Gun in my face and attempted robbery

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Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by NYKh » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:21 am

This happened to me Thursday afternoon about 2:30pm wile walking to my car after work.

Before I begin I want to state that I am in no way thumping my chest in a Rambo, machismo state of exhilaration. It suxed, I was scared and pissed.

I’ve been in bad situations before, grew up in a rough part of town, been shot at in a drive by, stabbed in a fight and it sux. I did casino security for a few years, and have been jumped, sprayed with OC and had to wrestle my share of drunk pissed off ppl to the ground. I’ve never been in the military or actual combat. So what does all that mean, not a damn thing! Having a gun pointed in your face by a half starved inner-city loser is the ultimate SUX. The saving grace was having been in situations in the past and being able to keep my wits about me.
The short story is…..
I was walking to my car in a snow storm. I work in downtown Baltimore and park in an area known as Little Italy. In Bmore all you have to do is cross a street to go from a good part of town to total s**t.
I’m walking to my car down a side street; I always walk in the center of the street when I can to keep a distance from the houses and openings since the side walks are generally small. I notice two losers paralleling me on the side walk to my right, at this point they do not appear any more suspicious then the dozens of losers I see on a daily basis. They notice I’m watching them and stop as if to go into a house. I continue down the street, and when I’m approaching my car I step up on the side walk, about 5 cars behind mine. At this point the two losers run past me at full speed as if chasing each other and make a sharp turn left, into a drive way opening between two houses. I continue, I’m three cars from mine when one of the afore mentioned losers jumps out from an opening between the row homes, sticks a gun in my face and states “give me your shit white mother f***er”. His accomplice runs out from behind him, circles around me and moves to my blind spot on my right. They both were in their early twenties, at best. Tattered, unwashed clothes, un-kept, skinny, emaciated and smelling like shit.
Now the one second feels like an hour rush kicks in. First I freak in my head and think to myself “fucking bull shit” and resign myself to giving over my work bag that has a empty Tupperware container, a sigg bottle and print outs of some IIS errors I was working on that day and living to tell about it. Then in the next split second I notice the guy is shaking, not making eye contact and gripping the revolver so hard that the trigger is already pulled/depressed and the hammer is down. In the same quick second I then notice the rust on the barrel, and the fact that the opening is red with thick coarse rust almost obscuring the opening. Then I actually lean in and take a closer look and there are no rounds in the cylinder. In a matter of split seconds I’ve assessed the situation and came to the conclusion that this jack off is using a rusty, dilapidated .22 revolver, most likely single action and no rounds, and if there is a round under the hammer when it’s cocked it’s going to rotate to an empty hole. That is if the pistol works at all.
I’m still scared, but now I’m pissed. I look back at the loser, who now has a look of bewilderment and surprise on his face, square him directly in the eye and say ”you have to be fucking shitting me!”. I can’t stress enough, If it would have been staring me in the eye with a look of intent, had a semi-auto, or a revolver that didn’t look like a POS and rounds in the cylinder I would have dropped my bag and ran like a bat out of hell!!
Like I said I’m still scared, it’s two against one, but the “dangerous firearm” is now out of the equation. I steel my self for what ever is to come next.
The next actions happen in quick secession. The loser is still shaking, takes a gulp and says” you heard me, give me your shit. I’ll hit you with it”. It then points the pistol at its accomplice, waves it in my direction and commands him to look in my pockets. I step back and rotate so they are both to my front, one to the left and one to the right. They look at each other confused, and the loser again points the pistol at its partner and says check his pockets. They stand there looking at each other shaking their heads; the accomplice takes a step back. At this point it’s a fuck up comedy skit of stupidly. The one with the pistol takes a step toward me, (Did I mention that now I’m pissed and now have that particular state of clarity?)I look it in the eye and say “are you sure you really want to fucking do this?” It lowers the pistol to a low 45 deg and out to the left angle, and turns to look at its accomplice. I open my winter coat to get access to my right pocket, put my hand on my pocket where I keep my EDC benchmade, and grab the pistol with my left hand keeping it down. The accomplice, notices what is happening and bolts, the loser quickly turns to see I’m holding the pistol down and in the process of making a move to pull something from my pocket, it quickly jumps back pulling it’s right arm with all it’s strength turns and runs it’s ass off.

I called the cops etc…etc….

Now that being said, what did I learn?
Situational awareness:
FAIL: Thought I had it. Noticed the losers and watched them till they seemed to act like they were entering a house. When they ran past me I should have went to condition RED and acted accordingly, but that kind of crap happens constantly were I work, and I guess I’ve let it become too common place.
PASS: Keep my wits about me, specifically when assessing that the loser was more scared then I was, and having the mind set and knowledge to quickly determine the pistol was junk, and not loaded.

