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Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:14 pm
by Dawgboy
Yes, State fish and game does support my right to kill it... I am too close to other homes to get away with more than one gunshot though...

I have an 8ft Chainlink along the side that faces open country, and 6 foot around the rest. I have seen coyotes climb fences, they really are not much of an obstacle to a streetwise 'yote... Now maybe a hot wire on top...

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:32 pm
by Paladin1
Wow, glad he's OK! Around here there has been quite the uptick in sightings and more than one dog/cat gone missing.

I pity the coyote that wanders into my backyard looking for something to snatch, Ranger would probably play-with-him to death. :evil:

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:57 am
by theswampthing
Conibear trap and bait. If that's legal...

First thing I would do though, is call the Game Warden if you haven't already. He or she would probably be pretty helpful.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:15 am
by Ansgar
Dawgboy wrote:Yes, State fish and game does support my right to kill it... I am too close to other homes to get away with more than one gunshot though...

I have an 8ft Chainlink along the side that faces open country, and 6 foot around the rest. I have seen coyotes climb fences, they really are not much of an obstacle to a streetwise 'yote... Now maybe a hot wire on top...
If you only get one shot, better make it count... :crazy:
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But seriously, glad to hear the little fella's okay. I told the wife about it and she got pretty worried, she's got a huge soft spot for dogs, especially the lowrider ones.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:30 pm
by Dawgboy
An update on Dweezel, He is healing well, no signs of infection and got a rabies/parvo booster just in case. My gf sent me a picture of him sunning in the yard not 3 feet from where the world almost ended. He is moving now, but very much like A young man on his 3rd day in prison...

Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 5:38 pm
by wee drop o' bush
Glad he's recovering :D

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 6:22 pm
by bonanacrom
Never underestimate the wee dogs. " it's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog " I took that as true when my last dog, a cockerspaniel walked away from a fight with a black bear.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:16 pm
by Turtlewolf
If you are the home owner or have permission from the other home owners within range (verbal is just fine) I can shoot and kill, with a firearm, any predator me or my nieghbors deem a threat.
That said, I can only imagine how screwed up that coyote is those wienerhunds are nasty little dirty fighters. More than one pit bull or other agressive large large dog I've heard stories of loosing fights (and BADLY loosing) to them so I'm not surprised that yote got its ass handed to it.
Jack Russles are well knowen scrappers as well, can take a massive ammount of dammage and still win a fight.
I also found out that basset hounds (like my own 3 year old 80lb lap dog) are dirty fighters, a friend of mine had to get rid of his hush puppy because it was beating his pit bulls so badly that they were going sketchy and they just couldn't adapt to something that they would grab by the neck only to discover they had 2 feet of skin and the basset was opening up thier stomach-or trying to!
Check the laws about your bow Dawgboy and get permission from your neighbors if that helps as it does me!
I've already got permission to shoot anything dangerous to anyones children.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:34 pm
by Dawgboy
Dweezel is a scrapper, once treed 5 raccoons at the same time and is constantly dismantling rodents. He even got a crow this summer... I talked to the neighbors that separate my place from the wilds, and they are very good with the idea of me nailing a Coyote or two... Think I might get one of these, and then a quick dispatch with a 1022 and an Aguilla subsonic 60 grain .22 to the head. Quick and quiet... Fish and game told me there is nothing they can do, but I do have the right to kill a predator preying on my livestock without a hunting permit.

Edit... http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/ ... _200480405

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:37 pm
by Paladin1
Great to hear the recovery is progressing.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 7:46 pm
by TravisM.1
Dawgboy wrote: Anybody think I could drop a full size Coyote with a Gamo whisper at close range? it's 1200fps and a lot quieter than a .22 or my .40... Thinking of baiting this one we have working the neighborhood.
I'd damn sure try it. It's a predatory varmint after all. Let it crawl into it's den and die.

My uncles have told me of when they were boys, S.O.P. for coyotes was to gut-shoot them with whatever you had, and trail them back to the den, where the whole pack of them would be killed. Of course at the time, there were a lot of small farms around with their own chickens, lambs, sheep and other animals being raised for food, and anything cutting into that was dealt with as a threat, not in the touchey-feeley "call the game commissioner, we need to be humane" way things are done now.

