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A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Drake122 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:47 am

Do you need to own a license to own a Crossbow or Compound Bow of any sort in all states or certain states?

I ask this because of the gun laws there, since there's like a year's waiting period for foreigner's to purchase and legally own a firearm, would it be the same for something like a Bow or a Crossbow.

And another question, if in the event that I cannot own a viable HD firearm (should I eventually consider moving to the US) what is the consensus of using a crossbow as a HD weapon (this would be a last resort weapon if a firearm was not available)?

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by LowKey » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:04 am

Short answer, no. No license needed to buy one or keep it at home.
Slightly longer answer, check the state and local laws where you intend to reside. I can't guarantee that some place <cough...CA....cough...NJ....hack-cough MA> may or may not have passed something asinine. Most places all it takes to buy one is being over 18 years of age and the cash. No waiting period...unless the clerk walks reeeaaallll sloooooowwww when he gets one in the box from the back of the store.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by maddmatt » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:05 am

In Kentucky I can walk into a sporting goods store and buy a bow or crossbow with no paper work. The same holds true for muzzle-loaders. I can not speak for the other states.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Brendan Sullivan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:34 am

Note that while in most places there will be no restrictions, paperwork or waiting period to purchase one, there are states and locales where they do not count during archery season for hunting. This has been changing lately in order to appeal to more hunters and gain revenue, so before you take game with one consult with your local applicable hunting or law enforcement agencies.

Edit: In the 'states. I don't know a darn sight about the UK.

Edit: A crossbow would be a shitty home defense weapon, and I would personally rate it below pepper spray, a baseball bat, a katana, or a sock full of Hot Wheels monster trucks. Large, not a fast stopper without vital organ penetration, and single-shot. No way.

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Ad'lan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:42 am

Drake122 wrote:Do you need to own a license to own a Crossbow or Compound Bow of any sort in all states or certain states?

I ask this because of the gun laws there, since there's like a year's waiting period for foreigner's to purchase and legally own a firearm, would it be the same for something like a Bow or a Crossbow.

And another question, if in the event that I cannot own a viable HD firearm (should I eventually consider moving to the US) what is the consensus of using a crossbow as a HD weapon (this would be a last resort weapon if a firearm was not available)?
http://www.vrolyk.org/guns/alien-laws.html Buy a Hunting Lisence, then, federally, you can legally own a firearm. AFAIK

What would your status as an alien, where would you be going?

Don't use a crossbow for home defence. One Shot, and then it's a cumbersome hunk of junk, one shot, which although easily lethal, will not stop an attacker as quick as a firearm will. I'd honestly rather have a hockey stick or some such for home defence, over a crossbow.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Bluesman » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:00 pm

I've shot both a bow and a crossbow, but I'm no where near and expert on either. However, the crossbow was easier to learn since it functioned like a rifle (more or less) and those I am familiar with. We cannot use crossbows on deer, unless you have a handicap. The value of the crossbow, IMO, is that it is silent and can be left ready to fire and requires very little motion to bring it into firing position and you don't have to worry so much about fatigue while waiting for the pesky deer to step out from behind a bush.

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Ad'lan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:18 pm

Bows are not Silent!

Sorry pet peeve, they are quieter, but they are not silent. It takes a lot of effort to get a bow to something approaching silence.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Hatch » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:40 pm

In the State of North Carolina, buying a crossbow requires a handgun purchase permit, issued by your county sheriff. Legally, a crossbow is treated the same as a handgun. You even have to fill out a 4473 when buying one, silly as that may sound.

But ironically, you can buy a muzzle-loading black powder rifle (the weapon that historically replaced the crossbow), over the counter, no permit or NICS check required. Yes, sometimes our State legislature is a little retarded. :lol:

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by spacecase0 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 1:52 pm

in your case, I would get a pair of black powder revolvers and black powder riffle for hunting,
and a cross bow to have fun playing with.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Bluesman » Thu Aug 20, 2009 2:01 pm

Ad'lan wrote:Bows are not Silent!