Training and tactics:
FAIL: I had been extremely active in the martial arts community in the 90’s. Seriously trained in Wing Chun for close to five years; classes 4 times a week, sparring twice a week at the school and competing in minor tournaments. During the time I did casino security. I trained privately with my instructors in small circle jujitsu, chin na and other controlling techniques. I’m not saying I’m a Chuck Norris bad ass, but at one time I was able to quickly apply the knowledge when needed, and had to in more then a few times. Don’t use it---lose it, period! The second I realized the weapon was not a threat, my brain sent a signal to my body: lop sau-snap kick - chun choi, a basic wing chun combination I’ve done hundreds of times, but my body would not respond.
PASS:
I was able to keep my wits about me and keep them disoriented by changing position and not letting them trap me between them. I was quickly able to assess the situation, specifically the weapon. Kept them confused and did my best to turn the tables.

Now, like I mentioned, this all happened very quickly, took a few seconds but the non emotional state of clarity did kick in. After the little dance and seeing they were losing initiative I remember thinking to my self” fuck this bull shit I’m ending it” the chance was there and I went. As quick as it happened they noticed the situation had changed I was now the aggressor and they broke contact. All I remember thinking in that split second was, the accomplice is all ready about to run, control and neutralize the arm holding the weapon, take down the threat and hold till the cops get there. But WTF would I have really done??? I know what I had committed to doing in my mind and I know what I had quickly decided to do if I couldn’t disable the weapon arm and/or if the accomplice would not have bolted. Most likely if it would have went south, I would not be typing this right now, or I would be waiting for the state prosecutor to make a decision. Both not good.
But it went down, they ran, and I’m safely sitting at my house, so I guess over all it turned out for the best.
Did I do the right thing Yes..Did I do the right thing No..
I learned something about myself; I’m not hurt so I don’t know what else to say about it.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by the_alias » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:29 am

Hey you got home alive you win mate!

All I can offer is that I woulda dealt with the gun in the guys hand with two hands vs one on the gun one in your coat... Going to your weapon too early can be a mistake.

Glad you're ok and thanks for sharing.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by maldon007 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:45 am

I have only had to deal with similar punks once, and it work out with a similarly lucky ending as well... But with your adventure (and mine) I hate to think of what the outcome might have been, given more competent bg's. You have training, skill, awareness, and a weapon... And it still could have gone very wrong if your assailants had been better equipt or even equally equipt (with you, ie knives), and more determined.

But hell, you cant curl up in a ball & avoid all outside contact, can you :lol:

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by DementedDigital » Sat Dec 18, 2010 11:59 am

Don't be hard on yourself. That was a WIN. Your OODA loop was faster than theirs, and you got away safely and able to learn from the experience.

A fail would have been giving up your empty tupperware ;-)

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by airballrad » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:14 pm

I know the area you're talking about; I used to work on Fleet St.

Good on you for keeping your wits. Situational awareness in the city is hard, just because there are so many junkies acting like junkies that your crazy meter gets overloaded.

There are some things I miss about working downtown, but the ups far outweigh the downs for me getting out of there.

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by Doomsayer » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:28 pm

DementedDigital wrote: A fail would have been giving up your empty tupperware ;-)
Especially if that tupperware belonged to your mom or your wife. Some women can get vicious if you lose the tupperware!
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by gronch » Sat Dec 18, 2010 12:54 pm

You should feel great about being able to assess the situation so quickly while in the thick of it.

If you had pepper spray, you could have evened the odds quite a bit. The second guy could have been carrying a knife, there could have been a lookout, or maybe another group watching that wants your stuff as well. I'm guilty of advising people to carry pepper spray at all times as an option, yet I still fail to carry it all the time myself.

Glad you made it home. Those IIS errors are apparently worth something on the street.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by shrapnel » Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:04 pm

Even if you give up your stuff, it's still a win if you walk away ok.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by rhi » Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:47 pm

I've never been in a situation like that and never want to be. If I were, I'd hope to respond as well as you did.

