Worst places to be when TSHTF

[Turd Fergueson]

Any major city, my first response was Compton.
Seperated from my home and family by either a city or a highway due to work.

[Gadsden_63]

^^^ I agree

Worst place to be? 2 words: urban area. Doesn't matter which one. SHTH, I pray to god I'm at home on my farm. Your odds of survival have an inverse relationship with the number of people around you

[ineffableone]

Any major city, my first response was Compton.
Seperated from my home and family by either a city or a highway due to work.

Actually places with high amounts of gangs might actually be some of the safer places in the Urban jungle. These are places with an effective and armed militia. Sure they are gangs and criminals and no I don't condone them, however I could see them effectively mounting a defence against the ZPAW. They are not democratic and are used to protecting their territory. I could see these sort actually benefiting the people who live in these regions. Of course gangs are lead usually by dictators which means you might end up with some pretty awful leaders in your area, but this might be better then being zombie food. Don't forget these gangs also have families of people they love. Gang members are often quite loving of their families in an odd way, and will most likely work hard to protect them.

While I am not advocating running to a gang area for protection, if your in one already it might be safer than you think. Those hoodlums you fear might turn out to be helpful in ZPAW.

[Turd Fergueson]

In the event of a catastrophe, gangs will look to protect their own, and their own ethnicity. For instance, Mexican gangs will target black people. Hopefully I'm not opening a can of worms here.

[ineffableone]

In the event of a catastrophe, gangs will look to protect their own, and their own ethnicity. For instance, Mexican gangs will target black people. Hopefully I'm not opening a can of worms here.

I agree that gangs will probably not mix well with other gangs, some might be surprising though and join forces together. Not sure how much you know about gang affiliation but there are two major groups of gangs, FOLK and PEOPLE nations. Since this line of thought came out of mentioning Compton I will point out how the Bloods gang aligns with the PEOPLE nation while Crips align with FOLK nation. While in Chicago area it is Gangster Disciples who align with FOLK nation and Latin Kings with PEOPLE nation. These two groupings unite many gangs across the country and many of the smaller gangs would band together under these banners as they do even not in ZPAW. I think it will take a bit before they start targeting each other however. I think they would be more worried about consolidating and protecting there own area. I think it more likely they would set up a formidable defensive area in their territory and raid into wealthier areas rather then the other gang territories. They aren't stupid and would know the other gangs would be armed and difficult targets with little to give if defeated. They would know that suburbs and other nongang areas are under organised under armed and have much more resources. I think they would go after the easier targets vs fighting wars for little gain with other gangs.

Of course this is all speculation, and I also would not condone the idea of raiding. These concepts though could be a reality people might have to consider if they live near gang territory. That these gangs might organise and attempt to raid their area for resources that the gang's territory lacks.

[Ableto]

In the event of a catastrophe, gangs will look to protect their own, and their own ethnicity. For instance, Mexican gangs will target black people. Hopefully I'm not opening a can of worms here.

I agree that gangs will probably not mix well with other gangs, some might be surprising though and join forces together. Not sure how much you know about gang affiliation but there are two major groups of gangs, FOLK and PEOPLE nations. Since this line of thought came out of mentioning Compton I will point out how the Bloods gang aligns with the PEOPLE nation while Crips align with FOLK nation. While in Chicago area it is Gangster Disciples who align with FOLK nation and Latin Kings with PEOPLE nation. These two groupings unite many gangs across the country and many of the smaller gangs would band together under these banners as they do even not in ZPAW. I think it will take a bit before they start targeting each other however. I think they would be more worried about consolidating and protecting there own area. I think it more likely they would set up a formidable defensive area in their territory and raid into wealthier areas rather then the other gang territories. They aren't stupid and would know the other gangs would be armed and difficult targets with little to give if defeated. They would know that suburbs and other nongang areas are under organised under armed and have much more resources. I think they would go after the easier targets vs fighting wars for little gain with other gangs.

Of course this is all speculation, and I also would not condone the idea of raiding. These concepts though could be a reality people might have to consider if they live near gang territory. That these gangs might organise and attempt to raid their area for resources that the gang's territory lacks.

I would step back and just think of what most ppl would do when the SHTF, first off when the food is gone where are ppl going to go to get it. Not like they can just goto the store. So really what are those gangs going to do when they run out of food. Will they just change their ways and become farmers? I really dont think so. Well not at first, but things happen.

Gangs might protect their own, but if your not already with them, I would not count them on being friendly if they come knocking on your door.