Sorry pet peeve, they are quieter, but they are not silent. It takes a lot of effort to get a bow to something approaching silence.
LOL! You are correct Sir! I should have said they are very quiet. But, if your around guns a lot, you consider them to be silent :wink:
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by TerryGecko » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:01 am

Brendan Sullivan wrote:Note that while in most places there will be no restrictions, paperwork or waiting period to purchase one, there are states and locales where they do not count during archery season for hunting. This has been changing lately in order to appeal to more hunters and gain revenue, so before you take game with one consult with your local applicable hunting or law enforcement agencies.

Edit: In the 'states. I don't know a darn sight about the UK.

Edit: A crossbow would be a shitty home defense weapon, and I would personally rate it below pepper spray, a baseball bat, a katana, or a sock full of Hot Wheels monster trucks. Large, not a fast stopper without vital organ penetration, and single-shot. No way.
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Where I'm from (PA) you are not allowed to hunt with them UNLESS you have use of only one arm. If you have a handicap that affects the use of one of your hands then you can use a crossbow to hunt with.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Ad'lan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:21 am

I belive it's generally that you have to have a doctor certify you as unable to use a vertical bow.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Oneswunk » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:34 am

TerryGecko wrote:
Brendan Sullivan wrote:Note that while in most places there will be no restrictions, paperwork or waiting period to purchase one, there are states and locales where they do not count during archery season for hunting. This has been changing lately in order to appeal to more hunters and gain revenue, so before you take game with one consult with your local applicable hunting or law enforcement agencies.

Edit: In the 'states. I don't know a darn sight about the UK.

Edit: A crossbow would be a shitty home defense weapon, and I would personally rate it below pepper spray, a baseball bat, a katana, or a sock full of Hot Wheels monster trucks. Large, not a fast stopper without vital organ penetration, and single-shot. No way.
This.

Where I'm from (PA) you are not allowed to hunt with them UNLESS you have use of only one arm. If you have a handicap that affects the use of one of your hands then you can use a crossbow to hunt with.
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HARRISBURG -- The Pennsylvania Board of Game Commissioners gave final approval to a measure allowing deer hunters to use crossbows in Special Regulations Areas during the upcoming regular firearms deer season (Nov. 26-Dec. 8, and Dec. 26-Jan. 12). Special Regulations Areas counties are Allegheny, Bucks, Chester, Delaware, Montgomery and Philadelphia.

"The Game Commission believes it should move cautiously in an effort to incorporate the use of crossbows in our deer hunting seasons so we can measure what impact, if any, crossbow hunters may have on the resource," said Vern Ross, Game Commission executive director. "Special Regulations Areas serve as fine testing grounds for the crossbow because they demand short-range sporting arms and have excessive deer populations. Our greatest interest now is measuring what type of following the crossbow attracts. Determining that will help guide us in future crossbow-hunting decisions. "

Under the new regulation, a crossbow is defined as: "A device consisting of a bow fixed transversely on a stock, the string of which is released by a trigger mechanism, has a mechanical safety and propels an arrow." The new regulation also requires crossbows used for deer hunting to have a draw weight of not less than 125 pounds nor more than 200 pounds.

Previously, only hunters with permanent disabilities and a permit from the Game Commission could use crossbows. However, Act 111, which was approved by the General Assembly and signed by Gov. Tom Ridge at the end of 2000, removed crossbows from the list of unlawful devices and methods for hunting in the Game and Wildlife Code (Title 34). The new law also allows hunters with temporary disabilities to apply for a permit to use a crossbow throughout the state for up to one year.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Brendan Sullivan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:04 am

new regulation wrote:[...]consisting of a bow fixed transversely on a stock, the string of which is released by a trigger mechanism, has a mechanical safety and propels an arrow.
I saw a show, Jackass or one of those, where the guy donned a cuirass and let an archer shoot him in the chest with his modern crossbow. The strange thing was that it was vertically-aligned rather than transverse, though it looked like a production xbow rather than a mod to a regular bow. Has anyone seen the video clip? Hope I'm not misremembering, can't find it on the 'nets. Ever encountered one of these? How would the regs above handle such a thing?

