Why I hate the city

[Molon Labe]

This past Saturday, I was walking around the "Mall" with my fiance. We were there specifically for the Victoria's Secret, but were poking around other stores as well. We had barely been there for 5 min when a security guard stopped me and asked if that was a knife on my belt. I kindly responded that "Yes sir, it is." He informed me that he would like me to take my knife and put it in my vehicle. I asked "I wasn't aware that there is a no knife rule here. The posted signs on all the exterior doors Say 'No firearms'." He came back "Well I'm telling you that knives are included." I thought on this and politely asked him, "You do know that there is a knife shop, right down there (points a little down the corridor) that sells this exact set up, right? Are you to tell me that anyone that buys from that shop is breaking the mall rules and are subject to being harassed?" It was then that a pair of LEOs showed up to escort me out of the mall. Apparently, he had called for them before he even bothered to appraoch me. After all was said and done, I'm no longer welcome at that particular plaza.

Fuck Fiesta Mall.

[Regret]

I ran into a similar issue while visiting New York in 2004, TSA "authorities" approached me in the subway and asked me if the clip over my pocket was a knife. When I told them yes and showed it to them (showing them that it was below the legal limit for concealment), they wanted to confiscate it. So it took my liberty to walk away and went two blocks down to the next entrance.

[raptor]

The owners of the mall get to make the rules for people using their property. Just as you have the right to not shop there.

I will not shop at a store that does not allow CCW. There are many others place to shop.

[MS8725]

You don't want to go to that place anymore any way, right. That is why I avoid Mall Ninjas and Renta-Cops and malls in general.. Also just put the knife all the way in your pocket, you know on the down low. You should also consider speaking to a stupervisor or mall management. They really need to clarify the mixed signals they send by having a knife shop in their mall.

Also I am glad you didn't end up getting tased, bro.

[Molon Labe]

You don't want to go to that place anymore any way, right. That is why I avoid Mall Ninjas and Renta-Cops and malls in general.. Also just put the knife all the way in your pocket, you know on the down low. You should also consider speaking to a stupervisor or mall management. They really need to clarify the mixed signals they send by having a knife shop in their mall.

Also I am glad you didn't end up getting tased, bro.

He was the Security Manager. Oh well, there's a different plaza that allows everything but smoking indoors, over in Tempe. Infact, I think it might be a little closer.

[GeneralDiscontent]

I would write a letter to the knife shop telling them what happened, and telling them that you'd love to shop there, but apparently the mall won't let people carry knives, so you can't. A paying tenant of the mall raising hell with the management will get a whole lot more attention than a single customer.

[Erik]

I would write a letter to the knife shop telling them what happened, and telling them that you'd love to shop there, but apparently the mall won't let people carry knives, so you can't. A paying tenant of the mall raising hell with the management will get a whole lot more attention than a single customer.

+1 on this. Make sure the letter notes that you were removed for carrying the very same setup they sell. Did you get any kind of badge number or name from the security guard?

-Erik

[LittleTeapot]

My $0.02:
1) Find out if you violated mall policy (it IS private property, so they can have bonehead rules if they chose).
FACT: The security punk can't make his own laws.
FACT: The security punk CAN enforce rules of private property. But he can't make up HIS OWN rules for this property.

2) If you did not violate mall policy, find out the name of the security company and call/write the REGIONAL DIRECTOR.

OR

Let them do what they want.

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I bet the guard was a frustrated (couldn't-make-the-police-force) joker.

[muscleman_coffeemesto]

I remember getting popped when I was in NYC. I was doing the tourist thing and going up the Empire State Building. Well, to get in there requires the same security as boarding an airplane. The security guys were cool though. They liked my knife, a cold steel recon tanto. They gave it back to me when I was done.
When security personnel are cool, I don't mind making the trip back to the car to leave the knife. When they act like king-shit cops; well that's another matter.

[Tactical Badger]

And when they get the new Richard's Athletic Merchandise built there, that's another reason not to go back there.

[AwPhuch]

1. What part of concealed don't you understand?
2. If he asks if it is a knife say "no it is not"
3. If he asks to see it say "no you may not"

If he detains you then he is unlawfully detaining you, the ONLY people who can ask you to show them your ID or any personal effect is Law enforcement...PERIOD
http://www.aele.org/law/Digests/civil88.html

However since you admitted it was a knife the security can as you to leave..if you don't leave then you are the one who is wrong, but all he saw was a clip, it could have been a pager or a pen or something, and he has NO right to force you to show it to them.