As for other areas that might not be organized or armed, hate to see what happens to any gangs that try to do something stupid in most US states especially near US Military bases or communities of active or retired military families or any community that are active hunters and sportsmans. Thing is The US has many guns and they are not mostly in the hands of gangsters. Granted not everyone knows how to properly shoot a gun, the point is do you think gangs want to find out who has guns when the SHTF. When the SHTF would you know if someone has a gun? I wouldnt unless that person has a gun in plain sight.

The gangs will be just like everyone else looking for food or other things. They might try and do things their way to getting what they want, but in the end they will have to do some major life changing choices just like everyone else to survive. If all the food runs out, as in none can be found, they will ether grow it or hunt it like everyone else or they will starve. If they try to do something stupid, they will get a very unwelcome surprise depending on where they go.

[Ableto]

As for myself, I do not want to be in a big major city. But im stuck with the fact that I live in a big major city and i will have to use my escape plan when the SHTF.

I already know im not always going to be home if disaster strikes, so I plan for many possibilities. And also plan that nothing ever goes to plan. Learn to deal with problems as they come and be aware of your surroundings. Try and think many steps ahead.

[ineffableone]

I would step back and just think of what most ppl would do when the SHTF, first off when the food is gone where are ppl going to go to get it. Not like they can just goto the store. So really what are those gangs going to do when they run out of food. Will they just change their ways and become farmers? I really dont think so. Well not at first, but things happen.

Gangs might protect their own, but if your not already with them, I would not count them on being friendly if they come knocking on your door.

As for other areas that might not be organized or armed, hate to see what happens to any gangs that try to do something stupid in most US states especially near US Military bases or communities of active or retired military families or any community that are active hunters and sportsmans. Thing is The US has many guns and they are not mostly in the hands of gangsters. Granted not everyone knows how to properly shoot a gun, the point is do you think gangs want to find out who has guns when the SHTF. When the SHTF would you know if someone has a gun? I wouldnt unless that person has a gun in plain sight.

The gangs will be just like everyone else looking for food or other things. They might try and do things their way to getting what they want, but in the end they will have to do some major life changing choices just like everyone else to survive. If all the food runs out, as in none can be found, they will ether grow it or hunt it like everyone else or they will starve. If they try to do something stupid, they will get a very unwelcome surprise depending on where they go.

I agree that gangs would not likely be friendly to outsiders.

Part of the point of mentioning the gangs is they are already organized and armed. Most gangs actually have a pretty large % of exmilitary, there has been a lot of issue with gang members joining military service to get military training then returning to the gangs to share that knowledge. Another part of the reason I mentioned the gangs is they will be organized quicker then most any other group in urban areas. This will end up creating little fiefdoms for different gangs before many other areas get it together to organize. The gangs will be raiding weaker areas for their resources before most of those areas have the chance to get over the shock of what ever SHTF happened.

Sure in the long term they will need to find other methods, however in the short term they will have the drop on others in the urban environment. In the long term the urban areas will have to be abandoned as they don't have the space to be able to grow food and have a lot of dangers for people as the infrastructure crumbles.

I think it would be unwise to underestimate what might happen with gangs for them they are already practically living in WROL and a step away from SHTF. They have experience with the stress and survival of such life. What sort of actions they might make weather they stay in their neighbourhoods or move out depends a lot on how smart the leader or his advisors are. Don't forget they will also most likely absorb most of their family and friends into their group, bringing in skills and knowledge outside the typical gang banger. I have seen it said of cops and military that they are just the bigger gang, and really it is sort of true, gangs are a simple form of government. In a SHTF situation the gangs have a similar advantage as the military does or the cops. An already organized hierarchy and command system, trained in combat and armed members, etc... But the gangs have something both those don't have that will help them. The gangs have much looser morals, and that will enable them to adapt to the changing world of PAW much quicker. Of course it can also bring about their down fall from infighting etc but it can also give them an edge over the rest of the civilians. Cops will only stay loyal to the force for so long before they hoof it off to their families, soldiers will last a bit longer but still if government falls it is likely many will go to their families if they can. The gangs live in areas with their families, so would end up like their own local militia group protecting the neighbourhood and their families. As I mentioned the people not gang related in these neighbourhoods would most likely be absorbed into the the gangs which would make them large united groups quickly, while most other people in urban and suburban areas don't even know their own neighbours and will be struggling to get small groups organized.

Funny part is I had not really thought too much about gangs until I started talking about them in this. I grew up in a gang free area, but later moved to Chicago area and learned a lot about gangs. I think they are a very real thing that should be considered and worried about if one is near a heavily populated gang area. It is definitely something to consider if your in an urban area and is one more reason to not be in an urban environment long if there is a complete collapse.

