Doc Torr wrote:Better yet, start teaching them to be constructive by teaching them the skills they need. Remember kiddies, as fun as it is to feel superior to everyone else, it's a lot more fun to remember the spirit of charity and outreach that ZS was founded on.
Building your community to be better and more resilient is easier than trying to hold them at bay when the lights go out for a month.
Sorry to say it... but there are just some people who just don't give a shit and would rather spit in your face and shit on your shoe than listen to one word you have to say let alone learn anything you would want to teach them, even if it was for their betterment.
I am in no way superior to anyone and I prefer to see myself as "equal" rather than more than or less than any other individual walking the face of this planet from a Juarez Cartel member who just shot 5 immigrants trying to cross the border while their coyote ditched them at the first sign of trouble, just because they happen to walk into an area where they are offloading their "product" into rafts to cross the Rio Grande.... nor am I less than the fella that just sold all his enron stock before SHTF on the market.
I have taken many a youngster who was willing and wanting to learn bushcraft and survival skills and taken them out on trips to do just that.
I have given my nephew all the keys that I have (which are by no means ALL the keys but are a GOOD BASIS to start from and progress from there) to ensure his survival in the woods when he ventures out on his own on a hunt, as have I also given him the knowledge I have about what little I know about prepping and being prepared for natural disasters and the ever looming possibility of long term survival in the event of a cataclysmic event or extinction event (depending on how you see it, what you call it or how you label it).
But I have also encountered more than plenty of youngsters (when I was their age and younger and even today as their 10 or more year senior) who would rather rip your head off and shit down your neck in the dark alley behind the La Bamba Bar than even ponder the possibility that there is a whole other world outside their gang, their clique or their city. I have had many people tell me that they would rather die than be caught dead in a tent on a camp out.
So tell me Doc Torr... what is the best way of reaching out to an inner city Mexican Mafia gang member with a 9mm in their waste band and a bad attitude hanging out of every pocket?
10 years ago I used to have a friend that I used to work with, Pam, and she had a brother who was basically a mule for the counties biggest cocaine dealer and she and I would try and talk him into leaving that lifestyle and we reached out to him. I took him on many fishing trips and he was a great guy to be around, fun guy, and he always liked to drink beer and play cards with us at Pams, until Rob would call and he would have to run off to run drugs. Eventually Rob met Ernesto who had just gotten out of prison and was Mexican Mafia. He took the place of James as Rob's right hand man only he got way more perks and was a little less like a little bitch to Rob. Pam and I tried even harder to talk some sense into him but Nada, he was willing to fight for his position with Rob, and so Rob's solution was like ALL his solutions... fight it out. He had a boxing ring set up in his back yard he used to like to spar in and run illegal fights occasionally and he set James up against Ernesto in this ring one night. I was down the street and Pams at the time with my girlfriend Jamie and we were just shootin the breeze and drinking some beer when Robs girlfriend Theresa busts in through the front door and tells Pam and I that we need to go down the block to Robs. When we showed up we found James laying on the hood of Rob's Impala bleeding all over that Aztec and his princess on the hood. Ernesto had lost the fist fight but he pulled a knife and when James had his back turned he stabbed James 6 times. Of course no one is going to call the police or an ambulance and call attention to this house! If you did... well, you better be looking over your back for the rest of your life. Rob pretty much ordered Pam and I to stitch him up and get him home. When I calmly tried to explain to Rob (I grew up with Rob) that the wounds weren't something amateurs and CNA's like Pam could just "Stitch" up. He needed to be seen in an Emergency room, he didn't care. He pulled a nice and shiny 380 semi-auto on me and shoved it in my face and basically laid the rules of this game down on me. That was one incident I chalked up as a life lesson and will hopefully never be faced with that kind of bullshit scenario again...
But my point is this... Some people DON'T WANT YOUR HELP AND THEY DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT ANYTHING YOU HAVE TO SAY.
In their reality there is only one world. The world revolves around their gang and it doesn't matter how much you reach out to some of these people, they are gonna laugh you off the block if they don't just open fire on you for insinuating that they would be better off without La Familia (their gang).
I'm sorry if you mistook what I said and assumed that I think I am better than anyone, because that is not at all the impression I meant to make on anyone and everyone who knows me personally knows I am humble, quiet, shy and some might even say I have low self-image or low-self esteem. That is what my mother keeps telling me anyway... but I am realistic and I speak from plenty of experience since I didn't always live on this side of the tracks.
I was a hoodlum and I ran a muck and caused trouble, boozed it and ran with a tough crowd, had friends who were in gangs, friends who were criminals. I have friends in prison and have friends who have done time in prison. I have lived in slums and I have worked in seedy areas and have even been to jail a time or two on my own but not for anything seriously screwed up (DUI and Probation Violation and I refused to pay a $500 fine from animal control because he shot my dog and I wasn't paying for that, and contempt of court because after the court hearing the dog catcher whispered to me he enjoyed dragging my dogs carcass off to the dump where he burned it, when he said that I turned around and grabbed a hold of his uniform and proceeded to scream profanities at him in the aisle between seating inside the courtroom) My decisions were not always wise ones and some were down right dumb and I have been in bad places at bad times and put myself in bad positions.
So I am speaking REALISTICALLY.
Set up a teen center to reach out and help inner city teens and give it time... someone always shows up to burglarize it, trash it, use it to run drugs through or bring their beefs in to rivals. Not all young adults know how to behave properly or treat things like "help" with respect because they have only one known way of survival... the streets, their gang and crime.
SO if you think that just by reaching out to these people it's gonna save the world... good luck. I'll eat my socks and underwear after prolonged wear if that really comes to fruition.
People have to WANT to learn, WANT to change, WANT a different mind set, WANT a different life and if they don't want it... no matter what you do or what you say, it isn't going to make them change their mind and make them want to learn new skills and new ideas.
There are good kids out there and yes reach out to them, and yes try and reach out to even the tough cases but that still doesn't mean your gonna succeed in your mission, it just means it is worth a try.
The kids that took the helping hand and guidance isn't likely to run over your land and try and take your preps. The one's you can't reach are the ones who are going to overrun the barn and burn the shop while they pillage and rape their way through the family farm house. But these are also the people who aren't going to venture too far out of their comfort level! That is what I was trying to make clear in my previous post... not that I am superior.
My only point in what I said WAS NOT TO BE SUPERIOR it is that these people are not equipped with the knowledge or skills they need to avoid dying of exposure or dehydration before they even reach your home in the country! And if they make it that far... good for them, but they still didn't prepare like the person they are about to encounter did and they are not likely to have a whole lot of ammo to go up against another arsenal. Their guns are mostly for show and tell and to scare the shit out of anyone they point it at and their hope is usually to just scare you into letting them have their way with your preps but if you are prepared to defend your property, they don't have a whole lot of hope to succeed in overrunning you unless they came prepared and in numbers and if they were PREPARED THEN THEY WOULDN'T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE! the reason they are trying to take your stuff is because THEY WEREN'T PREPARED so how could they possibly be PREPARED TO TAKE YOUR PREPS IF THEY WEREN'T PREPARED FOR THIS DISASTER IN THE FIRST PLACE.