If the guy got pushy then he is violating your 4th Amendment rights and the security department of the mall can probably be sued in a civil court...however they have lots of money so good luck

[REB 27]

To quote BearB, I believe, "fuck the fucking fuckers!" of that mall.

[the_klenzer]

I ran into a similar issue while visiting New York in 2004, TSA "authorities" approached me in the subway and asked me if the clip over my pocket was a knife. When I told them yes and showed it to them (showing them that it was below the legal limit for concealment), they wanted to confiscate it.

I've made that same mistake with a mini nailclipper sized multitool on my keychain (SOG $80). A couple security guards seized it (I was younger, if I knew then what I know now).

Anyway... all I can say is...


+1 FUCK FIESTA MALL

The fact that the cocksmoker already called the cops on you seems to be somewhat.... prejudiced?

Absolutely write the mall management, cite discrimination and demand to know their policy...

And keep your knives hidden!

[Flying Lead]

I guess you never made it to Victoria's Secrets huh?
So those bastards deprived you of a private Victoria's Secret preview show at home?

Them Sons of Bitches!!!

[Molon Labe]

I'm still not gonna hide the damn thing neither. I shouldn't have to and I won't. Fuck'em. I'll take my purchasing elsewhere. I refuse to be a part of the defenseless cattle crowd. I'm writing the mall management, as well as the Knife Shop.

[Kommander]

Writing letters is a good idea. From what you have said it appears that if someone purchased a knife from the knife store in the mall they would then be forced to leave the mall. I am sure the knife store would love to hear about that. I still would not shop there anymore. Luckily in AZ there are plenty of other malls around that either allow concealed carry or at least can't be bothered to properly post the no guns signs.

[che4rev]

As a security guard I can speak on this subject with some authority. There is nothing in this world more pathetic than a security guard who takes his/her job too seriously. Volumes have been written on how serial killers and other psychopaths often become security guards since there is rarely any kind of mental screening. These dangerous predators are drawn to jobs with pseudo-authority as it puts them in a position to lord over others. That isn't to say that there is any shortage of psychopaths in the ranks of real cops. It is just that the truly messed up ones become security guards.

The ranks of security guards are infested with guys with chips on their shoulders- guys who got picked on in high school and want to get back at the world. One of the guys that I worked with was a high risk sex offender. He was just recently fired.

[Erik]

Writing letters is a good idea. From what you have said it appears that if someone purchased a knife from the knife store in the mall they would then be forced to leave the mall. I am sure the knife store would love to hear about that. I still would not shop there anymore. Luckily in AZ there are plenty of other malls around that either allow concealed carry or at least can't be bothered to properly post the no guns signs.

If you *really* wanted to get the knife store riled up, you could say that the knife you just got kicked out of the mall store was one you bought from the knife store just several minutes before.

-Erik

[trackerbri]

Writing letters is a good idea. From what you have said it appears that if someone purchased a knife from the knife store in the mall they would then be forced to leave the mall. I am sure the knife store would love to hear about that. I still would not shop there anymore. Luckily in AZ there are plenty of other malls around that either allow concealed carry or at least can't be bothered to properly post the no guns signs.

If you *really* wanted to get the knife store riled up, you could say that the knife you just got kicked out of the mall store was one you bought from the knife store just several minutes before.

-Erik

Or you were bringing it to them to sharpen (assuming they offer that service).

[dogbane]

[Tactical Badger]

Wait! Wait!! I know this one.

Let's see...you're the badass in the middle. Right?


What do I win?

[dogbane]

Naw. This would be me:

[razi]

if you're a minority (I don't know), play the discrimination card.

fuck it, why not.

[Molon Labe]

Writing letters is a good idea. From what you have said it appears that if someone purchased a knife from the knife store in the mall they would then be forced to leave the mall. I am sure the knife store would love to hear about that. I still would not shop there anymore. Luckily in AZ there are plenty of other malls around that either allow concealed carry or at least can't be bothered to properly post the no guns signs.

If you *really* wanted to get the knife store riled up, you could say that the knife you just got kicked out of the mall store was one you bought from the knife store just several minutes before.

-Erik

It's funny you mentioned that. That Knife shop was where I purchased my SOG about a year ago. I'm waiting to hear from both parties but I won't get my hopes up.