ETA- Glad to hear your dog's ok. I'm not a pet guy, but I can appreciate the attachment.
Ansgar wrote:But seriously, glad to hear the little fella's okay. I told the wife about it and she got pretty worried, she's got a huge soft spot for dogs, especially the lowrider ones.
:rofl:

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:10 pm
by Vicarious_Lee
TravisM.1 wrote:
Dawgboy wrote: Anybody think I could drop a full size Coyote with a Gamo whisper at close range? it's 1200fps and a lot quieter than a .22 or my .40... Thinking of baiting this one we have working the neighborhood.
I'd damn sure try it. It's a predatory varmint after all. Let it crawl into it's den and die.

My uncles have told me of when they were boys, S.O.P. for coyotes was to gut-shoot them with whatever you had, and trail them back to the den, where the whole pack of them would be killed. Of course at the time, there were a lot of small farms around with their own chickens, lambs, sheep and other animals being raised for food, and anything cutting into that was dealt with as a threat, not in the touchey-feeley "call the game commissioner, we need to be humane" way things are done now.

ETA- Glad to hear your dog's ok. I'm not a pet guy, but I can appreciate the attachment.
Ansgar wrote:But seriously, glad to hear the little fella's okay. I told the wife about it and she got pretty worried, she's got a huge soft spot for dogs, especially the lowrider ones.
:rofl:
I'm not sure if I would, because coyotes are pound-for-pound one of the toughest animals in North America. I think a headshot while trapped is all I'd ever attempt with a .22, but then again I'm not into torturing animals. Some guys on the coast will use surf fishing rigs with steak to hook coyotes in the mouths and drag them close before killing them as a sport.

There's two schools of thought as to whether people like that should be allowed to live in a free society.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 8:27 pm
by TravisM.1
Vicarious_Lee wrote:I'm not sure if I would, because coyotes are pound-for-pound one of the toughest animals in North America. I think a headshot while trapped is all I'd ever attempt with a .22, but then again I'm not into torturing animals. Some guys on the coast will use surf fishing rigs with steak to hook coyotes in the mouths and drag them close before killing them as a sport.

There's two schools of thought as to whether people like that should be allowed to live in a free society.
Given the choice between causing a predatory animal a slow death and letting it chew on my dog, my neighbors dog, or who knows what, I'm afraid it's gonna suffer.

With that said, "Coyote Fishing" sounds like a bit much.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2012 9:06 pm
by Turtlewolf
Vicarious_Lee, I can attest to the fact that a 40 grain solid from a .22LR kills coyotes just fine, they aren't actualy that tough at all in my experience.
I actualy consider them (and cougars) soft targets.
This is from a life on a farm deep in the bush country where we frequently had black bear, wolf and coyote pretty close by.
.22LR in the hands of a capable shoter is plenty humane on the runty little pups I've seen pictures of south of the 49th IMHO and it kills our bigger ones just fine too within about 60 meters or so.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 2:24 pm
by slannesh
Glad to hear your dog is on the mend!

Honestly, for a coyote coming into your yard and especially one that's a known pet eater, any means available is fine by me. That being said, I certainly don't advocate letting any animal suffer unnecessarily. Put it down any way you legally can and go from there.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2012 3:35 pm
by Tommy Tran
I like the trap it method... then 1 nice shot and you have a nice rug for yer dog to sleep on...
Here in the SW I've seen street yotes pop over some HIGH fences and walls like it wasnt a thang! Thats one thing about yote hunting... yeah Im cool with taking one out in a regular area but I'd really prefer to be popping the ones around where I live, there are huge packs of them!

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2012 2:28 pm
by Dawgboy
Talked to DFG about my issue, and I was told if the Coyote is on your property, don't hesitate to shoot it. I was also told it won't make a difference as the food chain gap will be refilled quickly. I was given some other suggestions like put up a game cam and determine where they are getting in and put a bright light on a motion sensor there...

And was directed to this decent article from 100 miles to the north of me:
http://www.ocregister.com/news/coyotes- ... ewell.html

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:30 pm
by NC5thcav
I hate coyotes with a passion. We have lost several cows and calves to them. This is one my FIL got two years ago, right in the backyard.
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Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 1:39 pm
by Dawgboy
Srsly, a cow??? Calves I could see, but cows are very large...

