives were Becker knives, which goes counter to your original statement that Ka-Bar (and I'm assuming this includes the Ontario Knife Company models) knives break more consistently than Becker, Esee, etc.

Even Glocks break.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by rikinwyoming » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:03 pm

Also, on the knife breakage point, ya need to look at how many of these knives have been sold as compared to 1 or 2 breaking,,, the percentages of failure are astronomically small...

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Doctorr Fabulous » Sat Sep 08, 2012 9:19 pm

I would like to add that in at least one of the linked reports about breaking knives whilst batoning, the knife is at one hell of an angle. I'd love to have been there every time, but I can't, so I can't can't say whether it was technique, intentional misuse, age (I don't care what metal it is, you stike a piece of steel long enough and it will develop stress fractures,) or prior misuse (throwign said knife or using it as a prybar) or just being the one bad one in a lot of a few hundred thousand. I don't expect an SKS to dot he same things as my M4, and you shouldn't expect a USMC Fighting Knife (Ka-Bar) pattern knife to be the one-size fits all, but like the ALICE pack it's a decent starter that looks kind of cool and has a bit of heritage to it.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by ZombieHunter556X45 » Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:55 pm

Redeyes wrote:
ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:Big post with several pics.
So you carry two large knives and a small knife on your assault pack right? Are you planning to also put the SOG seal pup on there when you get it? Also, why so many knives?
Yeah it's probably going to be a hard decision. I was really hoping to be able to attach a small blender/toaster oven/pez dispenser combo aparatus. Alas to be able to attach another knife...que sa ra

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Tetra Grammaton Cleric » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:18 pm

ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:
Redeyes wrote:
ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:Big post with several pics.
So you carry two large knives and a small knife on your assault pack right? Are you planning to also put the SOG seal pup on there when you get it? Also, why so many knives?
Yeah it's probably going to be a hard decision. I was really hoping to be able to attach a small blender/toaster oven/pez dispenser combo aparatus. Alas to be able to attach another knife...que sa ra
:lol: :clap:

Easy. Lash the SEAL Pup sheath to the sheath of the SEAL CFK. Done. :twisted:

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Re: Fighting knife

Post by Redeyes » Sat Sep 08, 2012 11:47 pm

ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:
Redeyes wrote:
ZombieHunter556X45 wrote:Big post with several pics.
So you carry two large knives and a small knife on your assault pack right? Are you planning to also put the SOG seal pup on there when you get it? Also, why so many knives?
Yeah it's probably going to be a hard decision. I was really hoping to be able to attach a small blender/toaster oven/pez dispenser combo aparatus. Alas to be able to attach another knife...que sa ra
Hmm toaster oven tacos with frozen magaritas on the trail, pez for desert, not bad. Or you could add some throwing knives. Tough call.
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Re: Fighting knife

Post by maine1 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 6:36 am

ninja-elbow wrote:I've seen some of them other knives break too. Not as much as a Kabar ($60) or a Mora ($20 at worst) <<< but neither of them really break in the hands of experienced people much either. Took me 15 years to break my Kabar from batoning and that was while batoning incorrectly for 15 years. I don't even like Kabars that much anymore as I think they are too big and clunky.

You can hate all you want but rat-tailed tangs have been around for a long time and work well for many centuries from many cultures over many scenerios.

Also, I'm not calling you out on full tanged knives either. I got some. I'm just saying that full-tanged knives you are espousing are not some knife tech evolutionary point that makes all other non-full-tanged knives obsolete. I can see you have passion and that is good. Just no need to hate on something that don't need to be hated on.

Here is some talk on tang design if you are interested.
http://www.youtube.com/user/WMDTVIDS?feature=mhee" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Full and narrow tangs can both be done well, or done poorly, afecting durability.

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Fighting knife

Post by Supraman762 » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:11 am

I was gonna say cold steel but read your post and now have no suggestions on best.

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Re: Re: Fighting knife

Post by Thunderbolt » Wed Sep 12, 2012 8:51 am

Thunderbolt wrote:I couldn't decide on a knife. So I built one.

Here's the thread:

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopi ... 33&t=98862" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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