The Lobo from WWZ

[BlueSilkRibbon]

Another option...


introducing the Super Penetration Shovel!

CLICKY

looks like WINNING!

That is a win sir.

[s.leinicke]

I envisioned more of a spade head. Spades are generally flatter than most shovels and shouldn't be too hard to convert one to a Lobo.

[emuthreat]

I have a fiskars d-handle digging shovel,http://www2.fiskars.com/Products/Yard-and-Garden/Digging-Tools/D-Handle-Digging-Shovel-Steel, all steel construction (teardrop shaped tube-steel handle) except for the d-grip. i could not imagine a situation in which i could exert enough force on that shovel to tear the handle free from it's weld to the blade. this shovel is 46" overall with a 12"x9" pointed blade and 2" to 0" step (smooth, round back surface of blade) and couldn't weigh more than 3 lbs. Now if one were to take a standard double-edged axe head scaled up to 150% it's regular size and weld it to aforementioned shovel just above the step, i believe we would end up with a reasonably lightweight and highly effective dual-purpose tool. literally fusing an axe and a shovel, just like in the description of it in the book, seems to me the easiest way of creating such an implement.

[xombiechow]

Hopefully this debate will come to an end Dec. next year with the movie coming out.

I'm looking forward to seeing what they come up with.

Granted that they actually include it in the movie. Wouldn't that be a shame if they don't???

[Turtlewolf]

So other than a crap actor in the movie, we'll see Lobo's at BudK within a couple months?
cheers

[xombiechow]

So other than a crap actor in the movie, we'll see Lobo's at BudK within a couple months?
cheers

lol that could be true.

[basm]

Wow, the designs in this thread.... I have to say I am seriously impressed and wish I had the money to get one of every design.

I hope some of the new posters here that found ZS because of WWZ (the book or the movie) will stick around.

I do not have any better ideas (maybe...let me think on it) but I think if you just honor the spirit of the text, then it is just going to be a painfully simple design that probably is also very elegant because it speaks to the need to give some morale also to the people getting it. Hand them an old shovel and tell them it's a magical ass-kicking Lobo and they are going to hate you. So it has to look badass. And be functional. And be practically forged by Vulcan. Because, you know, if it breaks, then the war is lost and the whole exercise was pointless.

Keep the designs coming....they are great!

[Hachiman]

We shall now coin the phrase drum roll



LOBO-tomy

[BlueSilkRibbon]

We shall now coin the phrase drum roll



LOBO-tomy

uhhh yeah, that's were tEr term lobo comes from, "the LOBOtomizer".

[Hachiman]

We shall now coin the phrase drum roll



LOBO-tomy

uhhh yeah, that's were tEr term lobo comes from, "the LOBOtomizer".

I was speaking of the action, you are speaking of the tool.

[xkane99]

http://www.amazon.com/Bully-92200-Sidew ... B000PAQEKU


this is basically a lobo... juts cut the handle down a lil ...and sharpen that edge to a razor and maybe weld a t-bar handle to the top.....
oh and i love this site btw

[Hachiman]

Iron Momma has stated she WANTS a Hawke Hasp for the truck Who am I to tell her no? If she likes hers maybe I can have one too

[Omega DR]

I know this is practical a dead thread (no pun), but I'm new, humor me. The ideal of The Lobo sounds good, but I've always had an issue with the described design. An combo battle axe/shovel, made from used car parts. Just don't pass the common sense test or follow historical examples of battlefield expedient weapons.

To me, some type of Battle Mace make much more sense, would be easier to mass produce and train with, and requires almost no maintenance. Take a fiberglass axe handle, add a steel collar where the axe head goes, add a few studs or spikes and you have a top of the line, skull crushing Zed killer. Add a spike on either end and your really talking,

Any edged weapon requires a certain level of proficiency for proper use. And the "edge" must be maintain to get the desired effect. Anyone who split some logs with an axe knows, it takes a few good trys to get it right. Using a Mace is like swing a baseball bat. The same techniques used to teach some to swing a bat, could be used to teach some to swing at a Zed's head.