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:01 pm
by Browning 35
I'm not sure about your State or local laws, but here it's actually legal to shoot a coyote or a dog if it attacks your pet or livestock even if you're in city limits.

http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/D ... HS.822.htm
Sec. 822.013. DOGS OR COYOTES THAT ATTACK ANIMALS. (a) A dog or coyote that is attacking, is about to attack, or has recently attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may be killed by:
(1) any person witnessing the attack; or
(2) the attacked animal's owner or a person acting on behalf of the owner if the owner or person has knowledge of the attack.
(b) A person who kills a dog or coyote as provided by this section is not liable for damages to the owner, keeper, or person in control of the dog or coyote.
(c) A person who discovers on the person's property a dog or coyote known or suspected of having killed livestock, domestic animals, or fowls may detain or impound the dog or coyote and return it to its owner or deliver the dog or coyote to the local animal control authority. The owner of the dog or coyote is liable for all costs incurred in the capture and care of the dog or coyote and all damage done by the dog or coyote.
(d) The owner, keeper, or person in control of a dog or coyote that is known to have attacked livestock, domestic animals, or fowls shall control the dog or coyote in a manner approved by the local animal control authority.
(e) A person is not required to acquire a hunting license under Section 42.002, Parks and Wildlife Code, to kill a dog or coyote under this section.

Added by Acts 1989, 71st Leg., ch. 678, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 1989. Renumbered from Health & Safety Code Sec. 822.033 and amended by Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1002, Sec. 1, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.
Also have a famous example.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/04/28/the ... k-the-law/

The Gov also cited the same health and safety code.

What's the alternative? Just watch your pet get killed? Screw that.
Dawgboy wrote:Srsly, a cow??? Calves I could see, but cows are very large...
Yeah, they've actually been known to kill cows. Usually it's calves because they're smaller and easier to take on, but it still happens pretty often. Often enough for most ranchers and farmers to kill coyotes on sight.

I'm glad the little guy's okay.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:20 pm
by NC5thcav
Dawgboy wrote:Srsly, a cow??? Calves I could see, but cows are very large...
Yeah, but coyotes are smart. They won't take on a healthy grown cow, they wait till they get down calving, then kill both.

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:14 pm
by skelco
glad the little sausage survived, they're tough little suckers

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:33 pm
by Browning 35
Mostly coyotes will attack, kill and eat smaller and younger animals as they're easier kills. Rodents, squirrels, rabbits, fawns and then domestic animals like lambs/sheep, goats and calves are all pretty vulnerable to coyote attacks. But if they're hungry enough they'll go after full size deer, cattle and sometimes even horses. They kill the larger animal by biting the backs of their legs, wearing them down, letting them bleed out and then going in for the kill.

For instance here's game cam footage of a coyote attacking a deer that shows their methods pretty well.

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Around here it's mostly pets that are generally let loose out of the house/yard and that wander away from the house in outlying areas, chickens, turkey or calves if they're not going after rodents, squirrels, rabbits or other small wildlife.

If they've lost some of their fear of humans they'll even attack and try to drag small children into the brush. That's really rare though and mostly I've heard about it in places where they aren't pressured or hunted and where some dumbasses feed them.

Edit : Just checked and the last child killed in a confirmed coyote attack was in the United States was in 1980. According to one of the articles I read there have been at least 35 other attacks that would have been fatal to a child if an adult hadn't intervened.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... tes_2.html

http://tchester.org/sgm/lists/coyote_attacks.html

http://www.varmintal.com/attac.htm


In Canada there was that one lady that was killed by them though. That was pretty much a freak thing though from what I understand of the case.

http://m.thestar.com/news/canada/articl ... yotes?bn=1

Re: Coyote ~vs~ Wienerdawg

Posted: Thu Dec 13, 2012 2:50 am
by Boromokot
That's crazy. Glad to hear your dogs doing good. To me, dogs are family, so honestly, i wouldn't hesitate to set up some bait and take that coyote down.
If it's legal, i'd think about setting a rope snare with some bells to wake you when he's caught. After that, bring him down with either the .22 or the bow and make your wienie a nice coyote pelt. Others will think twice when they see him wearing the skin or their brethren