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Glad I didn't help out!

Post by Random » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:45 am

A couple of nights ago ,I stepped off the subway accompanied by a friend.A large group of people got off at the same stop ,and we were moving almost as a group towards the stairs ,to reach the upper level ,where the exit was.My friend and I were in kind of a hurry ,so we were a bit ahead of the other passengers.
When reaching the top of the stairs ,we noticed a person lying on the ground across the large hall ,just in front of the security gates.He didn't seem to be moving ,and my friend actually says"there's one who had too much to drink!''.Nobody else was in the hall ,probably due to the late hour.
My guess was he had tried to climb over the closed security gates ,and had a bad fall...or something..
As we were approaching the downed man......something clicked.....call it intuition or whatever....but I stopped ,about 50 feet of the guy....and let the other passengers catch up with us.
A girl ran past us...approached the"victim"....and layed her hand on his neck to check his pulse......at that point the guy punches her in the face ,while taking her bag with his other hand as she fell.
He jumped like a cat over the security gates ,back outside ,and he was gone into the night.

Morale: stop ,look and listen before providing assistance.Lesson learned.
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by jor-el » Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:54 am

What city was this?
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by paleman » Mon Dec 29, 2014 1:55 pm

What happened to the lady?

Did anyone give chase or was everyone passive?

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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by charlie505 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 12:19 pm

He said subway - my bet is NYC!

Lots of Apple Picking going on in the subways these days!

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Post by JohnE » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm

My bet it never actually happened...
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by streetshark1966 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 12:15 pm

All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.

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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by Random » Wed Jan 28, 2015 3:03 pm

To all of you criticising ,please come live under european laws for some time.We don't have .45's ,gats ,12 gauges ,six-shooters ,or tactical underpants ,they want us to be sitting ducks for statistics. Worst thing is - we don't even have laws to defend us average joes anymore.All we got left is ourselves and our closest ones.Yes sadly ,,that brings the feeling of doubt much more often into question ,if something ,we learn to be more aware ,rather than to be more determined.

As for the guy in question ,i don't think it was something he had set up in advance- playing the roadkill to snatch a purse - he gambled to seek some attention ,and he took full advantage of it.

A few years ago ,they didn't even have gates at the subway entrances in Brussels ,one could come and go as he pleased ,from outside - up until the platform,ticket or no ticket.It was based on common sense ,but ,due to increasing fraud ,they set up some gates ,at certain stations only.

The - old guy slips on ice and steals the wallet of the person helping him up- is pretty common.....even in the rain....
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by Random » Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:21 pm

streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
In europe ,"heroes" do not fall in glory on the battle field ,they go to jail and pay fines ,for not being "politically correct".
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by the_alias » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:04 pm

streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
:roll:
Easy to armchair.

In reality these things happen very quickly and people are surprised by them into inaction. I bet the incident took less than a 2 seconds to unfold.

I don't know how bad Belgium is but most European countries laws will protect you if you defend yourself, don't fall into the trap of thinking you're a victim because you can't carry a Glock.
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by Neptune Glory » Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:18 pm

streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
I don't agree with this statement, either. Having been a paramedic in New York City, even I would be wary about checking a man down in a subway station unless I was on duty and my partner was with me. We functioned almost like police officers: one would check the patient, the other would hang back a step or two and keep an eye on the scene.

I don't think I'd have done anything differently than the OP. After the woman got punched and purse-snatched, I'd probably offer to call law enforcement and/or give her some basic first aid, if she needed it.

If I had come across that guy and I was all by myself, more than likely, I'd wait to get within touching difference... just watch and try to make sure he was breathing. Once a police officer or another public servant arrived, I'd ask them to keep an eye on me and then assess the person more thoroughly.

Just my two cents from experience.
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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by Random » Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:49 pm

the_alias wrote:
streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
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Easy to armchair.

In reality these things happen very quickly and people are surprised by them into inaction. I bet the incident took less than a 2 seconds to unfold.

I don't know how bad Belgium is but most European countries laws will protect you if you defend yourself, don't fall into the trap of thinking you're a victim because you can't carry a Glock.
Hi alias ,
My bad for the firearm sarcasm - the right tool should be used for the right job in every given situation - ,the most powerful one being your brain. But you also need laws to back you up and build up confidence ,if not else.Perps are arrested ,true ,but quickly released.

