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Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 9:49 am

So if you were in this Wal-Mart and this happened what would you do?

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by KentsOkay » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:01 am

JustInCase wrote:So if you were in this Wal-Mart and this happened what would you do?

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Keep calm and GTFO of the store.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:05 am

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Tater Raider » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:11 am

Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:22 am

KentsOkay wrote:
JustInCase wrote:So if you were in this Wal-Mart and this happened what would you do?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Flash-mob- ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Keep calm and GTFO of the store.
Since they were mob & robbing at the main enterence, would you get out through one of the emergency exit / fire doors? (This is assuming that this Wal-Mart is not in a mall setting.) What if you found that once you had exited through said emergency door, that there was a group of teens say 10 or 12 waiting for you?
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:22 am


Great links thank you!
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:23 am

Tater Raider wrote:Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.
What if a group of the teens spotted you taking video and tried to surround you to get your recording device?
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Jsimmonsgr » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:41 am

Walk away as quick as possible with out drawing attention, if you are assaulted then defend yourself. If I am ever in this situation and find myself in fear for my life or my familys lives then I will probably use any and all means to get my family and myself to safety, if that means having to use lethal force then so be it. I hope that I will never be in a situation that calls for that response but I do train for it, and if given no other choice, I will do whatever I have to.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Gingerbread Man » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:42 am

IMO, this is the perfect case for pepper spray. It's part of my daily carry. There is no way you can discern who is a threat and who is not in a large mass of people like that. However, by it's actions the mob itself is a threat. If it becomes aggressive you can give it a couple of doses and retreat. I do not think lethal force is justified or warranted unless there is a specific threat to you. There is no way to fight a mass with empty hand, gun fire may very well hit the wrong person and you need a deterrent to make space. A taser would be equally ineffective as it work only on one person. If deemed necessary, hose and run. Take into account you very well maybe subject to the effects of the spray as well.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:58 am

JustInCase wrote:
Tater Raider wrote:Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.
What if a group of the teens spotted you taking video and tried to surround you to get your recording device?
Moving the goal posts in a WWYD is poor form.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Tater Raider » Sat Jul 28, 2012 10:59 am

JustInCase wrote:
Tater Raider wrote:Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.
What if a group of the teens spotted you taking video and tried to surround you to get your recording device?
Go down swinging. If I survive, press charges. If I don't, family knows to press charges. Since 2 relatives are LEO, another a dispatcher, and the Uncle a retired detective I'm sure justice will be served.

I didn't say it was smart, I said it was what I would do. You can like the answer or not but it's my answer.

I can get mean and sometimes lack a sense of self preservation. Same question posted tomorrow may have a different response.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by TDW586 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:04 am

Try as best I can to not look wealthy or like an authority figure, move as quickly as possible away from the crowd, leave the area. Call the cops once out of the area just in case they haven't already been notified.

Large retail stores tend to have security cameras, no need for be to videotape anything. My goal is to avoid the crowd's attention and get out. If that fails and a hostile mob is targeting me for violence, that's a different discussion and I would respond appropriately, up to and including lethal force, if it becomes necessary.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:05 am

phil_in_cs wrote:
JustInCase wrote:
Tater Raider wrote:Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.
What if a group of the teens spotted you taking video and tried to surround you to get your recording device?
Moving the goal posts in a WWYD is poor form.

That was not my intent, though I can see it being precieved that way. I am just adding a next step beyond the initial action/problem.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:08 am

Tater Raider wrote:
JustInCase wrote:
Tater Raider wrote:Keep head down, take video, pics with cell, turn in memory card to the police.
What if a group of the teens spotted you taking video and tried to surround you to get your recording device?
Go down swinging. If I survive, press charges. If I don't, family knows to press charges. Since 2 relatives are LEO, another a dispatcher, and the Uncle a retired detective I'm sure justice will be served.

I didn't say it was smart, I said it was what I would do. You can like the answer or not but it's my answer.

I can get mean and sometimes lack a sense of self preservation. Same question posted tomorrow may have a different response.
Cool beans.

Just for the record, I did not pass judgement on your actions. It does not matter if I like your answer or not. I just thought to take the "what if" one step further based on your answer to the first what if.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Tater Raider » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:10 am

None taken. Just wanted to be clear is all. :)

EtA: The LEO's in the family wouldn't like my answer at all. :lol:

I can't help but notice that the police are using a Facebook video posted by one of the suspects to ID others. Play stupid games...

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by JustInCase » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:12 am

Regular Guy wrote:IMO, this is the perfect case for pepper spray. It's part of my daily carry. There is no way you can discern who is a threat and who is not in a large mass of people like that. However, by it's actions the mob itself is a threat. If it becomes aggressive you can give it a couple of doses and retreat. I do not think lethal force is justified or warranted unless there is a specific threat to you. There is no way to fight a mass with empty hand, gun fire may very well hit the wrong person and you need a deterrent to make space. A taser would be equally ineffective as it work only on one person. If deemed necessary, hose and run. Take into account you very well maybe subject to the effects of the spray as well.