Personally, I think a better choice for an all around Zed Killer would be a modern version of the Halberd.
http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/images/cd-1046a.jpg
http://www.by-the-sword.com/acatalog/images/cd-1045b.jpg

Ontario knives makes a 24in Crash Axe/Entry Tool made of all steel, one piece construction. I'm make in longer, about 36inch, add a 6 inch spike. better grips and I'd have my perfect melee weapon.
http://www2.knifecenter.com/item/ON9429/ontario-ranger-series-xtreme-rescue-24-inch

[Penzanse]

Sorry for the necro post but I saw this and thought "LOBO!" Small, cheap, easy!



[url]http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/products/Marble%26%23146%3Bs+Outdoors®/Marble's®+Firefighter+Survival+Devil's+Tail+Shovel/MA5015.html[/url]

[BoredomPersonified]

Ahhh ive been wanting one of those marbles shovels but cant justify the buy but like zombies this thread shall be brought back to life!! but im really looking forward to seeing the Lobo in World War Z the movie

[BlackRabbit]

I know this isn't in reference to the Lobo, but bear with me:
Has anyone read the book 'Dies the Fire' by S. M. Stirling?
I won't go into the plot because it's besides the point (though it's a great read) but early in the book, one of the protagonists, Mike Havel, is about to track down some bad guys and decides he needs a more effective weapon than his Puuko, so he takes a machete, knocks the handle off the tang and screws it into a long pole, securing it with leather lashings. that he's made from a tree - this would be a good weapon for dispatching zombies; big sharp blade at one end and a long reach, with plenty of swinging power behind the blow.
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Havel nodded crisply: "Look, Mrs. Hutton, get these packsaddles off, and hide your goods up there in that thicket, behind the big rock—you can get up along the side with a little work. I'd advise you to keep extremely quiet and wait. I don't have time to argue. We'll be back when we've done what has to be done, but it could be a couple of days or longer. Are those lashings rawhide?"

They were thin and soft-surfaced.

"Wet them down for me as well, would you please? Put them in water, do that first. And get me those knives."

"Thank you, and los santos go with you," the woman said; she and her daughter got to work with the quick competence of people who'd handled horses and their tack all their lives.

Havel worked as well. He'd spotted suitable red cedar saplings down-slope to the north and not far from the edge of the road; the wood wasn't what he'd have chosen with more time, but it worked easily, and he'd been thinking hard about their brush with the three bandits. A few strokes of the machete at their bases felled both the young trees. After trimming the first he had a straight pole five feet long and another a little taller than he was.

A single swift hard chop split the smaller end of the first down the middle, leaving a cleft twelve inches long, and he repeated the process for the second, longer one.

Then he used the hammer and prybar to knock the wooden handle off the machete, and punch out the two rivets; the tang was solid except for those holes, a simple continuation of the blade. He forced it into the cleft of the shorter pole, trimming with his knife and waggling it carefully to seat it and then hammering in two horseshoe nails from a bag in the pack-saddles.

Angelica brought him the rawhide thongs, which had at least been thoroughly wetted down.

"Wish there was more time to soak these," he said absently.

Eric came up and helped hold the shaft while he bound the cleft with a double layer of leather cord, using the ends of the nails as tie-points and pulling the wet leather as tightly as he could with both hands and bracing foot. Then he turned the ends of the nails down with a few swift hammer-blows; there was no wobble when he shook the improvised weapon, and in a while the drying leather would hold it on like iron. The result was a shaft about the thickness of a shovel handle, with two feet of chopping steel fixed on the end coming to just over eye-level on the younger Larsson.

"Looks like a naginata," Eric said.

"That's the idea," Havel said. "I was stationed in Okinawa for a while back in '89. You ever trained with one?"

"Just a few times, and watching. Hate to have to use one and try to ride a horse, though."

