Invasion Right Now! The first six hours, what would you do?

[bigmattdaddywack]

I would die. I am fat and have no formal military training.


I am also not smart enough to stay out of the fight.

I might have some luck trying to get the local hood rats to carjack the invaders. Will there APC's have rims?

I myself as well Braxton am a fat bastard. I am also dumb enough to get involved as well. But we fat bastards have tricks up our sleeve. Plus we are from STL and ESTL, we can practice right now combat and evasion by walking through certain neighborhoods of our fine metro area. Only those from the Detroit area of Michigan and Gary, Indiana may have the ability and places for more intense practice.

[Tater Raider]

Just seeing me, RG's, Squinty's, and Tater's avatars consecutively makes me think like we've got the cast assembled for the most fucked up Disney movie ever, and we're just waiting for a plot.

Night of the Living Dead meets Over the Hedge?

[HKTackDriver]

Step 1: Get out of the building(corporate NYC), Pack emergency food from desk into solar backpack(remove solar panels if defunct from EMP), grab toolkit and umbrella knife sword.
Step 2: Buy or steal a bicycle once on the street(use mini bolt cutters to assist).
Step 3: Shit man, get out of dodge, I'd likley try a bridge or tunnel, both are pretty screwed methods of getting out. Perhaps I'd make a torch and attempt to walk out of the train tunnel into jersey. The train tracks go through no mans lands, and avoid population for a while.

You'll probably get the warning by a mod in a couple of minutes, but discussing the real world reactions to these scenarios is frowned upon in this forum. They see the discussion of "illegal activities" (aka self preservation) as being contrary to the humanitarian mission of ZS. You're better off saying, "I'll go down to my bike and cut the lock off and get out of dodge."

[squinty]

Step 1: Get out of the building(corporate NYC), Pack emergency food from desk into solar backpack(remove solar panels if defunct from EMP), grab toolkit and umbrella knife sword.
Step 2: Buy or steal a bicycle once on the street(use mini bolt cutters to assist).
Step 3: Shit man, get out of dodge, I'd likley try a bridge or tunnel, both are pretty screwed methods of getting out. Perhaps I'd make a torch and attempt to walk out of the train tunnel into jersey. The train tracks go through no mans lands, and avoid population for a while.

You'll probably get the warning by a mod in a couple of minutes, but discussing the real world reactions to these scenarios is frowned upon in this forum. They see the discussion of "illegal activities" (aka self preservation) as being contrary to the humanitarian mission of ZS. You're better off saying, "I'll go down to my bike and cut the lock off and get out of dodge."

First thing I do after the invasion? Like, the very first thing? I find the jerk that stole my bicycle, leaving me stranded in the middle of an invasion, and I dang well get it back. (His umbrellaknifesword won't save him, either.)

[Offroad94]

1.Put on some camo
2.find my new 5FDP CD
3. Pick Up my friends
4.Cut a hole in the roof of the SUV for a turret location
5. Go to town

[Almighty]

Step 1: Get out of the building(corporate NYC), Pack emergency food from desk into solar backpack(remove solar panels if defunct from EMP), grab toolkit and umbrella knife sword.
Step 2: Buy or steal a bicycle once on the street(use mini bolt cutters to assist).
Step 3: Shit man, get out of dodge, I'd likley try a bridge or tunnel, both are pretty screwed methods of getting out. Perhaps I'd make a torch and attempt to walk out of the train tunnel into jersey. The train tracks go through no mans lands, and avoid population for a while.

Dude, we don't steal.

It's bug out/in with what you've got. IOW, come as you are.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

I may not have any military training or have a military background like a lot of folks on ZS, but I can be a very determined and very dangerous individual if the need arises. If the invaders came through Texas, they'd have over 25 million pissed off and well armed men, women and children to deal with and I'd be one of them.

Now, assuming I'm not dead within the first hour, I make sure my loved ones are ok, check my supplies and see what I can do to screw with the invaders. More than likely, I'm going to be killed, but if I have to die I'm taking as many of the invaders as I can with me.

[Tater Raider]

You'll probably get the warning by a mod in a couple of minutes, but discussing the real world reactions to these scenarios is frowned upon in this forum. They see the discussion of "illegal activities" (aka self preservation) as being contrary to the humanitarian mission of ZS. You're better off saying, "I'll go down to my bike and cut the lock off and get out of dodge."

If it's illegal there's no need to put it in quotes.

In a PAW, rules change. Some laws are common clear down from the first recorded laws to today, like don't steal, rape, or murder while some are a bit more fluid, like there's a bike, no one is around, it isn't locked up, hell, it looks abandoned - what to do? Completely different set of circumstances.

Now if you have an issue with ZS wanting to maintain a good image and enforce it's policies so it can keep its 501(c)(3) status and continue to fundraise for awareness and disaster relief then do us both a favor and don't let the door hit you where Nature split you on the way out. However, if you like this place then quitcherbitchin' about legal v. illegal activities. Our being here is a privilege and not a right so follow the rules and don't crap where you live.