Just my thoughts, as always, assess the situation as you see fit.
Excellent points.

I think this situation clearly shows that one needs to have options.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by phil_in_cs » Sat Jul 28, 2012 11:19 am

For me, taking photos/videos is a waste of time. Everything in a walmart is already on video. I will GTFO w/ me and mine via the rear of store fire exits.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by KentsOkay » Sat Jul 28, 2012 12:13 pm

JustInCase wrote:
KentsOkay wrote:
JustInCase wrote:So if you were in this Wal-Mart and this happened what would you do?

http://www.news4jax.com/news/Flash-mob- ... index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Keep calm and GTFO of the store.
Since they were mob & robbing at the main enterence, would you get out through one of the emergency exit / fire doors? (This is assuming that this Wal-Mart is not in a mall setting.) What if you found that once you had exited through said emergency door, that there was a group of teens say 10 or 12 waiting for you?
I would try for an emergency exit first. Most mobs are only interested destruction of property, if I where but a shopper at Wal-Mart I would feel relatively safe, especially if I can "grey man" by throwing some toilet paper around and shouting stuff like "down with capitalists!". If directly threatened or I see them picking on/attacking someone defenseless IE mother and child or old person, time to make the best man vs. mob found footage video ever. If escape is clear, bull rush the biggest and meanest looking and break something on him or introduces his insides to the outsides (I'm never anywhere without a knife). Rinse and repeat as needed, get away. Why get away? Because you justed busted one of a mob up, there are about to be 299 hooligans on your ass, and I leave my Spartan shield and spear at home. Good luck with those odds in the best of circumstances.

Now, should my major electronics retail store be rushed by a mob of hooligans, I'd take off my uniform blue polo shirt, direct fellow employees to do the same and corral them towards an emergency exit. Fuck locking yourself into an office/break room, that's just bad shit waiting to happen. I will most undoubtedly have my flashlight, leatherman, boots, heavy belt with punch knife, and a tape measure for strangling. If I am, or a comrade/innocent bystander is directly attacked, I will do my best to fuck them up right back and get away. Unless he is one of those major douchebags I have the displeasure of working with.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Dawgboy » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:02 pm

Tater Raider wrote: Go down swinging. If I survive, press charges. If I don't, family knows to press charges. Since 2 relatives are LEO, another a dispatcher, and the Uncle a retired detective I'm sure justice will be served.
Snipped for clarity...

Don't take this as an attack Tater, but does this mean you expect a different standard of justice for you because you have family in the law enforcement business? Because that is sure how it sounds...
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by TDW586 » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:05 pm

I think it was very clear that he meant he was confident his family would pursue justice, and be familiar with how to do so.
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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Pilsung » Sat Jul 28, 2012 1:06 pm

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/photos/top-rated/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by Tater Raider » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:05 pm

Dawgboy wrote:
Tater Raider wrote: Go down swinging. If I survive, press charges. If I don't, family knows to press charges. Since 2 relatives are LEO, another a dispatcher, and the Uncle a retired detective I'm sure justice will be served.
Snipped for clarity...

Don't take this as an attack Tater, but does this mean you expect a different standard of justice for you because you have family in the law enforcement business? Because that is sure how it sounds...
I'm not taking that as an attack at all. :D Yes, I expect a different standard of justice and I'll explain why.

They know how the system works.

That's it. No good-ol'-boy network or expectations of different treatment because I'm so-and-so's nephew/cousin. I know my family and they know the system and they will make sure it doesn't get lost in the cracks. Too often cases end up politicized or forgotten and they will do their best to avoid allowing either to happen. Please don't read more into it than that though. Once it gets before the judge I will end up treated like everyone else, as is right.

Also, what Pilsung said.


EtA: Please note, my answer is stupid, dangerous, and next to useless but atm that's my likely reaction, even having thought it out, due to... let's call it "stuff". I know beter but sometimes I do stupid stuff anyways. Don't try this at home, you'll likely end up injured or worse and for nothing.

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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by yossarian » Sat Jul 28, 2012 2:42 pm

If it's one of those Wal-mart trips where I have to trek across the damn store 42 times because my phone keeps ringing...."Oh yeah, we need toilet paper........hey I just realized we need butter too....envelopes, we're out of envelopes...." Then I'll probably just shoot every damn one of them and wait patiently at the checkout with my Greek yogurt and Kotex thin maxis, not ultra thin dammit that's what you got me last time, I said thin, just plain thin.


If its a quick in and out trip because I didn't mention to anyone that I was going, then I would just avoid them and head for the nearest exit.




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Re: Flash Mob & Rob of a WalMart

Post by jakecwu » Sat Jul 28, 2012 3:34 pm

I don't really have anything to add to the discussion...but why do these things always happen in Florida??

And pepper spray FTW.

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