"Better than nothing, and we'll get down to fight. These'll give us enough reach to get at a man on horseback; I ride a lot better than those clowns, and I wouldn't care to try and fight from the saddle without a lot of practice."

While he spoke he sorted through the knives; he knocked the handle off a good-sized pointed kitchen blade, and bound it into the second shaft as he had the machete. Now he had a spear as well, about seven feet long in all.
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[cerestauri]

Being a former Marine, when I read the book I recognized exactly what I would pick up and use as the Lobo from our normal gear.

We had a set of "pioneer gear" in every truck, for digging or cutting ourselves out of problems using manual labor low-tech means.

http://go-armynavy.com/index.php/see-more-images/u.s.-military-pioneer-kit/product-image.html


So that fairly normal D-handle shovel has a curve to the blade. Hold that handle in your back hand, turn it upside down and lift it up so the blade is pointing at your target's eyeline, and the curved shovel blade is perfect for a thrust through the eyeline into the brain housing group. (This matches up with the method of dispatching Z's by the blind dude camped out in the forest of Japan too.)

So I'd sharpen the point and sides up so I could swing it "axe style" as needed if mobbed by a horde. The weight of the handle would carry it through a Z's skull. I would not think of this as usable as an axe for chopping anything else but a Z skull tho, its just not an axe. If I wanted more weight to the shovel head and also reinforcements, I'd maybe weld a couple of rebar or any steel strips as reinforcements across the back of the blade.

Yeah its a tad heavy but I'm 6'2" and 250#. I was a machine gunner and loved to hump the M60 when I could, SAW otherwise once the 60's were retired from service. Plus I'm a packrat anyway. I always carried a bit extra. extra box of ammo, extra first aid kit, extra cigs to sell to the nico addicts in my squad... hehe.

I'd pack my main firearm and this shovel since I would feel more confident in its reach keeping me just out of arms length of the Z's. You don't want to even get a scratch or a splatter off the Z's so the more length to your tools the better, but balance that with weight... I'd pack this shovel everywhere at all times as well as my SIR.

If I was to buy one I think that penetrater shovel above would be awesome.

The book seems to imply that we'd flatten the blade some when fashioning the 20 million made... which would fit with cannibalizing street sign's and cars as y'all discussed pages above. Signs would actually be a pretty good source of metal about the right weight/thickness for a sharp skull thrusting blade. You would have to add a curve to the blade to make it more useful as a shovel. Flat aluminum from a sign or thin car steel would just bend too much digging, prying dirt or when lifting a load of dirt out. Could be done but it would be gimped a lot vs a curved steel shovel blade with a belly built into it by design. That's why I think this D-shovel is a better Lobo basis and is absolutely what I would use as a Lobo in a Zombipocalyse.


Now the normal entrenching tool we strapped to our pack could also work but its way too short and light for me to feel comfortable in hand to hand with a Zed, much less a horde. I doubt the long-term durability of this tool as well. Having used it in the field I felt I could bend or break the damn thing with long-term use. It was too small, light and wimpy feeling for me to think of it as "the Lobo". But that was this tri- foldable mini-camp shovel here:

http://go-armynavy.com/index.php/field-gear/shovels-and-axes/u.s.-military-tri-fold-shovel/e-tool-with-case.html

if you fold that out and lock the blade, its like a metal version of the Spetz. In a pinch I'd use it sure but it would not be something I would think of as my primary close weapon.

I would go with the D-handle shovel and that is my answer for "THE" basis of the Lobo.

[Dogan]

le 3 piece unfucking kit

I do believe I shall have on of those somewhere on my in-progress Maverick. Those three tools in a custom rack, a lot like that.

In addition to the standard coolered car kit I carry, with that I'll almost be BO ready just from my car.

