Invasion Right Now! The first six hours, what would you do?

[shrapnel]

Yeah... back on topic, please.

[Bob Bobberino]

I concur. I hate when threads get derailed.

[Mr. E. Monkey]

As others have said, load magazines and get behind my blade of grass.

Assuming I'm not at work. Home, sick, perhaps.

At 9am, I'd already be at work, not listening to the radio, dealing with traffic, or any of that in the OP. If I'm at work, I'm probably doing nothing at all, because we might have been hit by one of the EMP causing events. A military installation near the Mexican border, we might just be a target. If I can't find a friendly armorer, I'm trying to get off post to my own supplies. And try to get my wife and daughter someplace safer so that I can try to be destructive.

[mariposa]

At 9 a.m. on a Wednesday, I'd be at work. Once I got news of the event, I'd try to gather as much information as possible, try to get home and be as inconspicuous as possible. I would hope my daughter would get home, and we would decide what to do based on any information we could obtain.

Even though I'm in Texas, I don't think the enemy could make it to my area in 6 hours. Texas has its own military forces: Texas Army National Guard, Texas Air National Guard, Texas State Guard, in addition to many armed civilians. They would put up enough of a resistance that I'd have some time to consider my course of action.

[RoneKiln]

I once had the pleasure of taking a college history class from a charming old Dutch fellow. He once commented how when he was in school back in Denmark, the chemistry instructor was a crazed tyrant. None of the guys would take the chemistry class unless all other classes had already been filled up.

Then the Nazis invaded.

Next semester every single guy tried to get into that chemistry class. He never joined any resistance organization. He never fought in an any battles. He never even held a gun until moving to the US decades later. He never directly took a life nor even tried to. But he made firebombs by the dozens, and burned anything and everything the Germans left unguarded. He burned dozens of vehicles and piles of crates and barrels. Pretty soon the Germans had to pull a large number of troops back from the front just to protect their property. Even in his old age that man's eyes gleamed with glee as he told stories of his small victories of vandalism and sabatoge.

My first step may not be to get behind a blade of grass, but I'm not laying down either. I will find ways to make things very expensive for anyone tromping through my nation. I don't have to engage an armored vehicle head on. I can smile and wave as it drives by. I can wait and watch for backs to be turned and a hatch to be left open before I drop my molotov in it. I can slit tires in the night to slow supply shipments. I can help tear out rails to wreck captured trains. I can set fire to seized wharehouses.

A black market in occupied territory will also involve well meaning people looking to better the lives of others in addition to the criminal element. Think Dr.'s Without Borders, the Red Cross, and the Salvation Army trying to operate quietly and under the radar of the invading force. No, those organizations probably won't be the most functional in an invasion, but like minded people will still strive to better the lives of others.

I think a lot of us could do significant good without getting behind that blade of grass with a rifle. If you've prepped well and have a good store of food and medical supplies, is it really best for you to run out and get shot trying to take one or two of the enemy down with you? It may be. I would have when I was younger. But be willing to take time to think a little more long term as well. I think I'd spend that first six hours trying to get information and try to coordinate those I knew into networks to help one another.

Now I admit, if swarms of troops are crawling all over my neighborhood shooting anyone that pokes their head out, I'd do my best to cook off every round I could before dying. Even if I fail to take a single one with me, they'll be moving a lot more slowly and cautiously through my area when I'm done.

[Trent]

Assuming I know the direction the invasion is coming from, Plan A is to grab the relatives and run screaming in the opposite direction as fast as possible. Playing some Red Dawn fantasy out by taking on a modern army with civilian firearms is going to last about as long as it takes for the first armored vehicle to arrive.

If lines of retreat are cut off...

Go home. Grab any manuals, paper targets, boxes, and other miscellaneous gun paraphernalia and burn them. Rev up the tractor and destroy the shooting berm. Drop the steel plates and gun safe off in the nearest body of water. Hide the Glock, AR-15, Remington 870, and Savage Model 10 on another property, preferably the local national park. Pen the animals up, close the car in the garage, fill up the bathtubs with water, kill all the lights, and hole up in an interior room with no windows, a laptop, and a radio to keep an eye on the situation.

If the local military forces are temporarily holding, make an attempt to floor it to safe territory if doable, traveling either unarmed or with an easily concealed non-military handgun to minimize the risk of being executed as a partisan. If the invaders win locally, stay in the house for as long as possible.