Have a nice day.

[Kommander]

Speaking of illegal isn't the whole non uniformed civilian resistance illegal in the first place?

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

Speaking of illegal isn't the whole non uniformed civilian resistance illegal in the first place?

That might be a gray area, but you've got a point, Kommander.

[shrapnel]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

[Kommander]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

You have fun explaining that to the firing squad.

[Regular Guy]

Speaking of illegal isn't the whole non uniformed civilian resistance illegal in the first place?

I'm going to argue that it is lawful and constitutionally mandated.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
To have a free state, not under the rule of a foreign power, means there must be a militia. With the militia comes defending that free state.
We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Provide for a common defense, so if the militia must maintain a free state and they provide the common defense, and the militia is ALL men 18-45 of able body then it's our duty to defend against foreign invaders.
Right there, in our original document.

Furthermore, I present, my good friends, section 8:
Section. 8.
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

In section 8, it clearly states: To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

Since we are the militia, we are to repel invasions.

Good people, the Great State of South Carolina rests it's case.

ETA: AMERICA, FUCK YEAH!

[Regular Guy]

Just seeing me, RG's, Squinty's, and Tater's avatars consecutively makes me think like we've got the cast assembled for the most fucked up Disney movie ever, and we're just waiting for a plot.

Tin foiled hat sheep aka Blah-Blah, The Dubious White Rabbit, Ruckus Raccoon and the Man with the Crazy Eyes set off on a marvelous, mayhem filled adventure. They fight dragons and the undead, score with many, many, many fine ladies and find love, friendship and syphilis in this one of a kind wacky movie.

[12_Gauge_Chimp]

Ok, Regular Guy pretty much summed it up for me.

If someone decided to try and invade the US, it'd be my duty as an American to repel them as best I could.

The gentleman from Texas bows to the gentleman from South Carolina and his knowledge.

[Kommander]

I was thinking more along the lines of the international rules for warfare.

[DarkAxel]

I was thinking more along the lines of the international rules for warfare.

It's not illegal, per se, it's just that the Geneva Convention doesn't offer non-uniformed resistance any protection.

[raptor]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

You have fun explaining that to the firing squad.

I do not think that any armed force that engages in limited nuclear war, invasion of the US and the resulting total war that follows is going to observe the Geneva Convention, treat armed resistance fighters (in uniform or other wise) as lawful and legitimate combatants or otherwise not engage in total war in a manner that would shock General Sherman.

However, yes if you wear a fixed distinctive sign recognizable at a distance (i.e. an armband), are a "member of a militia, volunteer corps, or organized resistance movement belonging to a State party engaged in recognized hostilities, are under responsible command, carry arms openly, and abide by the law of war, you are technically a lawful combatant.

If you do that, they may take you back for questioning before they simply shoot you. Any such combat would likely be on a "no quarter, no prisoners" basis.

[TDW586]

That would be the Hague Convention, which deals with the rules of land warfare, not the Geneva Convention.

Militia resistance is not generally illegal under any international law, nor are irregular forces. They must wear some sort of uniform (yes, a single identifying item such as an armband counts according to the Hague Convention), have a chain of command, and represent a recognized state. In this case, US law clearly provides for militia as already mentioned, so if a chain of command is established and uniforms are worn, militia resistance would not be illegal so long as they followed the other laws of land warfare such as not targeting civilian populations, medical personnell and equipment, and so on.

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[TDW586]

Sorry, Raptor already covered it. Just adding a link:

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hague04.asp

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[bigmattdaddywack]

I believe, but could be totally wrong, that armbands count as uniforms for guerrilla/irregular forces. I might be making that up, though.

According to international law that is correct. You must wear a recognizable insignia. But all of the fuckers we fought, with the exception of the Wehrmacht in WWI and WWII (well at least on the Western Front) didn't give a shit about International Law. I am sure whoever would invade would not give a shit.


ETA The Spaniards were not evil bastards either.

The Waffen SS were monsters usually. I have a soft spot in my heart for the Finnish SS units though.

[Paratus]

You hear that the president declares martial law and we are ordered to stay inside after 6PM to 8AM and await further instructions.
UDR

I really need to ask this:

While some may think I'm trying to stet a fight, I really am confused here.
The USA is being invaded, and based on from what I could tell from the original post, facing extinction.

Why is a curfew announced?

[raptor]

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Why is a curfew announced?

Not the OP here, but what would expect to happen?











The real answer is that this is WWYD so the OP decides the scenario.

[Paratus]

The real answer is that this is WWYD so the OP decides the scenario.

I suppose.

Anyway, I'd probably want for the bastards to come to Colorado and make my last stand there.

(some cool music upon a tall mountain, and I'd be all set to fight to the death.)