[Omega DR]

I know this isn't in reference to the Lobo, but bear with me:
Has anyone read the book 'Dies the Fire' by S. M. Stirling?
I won't go into the plot because it's besides the point (though it's a great read) but early in the book, one of the protagonists, Mike Havel, is about to track down some bad guys and decides he needs a more effective weapon than his Puuko, so he takes a machete, knocks the handle off the tang and screws it into a long pole, securing it with leather lashings. that he's made from a tree - this would be a good weapon for dispatching zombies; big sharp blade at one end and a long reach, with plenty of swinging power behind the blow.
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Havel nodded crisply: "Look, Mrs. Hutton, get these packsaddles off, and hide your goods up there in that thicket, behind the big rock—you can get up along the side with a little work. I'd advise you to keep extremely quiet and wait. I don't have time to argue. We'll be back when we've done what has to be done, but it could be a couple of days or longer. Are those lashings rawhide?"

They were thin and soft-surfaced.

"Wet them down for me as well, would you please? Put them in water, do that first. And get me those knives."

"Thank you, and los santos go with you," the woman said; she and her daughter got to work with the quick competence of people who'd handled horses and their tack all their lives.

Havel worked as well. He'd spotted suitable red cedar saplings down-slope to the north and not far from the edge of the road; the wood wasn't what he'd have chosen with more time, but it worked easily, and he'd been thinking hard about their brush with the three bandits. A few strokes of the machete at their bases felled both the young trees. After trimming the first he had a straight pole five feet long and another a little taller than he was.

A single swift hard chop split the smaller end of the first down the middle, leaving a cleft twelve inches long, and he repeated the process for the second, longer one.

Then he used the hammer and prybar to knock the wooden handle off the machete, and punch out the two rivets; the tang was solid except for those holes, a simple continuation of the blade. He forced it into the cleft of the shorter pole, trimming with his knife and waggling it carefully to seat it and then hammering in two horseshoe nails from a bag in the pack-saddles.

Angelica brought him the rawhide thongs, which had at least been thoroughly wetted down.

"Wish there was more time to soak these," he said absently.

Eric came up and helped hold the shaft while he bound the cleft with a double layer of leather cord, using the ends of the nails as tie-points and pulling the wet leather as tightly as he could with both hands and bracing foot. Then he turned the ends of the nails down with a few swift hammer-blows; there was no wobble when he shook the improvised weapon, and in a while the drying leather would hold it on like iron. The result was a shaft about the thickness of a shovel handle, with two feet of chopping steel fixed on the end coming to just over eye-level on the younger Larsson.

"Looks like a naginata," Eric said.

"That's the idea," Havel said. "I was stationed in Okinawa for a while back in '89. You ever trained with one?"

"Just a few times, and watching. Hate to have to use one and try to ride a horse, though."

"Better than nothing, and we'll get down to fight. These'll give us enough reach to get at a man on horseback; I ride a lot better than those clowns, and I wouldn't care to try and fight from the saddle without a lot of practice."

While he spoke he sorted through the knives; he knocked the handle off a good-sized pointed kitchen blade, and bound it into the second shaft as he had the machete. Now he had a spear as well, about seven feet long in all.
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The weapon "Mr Havel" makes is available, from Cold Steel. It's basically there Two Hand Machete. I have their original version
http://www.coldsteel.com/twohama.html
But the Panga Version is closer to the one described in the Book.
http://www.coldsteel.com/two-handed-panga-machete.html

[Hachiman]

http://predatortools.com/item_details.asp?ID=4 other options available and the prices are pretty good too!!

[B0DYMAN]

I just got done constructing one of my own. Ill post pictures asap. I like yours a lot. I stuck to the book. making them out of cars trucks yata. the onley thing i had trouble with is getting think gauge steel for the head. you just cant find that thick of steel out of a car or truck. it would have to be out of a dumpster or dump truck. I'm a body man I work with cars and trucks all day. tons of fun tho

[Penzanse]

[quote="Hachiman"]

Nope waaaayyy too big.

[Hachiman]

Nope waaaayyy too big.

It might be too big, for the girlier men..

[bamboo spear]

I need a reason to buy one of those! Maybe I can uproot some stuff in the backyard lol.