If it's clear that friendly military forces will not be regaining the area anytime soon, work to integrate myself with the occupation forces. If I can speak their language, act as a translator. Lots of opportunities to FUBAR their efforts that way, as seen in the Iraq/Afghanistan wars. Get a feel for the patterns, strategy, and tactics of the local occupation force. I'd try to stay the hell away from any organized local resistance cells, focusing on doing what I can on my own. The real trick would be striking the right balance of being friendly enough with the occupation force to harm their efforts while avoid getting a one-way ticket to their version of Abu Gharib, but not enough to be the target of a lynch mob when the area is retaken.

[Berkem]

The real trick would be striking the right balance of being friendly enough with the occupation force to harm their efforts while avoid getting a one-way ticket to their version of Abu Gharib, but not enough to be the target of a lynch mob when the area is retaken

Be aware that"any organized local resistance cells" might get focused on killing the collaborators.Thet migtht not be tough enough to kill enemy soldiers,but willing to execute postmen,doctors or school teachers.

Hide the Glock, AR-15, Remington 870, and Savage Model 10 on another property, preferably the local national park

Some day the occupants might come to your house and ask a question-"According to our information you used to have lots of guns.Where are they?".Youd better know what to tell them.

[Trent]

The real trick would be striking the right balance of being friendly enough with the occupation force to harm their efforts while avoid getting a one-way ticket to their version of Abu Gharib, but not enough to be the target of a lynch mob when the area is retaken

Be aware that"any organized local resistance cells" might get focused on killing the collaborators.Thet migtht not be tough enough to kill enemy soldiers,but willing to execute postmen,doctors or school teachers.

Yeah, the mental picture I have of this scenario is something like the Eastern Front in WWII, where as the conflict wore on, the armed resistance became just as big a danger to local civilians as the occupation forces. I could see the same thing happening in this topic, with partisans becoming more and more desperate and brutal as the situation worsens. Something like "Fellow patriot, donate more of your ammunition and food to the cause of liberty, or we'll burn your house down."

Lots of high level resistors in France were either killed or barely escaped the witch hunt that occurred just before and during the liberation of the country. For example, there was a fellow that ran a posh country club that attracted tons of German officers and SS. When the war ended, he basically had to hide in the hills until British Intelligence informed the local population that he'd been spying on the customers and funneling information to the Allies.

Hide the Glock, AR-15, Remington 870, and Savage Model 10 on another property, preferably the local national park

Some day the occupants might come to your house and ask a question-"According to our information you used to have lots of guns.Where are they?".Youd better know what to tell them.

The plan would be to hand over the rest of the gun collection if they went calling for them. You'd still have a stash someplace for using later on, but the rest of the collection is large enough to be convincing.

[Berkem]

The plan would be to hand over the rest of the gun collection if they went calling for them. You'd still have a stash someplace for using later on, but the rest of the collection is large enough to be convincing.

Plan is good only for the states where you dont have to register your firearms.In other places they will come with the complete list of your guns.And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

[Trent]

The plan would be to hand over the rest of the gun collection if they went calling for them. You'd still have a stash someplace for using later on, but the rest of the collection is large enough to be convincing.

Plan is good only for the states where you dont have to register your firearms.In other places they will come with the complete list of your guns.And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

Those states are in the vast minority.

[Tater Raider]

In the first 6 hours they are going to round up all the guns, kill 1 in 10 people just because we got out of line, burn the women, rape the village, and all because I decided I'd resist but I haven't had a chance to yet.

Ooookay...

Don't feed the troll.

Emphasis mine.

[squinty]

The plan would be to hand over the rest of the gun collection if they went calling for them. You'd still have a stash someplace for using later on, but the rest of the collection is large enough to be convincing.

Plan is good only for the states where you dont have to register your firearms.In other places they will come with the complete list of your guns.And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

No registry here. I wouldn't have to register any of my firearms...if I owned any...

[Kommander]

Comrade! Nice of you and your men to come and see me! My guns? Oh I lost most of those in a horrible boating accident last year and I gave the rest to this crazy raccoon. Do you want his address?

[bae]

And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

Say, for the sake of argument, that I have > 300,000 rounds of centerfire ammunition on hand, and several hundred firearms. And while most aren't on any "list", probably a handful are. How should I proceed?