For ex ,this friend of mine ,"dared" to defend himself (with mace) against a much bigger thug ,who was chasing him ,for the sheer pleasure of nightly fisticuffs.Eventually he caught up with my friend ,threw some kicks and some scraping punches ,luckily ,not far from a police station.Both of them were picked up by the cops.Guess who had to do overtime ,filling statements about the use of a forbidden weapon?
Even mace is a no-no in some countries.The thug didn't leave any distinctive bruises on my friend ,so ,as far as the cops were concerned ,it was public disorder and that's all.

As he finally left the station ,guess who was waiting on a bench across the street ,a bit further?The thug ,shouting insults and threats.My friend got into a cab and got the hell outta Dodge.

The medias here encourage us every year with their statistics ,showing consistent drops in crime rate.Great! You get mugged once ,you file charges ,nothing gets done.The second time ,same story.The third time ,why even bother to press charges?
No charges ,no crime ,nothing for statistics....life is great!

As for the thug's punching the girl in the subway ,well ,it wasn't what you may call a "haymaker" .....more of a 'push in the face" ,as to make her lose balance from her crouching position.Instead of actually pulling the bag ,he pushed the girl out of the strap on her shoulder ,while firmly holding the bag with his other hand.
Cops were called ,but we didn't hang around....the girl was ok ,I remember she had this sarcastic smile on her face ,showing mostly disappointment ,if not anger.
"Lady, I never walk into a place I don't know how to walk out of." - Robert de Niro - Ronin

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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by tedbeau » Tue Feb 10, 2015 4:40 pm

the_alias wrote:
streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
:roll:
Easy to armchair.

In reality these things happen very quickly and people are surprised by them into inaction. I bet the incident took less than a 2 seconds to unfold.

I don't know how bad Belgium is but most European countries laws will protect you if you defend yourself, don't fall into the trap of thinking you're a victim because you can't carry a Glock.
I recall reading a post (on ZS I think) about two Americans that were attacked by to foreigners in a European country. The attackers had butcher knives. They didn't realize the Americans were both military. One was a martial art specialist and one had been on the US Olympic wrestling team. The Americans proceeded to kick some butt. The attack was witnessed by two police officers. The police did nothing during the attack but once it was over and the attackers were down and seriously injured for their trouble the police proceeded to arrest the Americans because it was illegal to cause bodily damage to another person. It didn't matter that the Americans were unarmed and attacked for no reason other than being American. Because they won and they harmed the aggressors the local law prosecutes anyone that harms someone.
Luckily they were able to contact their home base and their commanding officer came into the police station, chewed everyone in the building out and demanded the solders release.

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Re: Glad I didn't help out!

Post by JohnE » Wed Feb 11, 2015 6:18 pm

tedbeau wrote:
the_alias wrote:
streetshark1966 wrote:All you men in that group should feel like real heroes. stand there watching one man punch a lady in the face and take her hand bag. Way to go guys. You and your friend should be at the top of the list, aspecially if you thought he mite be faking.
:roll:
Easy to armchair.

In reality these things happen very quickly and people are surprised by them into inaction. I bet the incident took less than a 2 seconds to unfold.

I don't know how bad Belgium is but most European countries laws will protect you if you defend yourself, don't fall into the trap of thinking you're a victim because you can't carry a Glock.
I recall reading a post (on ZS I think) about two Americans that were attacked by to foreigners in a European country. The attackers had butcher knives. They didn't realize the Americans were both military. One was a martial art specialist and one had been on the US Olympic wrestling team. The Americans proceeded to kick some butt. The attack was witnessed by two police officers. The police did nothing during the attack but once it was over and the attackers were down and seriously injured for their trouble the police proceeded to arrest the Americans because it was illegal to cause bodily damage to another person. It didn't matter that the Americans were unarmed and attacked for no reason other than being American. Because they won and they harmed the aggressors the local law prosecutes anyone that harms someone.
Luckily they were able to contact their home base and their commanding officer came into the police station, chewed everyone in the building out and demanded the solders release.

Yeah that happened...

Where do you guys come up with this nonsense?
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