Glad you're OK, man.
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Post by Bakeel » Sat Dec 18, 2010 5:05 pm

Glad to hear you are ok, any outcome that allows you to walk away is a good one.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by Agent » Sat Dec 18, 2010 6:19 pm

Glad you came out ok, what did the police say? Did they track them down?
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by NYKh » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:38 pm

Agent wrote:Glad you came out ok, what did the police say? Did they track them down?
No, three patrol cars searched the area for about 30min but didn’t turn up anything. Given that it’s Baltimore I don’t have high expectations that they’ll find them.
I had to go to the precinct and talk to a detective from the local crime task force. The only thing he had to say was that he was amazed by the detailed description of the events I was able to give. Also he and the patrol officer were floored by the fact that I could tell that the pistol had no rounds in the cylinder and it’s over all condition.
The detective stated “I’ll take it you know a thing or two about hand guns and I’ll leave it at that”
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Post by Heimdall » Sat Dec 18, 2010 8:57 pm

Good work on IDing the useless gun, thats excellent situational awareness.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by guy1138 » Sat Dec 18, 2010 10:37 pm

NYKh wrote:I work in downtown Baltimore
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by MaxRite » Sun Dec 19, 2010 10:23 am

Glad you're ok, dude. Outcome is the only thing that truly matters. You're alive, not injured, not facing criminal charges and havent lost any property. Win.
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Post by Vicarious_Lee » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:55 am

gronch wrote: The second guy could have been carrying a knife, there could have been a lookout, or maybe another group watching that wants your stuff as well. I'm guilty of advising people to carry pepper spray at all times as an option, yet I still fail to carry it all the time myself.
I think he assessed the situation to the point that he could confidently make the decision that these guys were not sophisticated enough to have a lookout, a third party, or more firepower. Hell they didn't even have a plan. Shit they didn't even have a serviceable gun. Fuck they didn't even have a LOADED gun, regardless of whether it was lethal, appropriate, or even useable to them.

OP: This was an EXCELLENT play, outstanding situational awareness (well, once it all went down), and an introspective and detailed writeup of the whole event without any excessive bragging or self-aggrandizing.

I thank you for your post, I commend you for your actions against fucktards, and I award you 73.5 Internets for your sharing of the story.

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Post by Jeriah » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:04 am

NYKh wrote:In Bmore all you have to do is cross a street to go from a good part of town to total s**t.
QFT. Baltimore is like a grid covered in randomly alternating squares of brownies and dog shit. If you look really closely you can tell the good ones from the bad ones...but even the good ones are brownies that are touching dog shit on a couple of sides!
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by Gingerbread Man » Mon Dec 20, 2010 10:58 am

Yes, you did well. I like that you stood your ground. Not saying running off isn't a valid choice but they failed. Bad.
No one got hurt and I feel you taught them a lesson. They will not learn the lesson but regardless.
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by Resolute » Tue Dec 21, 2010 8:06 am

Well done. Great description of Baltimore. Little Italy is great - back in the day the mob kept the hoods out, and they still stay out. At least recently they've built row houses next to Little Italy that are a little more upscale; it just means the shithole housing has moved a block further out.

Well done on saving your ass, and your stuff. Kinda sad you didn't get to do some permanent damage to one of them, but that's just bonus points. Staying alive and keeping yourself safe is the ultimate win.

Do you keep a throwaway wallet?

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by Istvan56 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:00 am

You lived and lost nothing, that's a big win in my book. The fact that you didn't have to resort to physical force, let alone deadly force, is also a big plus. Believe me, the hassle from having to deal with the cops, courts and media is so much worse than giving up your wallet. The problem is that you can't tell which yahoo is going to blow you away despite cooperating so you have to prepare to take a life to save a life, if it comes down to that. The recommendation to have a throw away/decoy wallet or a wad of small bills (I'm too poor to carry cash, or if I do my wife/kids take it from me :oops: ) to toss down while you make your strategic retreat is a good one I've heard before.

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by NYKh » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:05 pm

Since this happened I've been thinking about a decoy/throw away wallet. Decided it's a good idea. 
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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by KKeegan » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:40 pm

Maybe a Ruger LCP in a pocket holster would have been an advantage. You can act like you are getting your wallet and then the tables have turned.

I do think there is no substitute for a good accurate handgun and for me the LCP is just a pocket gun with no real accuracy. Heightened situational awareness is always a must. I watch scumbag people lake that and get ready for them to do the worst thing I can think of them doing to me at that time and I plan accordingly.

Glad you got out safely.

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Post by airballrad » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:48 pm

KKeegan wrote:Maybe a Ruger LCP in a pocket holster would have been an advantage.
Not going to happen in Baltimore (or anyplace else in MD) unless he's a retired cop or he's very well connected. CHPs are rarer than hen's teeth here.

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Re: Gun in my face and attempted robbery

Post by NYKh » Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:49 pm

I can't agree more, that a good hand gun is the answer.

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