[Tater Raider]

And the bigger collection you have the earlier theyll come.

Say, for the sake of argument, that I have > 300,000 rounds of centerfire ammunition on hand, and several hundred firearms. And while most aren't on any "list", probably a handful are. How should I proceed?

In the first 6 hours? Carefully and in accordance with Federal, State, and Local Laws.

[Rev]

I'm eriously doubting that by the time an invasion got to "occupying" there'd be any databases and records to go through.

[Trent]

I'm eriously doubting that by the time an invasion got to "occupying" there'd be any databases and records to go through.

Yeah, I can imagine state and federal governments shredding and burning as many of their records as possible before capture.

[bae]

I'm eriously doubting that by the time an invasion got to "occupying" there'd be any databases and records to go through.

Yeah, I can imagine state and federal governments shredding and burning as many of their records as possible before capture.

Indeed. Far too many people have seen the documentary on how this goes down:

[squinty]

I'm eriously doubting that by the time an invasion got to "occupying" there'd be any databases and records to go through.

Yeah, I can imagine state and federal governments shredding and burning as many of their records as possible before capture.

I can't imagine them doing anything so helpful or efficient in the chaos of an invasion. And there are electronic records - easier or harder to destroy/retrieve? Also, more than 6 hours down the line, I'm not sure that lot of local offices wouldn't cooperate - or cooperate as much as they had to - with invading forces. Might not blame them. Sure, they'd say, we're occupied, it sucks, death to the infidel - but we'd like to get the plumbing working again/lights on/hospital rebuilt, occupation or not.

[Berkem]

In the first 6 hours they are going to round up all the guns, kill 1 in 10 people just because we got out of line, burn the women, rape the village, and all because I decided I'd resist but I haven't had a chance to yet.

To make up your mind what to do with your guns is a right thing to do in the first 6 hours isnt it? You will not have time for that if they start shooting heavy artillery at your neigbourhood .

Comrade! Nice of you and your men to come and see me! My guns? Oh I lost most of those in a horrible boating accident last year and I gave the rest to this crazy raccoon. Do you want his address?

OK citizen,you are not the first one who tells us that today.Looks like you capitalists are not safe with boats around here.Thats what we'll do-we'll take your wife and kids ,and you go and dive on the place of this unfortunate "boating accident" of yours untill you get all your guns.Probably you'll meet some friends there.Good luck

Yeah, I can imagine state and federal governments shredding and burning as many of their records as possible before capture.

There is lots of info other than that for any one who invades . There are many ways to get more or less complete list of gun enthusiasts in town.

[Rev]

There is lots of info other than that for any one who invades . There are many ways to get more or less complete list of gun enthusiasts in town.

Pretty much everyone in the entirety of Appalachia?

[Kommander]

Comrade! Nice of you and your men to come and see me! My guns? Oh I lost most of those in a horrible boating accident last year and I gave the rest to this crazy raccoon. Do you want his address?

OK citizen,you are not the first one who tells us that today.Looks like you capitalists are not safe with boats around here.Thats what we'll do-we'll take your wife and kids ,and you go and dive on the place of this unfortunate "boating accident" of yours untill you get all your guns.Probably you'll meet some friends there. Good luck

Does "I sold them all at a gun show" work better for you? And no keeping paperwork for such things is not required here.

There is lots of info other than that for any one who invades . There are many ways to get more or less complete list of gun enthusiasts in town.

No there isn't. If the gun shops destroy all the records there there is no way to know who any anything other than individual interrogations and that's going to take a vast amount resources that would be better spent elsewhere.

[Rev]

I wonder if our foreign friends quite understand how little record is kept of who owns what gun in our country. We keep better records of car ownership.

[Berkem]

I wonder if our foreign friends quite understand how little record is kept of who owns what gun in our country. We keep better records of car ownership

Yes in know about that.But still you register guns in some states.

Does "I sold them all at a gun show" work better for you? And no keeping paperwork for such things is not required here.

They migt say-No,our soldier was killed a couple of blocks away from here,that doesnt work for us.We think you are hiding guns.

No there isn't. If the gun shops destroy all the records

Do you always pay for your guns in cash?How do you pay for your gun-related stuff from the i-net?