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by crypto » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:13 am

Hatch wrote:In the State of North Carolina, buying a crossbow requires a handgun purchase permit, issued by your county sheriff. Legally, a crossbow is treated the same as a handgun. You even have to fill out a 4473 when buying one, silly as that may sound.

But ironically, you can buy a muzzle-loading black powder rifle (the weapon that historically replaced the crossbow), over the counter, no permit or NICS check required. Yes, sometimes our State legislature is a little retarded. :lol:

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Just out of curiousity, why would a federal form (the 4473) be used for something the federal government doesnt care about?
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Post by Hatch » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:06 pm

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Hatch wrote:In the State of North Carolina, buying a crossbow requires a handgun purchase permit, issued by your county sheriff. Legally, a crossbow is treated the same as a handgun. You even have to fill out a 4473 when buying one, silly as that may sound.

But ironically, you can buy a muzzle-loading black powder rifle (the weapon that historically replaced the crossbow), over the counter, no permit or NICS check required. Yes, sometimes our State legislature is a little retarded. :lol:

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Just out of curiousity, why would a federal form (the 4473) be used for something the federal government doesnt care about?
In a nutshell, foolish consistency. The law requires that a crossbow purchaser have a handgun purchase permit (we don't do NICS for handgun purchases in NC), or a concealed handgun license (which eliminates the need for the purchase permit). The law also requires that businesses that sell crossbows keep a record of those sales, just like they would for a firearm. So since businesses have to treat the crossbow purchase like a handgun purchase, collect the permit, verify the ID, and maintain a record of sale, they just use the 4473 like they would for a handgun purchase. I imagine it simply makes their records easier to maintain, rather than having a different form for crossbows. I can't find any state law that specifically requires a 4473 be used, it's just the standard practice.

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by unkieford » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:07 pm

Here in the wild west (Arizona) you can own pretty much anything you want, short of WMD's.
The requirements for purchasing a crossbow are i think, 18 years old, and enough money to pay for it. :wink:


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Post by ironraven » Sun Aug 30, 2009 8:45 pm

In Vermont, people really don't care other than game wardens. Hunting with them is frowned on without a note from your doctor or military medical discharge papers saying you are unable to use one of your arms. Sticking a flashlight on there for surprising the deer would make you even less popular with Fish & Game. *laughs*

People have funny ideas about crossbows. Yes, I own one. No, it isn't like shooting a rifle. No, it isn't like shooting a bow. It isn't quite like anything else.
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Post by ninja steve » Sun Aug 30, 2009 10:12 pm

I kinda want one. The nice ones are a bit expensive for me at the moment though.

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by LowKey » Mon Aug 31, 2009 3:08 am

ninja steve wrote:I kinda want one. The nice ones are a bit expensive for me at the moment though.
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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Humblesteve » Mon Aug 31, 2009 4:41 pm

check these out:
http://www.alcheminc.com/crossbow.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I've built one, and I know a guy who's built dozens. The guy claimed (and had proven) he could put bolts on target (headshot sized groupings) at 12 bolts per minute at 25 yards. I'm not much of a gun guy so I don't really know how that stacks up, but I was impressed when he did it.

Back to the Xbows, the one I built cost about 90-120 bucks in the end. The website takes forever to fulfill an order though, expect 6 months.

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Re: A question for US Crossbow owners...

Post by Hoppy » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:03 pm

no laws restricting crosbows or air rifles here in MA aside from Age 16 + i believe

but like others have said, unless you qualify for disabled hunting season, crossbows arnt allowed in hunting
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