It is also something for the suburban and rural people to remember and consider. That they may very well have to worry about these gangs raiding their places.

[Gadsden_63]

I disagree with most of this speculation on gangs in a PAW scenario. I believe the majority of "gang bangers" are punk kids who believe themselves to be thugs, and have too much time on their hands, resulting in their affinity for causing trouble. They may be organized, but when hungry or sick they will be among the first to fall apart. The gang world is fickle, and predicated on drugs and crime to subsist. The urban people that stand the best chance are either preppers, or the people who live on the streets and actually have to work and fight for survival. Not the ones who spend every day graffitiing, standing on street corners selling drugs, or knocking over gas stations. I put absolutely no stock in any gangs survival in PAW

[Ableto]

I would not underestimate gangs ether, but i would not underestimate the masses of ppl that can also turn ugly when the SHTF. Like i said, The US has many guns and most of them are not in the hands of gang members.

Just stay out of the gang members or any other factions way and let them run out their supply of ammo and other goods. It will be a cat and mouse game. If they all keep fighting then the only winner is the one grp that dont run out of supplies and even if that happens some other grp might come in and start the war all over again to take over an area and those supplies will get used up.

So it still swings around to just staying out of their way, and you finding an out of the way place(that you own out in the middle of nowhere away from any action) to survive till things cool down.

[-----P-----]

Here onboard the ship. Sure, it's safe, but given the tendency to go to River City whenever anything happens and not being able to contact my family as a result. Or the tendency when something major happens to give us just enough information. Couple all that with canceling flights and then deciding we aren't going to pull in until the disaster is over...

And then if we were talking zombie virus... No escape, and 2 reactors to worry about once all the nukes get eaten.

[zombiegoat2000]

Actually, prison would be a great place, unless ur an inmate! It's very easy to isolate and contain the situation, plus you have weapons, ammo, maintaince tools and at least 3months worth of food on hand!

[IronManT28]

In the fan obviously

[SteveCA]

On a 7 hour flight that just takes off when the outbreak happens in your home town, where you are travelling to.

[Noodlez]

Hospital.. Hands down. Think about it, in the beginning, people will be getting bit. What do "normal, non-zombiephobic" people do when a stranger on the streets take a chunk out of they're arm... they go to the hospital with they're newly infected ass. And, the nurse/doctor has to help them, not knowing that at any time, they're gonna change and take a bite outta THEM. Now, we got a hospital full of pissed off, fresh zombies waiting for the next idiot to walk in the front door for help. So... in closing, look for me as far away from a hospital as possible wtshtf lol

[kika21]

Hospital.. Hands down. Think about it, in the beginning, people will be getting bit. What do "normal, non-zombiephobic" people do when a stranger on the streets take a chunk out of they're arm... they go to the hospital with they're newly infected ass. And, the nurse/doctor has to help them, not knowing that at any time, they're gonna change and take a bite outta THEM. Now, we got a hospital full of pissed off, fresh zombies waiting for the next idiot to walk in the front door for help. So... in closing, look for me as far away from a hospital as possible wtshtf lol

Definitely.

As seen in some documentaries, Hospitals, Police Stations, etc, will be Ground Zero for zombie outbreaks. Therefore, I hope I'm not at work when that happens.

[Noodlez]

Thank you... Glad I won't be alone. We should camp out and watch the idiots walk in.... could be fun lol

[roOism]

Radio head concert, won't be able to tell the stoners from the zombies.

Concerning any sort of instant cataclysmic event, it would suck to be up on the ISS knowing you won't be going home.

It's has been mentioned but if there is a massive power failure/societal collapse, it's going to suck to be in the Phoenix area. With the poor road system, the high number of elderly/retired, the lack of native water, and so on, it's going to be a toasty graveyard.

[Johnny Bones]

So, I'm not sure if it's been said already, but I once had an earthquake hit my area while I was in the middle of taking a shit. I don't think it gets much worse than that as far as location when something real bad happens.

[Evan the Diplomat]

While vacationing in a nudist colony. Talk about unarmed.

[airmandan]

While vacationing in a nudist colony. Talk about unarmed.

wait, you don't have swinging cod?

[Evan the Diplomat]

While vacationing in a nudist colony. Talk about unarmed.

wait, you don't have swinging cod?

Didn't you know the Navy pioneered retractable landing gear?

[Chief Brody]

At a Rosie O'donel book signing... the place would already be filled with Zombies....

[Leckie]

On vacation anywhere in a mostly non-English speaking country... Unarmed, ungeared, not knowing the territory or the native language.. Totally defenseless