The Dreaded "Reset Button"

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The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Redeker_Plan » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:27 pm

This is a conversation the gang and I had the other night over a few beers (no Monday night football has left a vacuum).


Let's just say the inevitable has happened. It doesn't matter how. Take your pick of the almost endless scenarios. Natural disasters, nuclear war, viral outbreak, cosmic phenomenon, zombies, whatever, etc. The point is it's all gone. Back to the stone age.

So the question is how will your current occupation be useful in this new PAW? If at all for that matter. I, for example, work in IT. Which is utterly useless in the PAW. One of my friends dad owns and works his own farm. He'll be a lot better off obviously. Then you have the "old world" jobs, like blacksmithing, which IMO would make you the man in PAW.

We then started to diverge a little, mentioning how certain well to do jobs would actually be laughed at. For example, politicians and professional sports athletes, who once had power, wealth, and fame, would now be useless for the most part. Yes there are exceptions, you get the point though.

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by NorrisUnleashed » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:45 pm

I am currently a child caregiver. But I am trained in the EMS field. So I think that the medical training would help in the PAW. But I don't believe in the theory that "all office professionals are fucked". I mean people will need to learn how to set this stuff up again. Someone has to program the killer robots. :lol:

I do see what your saying about "old timey" trades being useful again. But it dont mean you cant learn that shit now. Expanding your skill set will help you help in your day to day not just the PAW.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Agent » Tue Feb 09, 2010 4:56 pm

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Redeker_Plan » Tue Feb 09, 2010 5:04 pm

Yeah I saw that post. There would be some overlap I suppose but what made me to start this post was mostly about how certain people living on their high horses would have deal with things. For example politicians, professional athletes, CEOs, etc

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Kabong30 » Tue Feb 09, 2010 6:10 pm

I'm in IT, I'd just paint Geek Squad on the side of my BOV and start selling old Pentiums out the back. I'd also work to get a Wi-Fi network up and running ASAP and start broadcasting. I don't know all the ins and outs now, but I'd have plenty of time to read all those networking books I have collecting dust.

The thing to remember (and that keeps me from losing my mind when I think about it) is that just because the things man has invented were lost or destroyed, we still know how to do and build those things. The knowledge isn't gone. We'd rebuild and while it might not be glamorous iPhones a Blackberries all over the place, I'm pretty sure we'd find a good way to communicate and get a nice civilization going again.

I've also thought about getting into HAM radio and I am DEFINITELY getting into gardening.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Aikibiker » Tue Feb 09, 2010 7:52 pm

I do security and just got my EMT-B cert. I am sure I will find something to do like guarding the smart folks while they rebuild society.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by DannusMaximus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:10 pm

I get what you're saying, but you're asking us to paint with too broad of a brush. A person's skills, abilities, intelligence, temperment (sp?), and will to survive are simply not always that closely married to their occupation, IMHO.

Take a professional athelete, for example. To get to the pros, a person needs to be physically gifted, certainly. They also have to have the ability (in team sports, anyway) to work as part of a group to accomplish a task. They have to have the incredible drive to spend decades practicing and perfecting their skills to get to their level of ability. That's at a minimum. Most pros, however, are also college graduates, many have business dealings on the side they dabble in, many have other hobbies that might have very high PAW value. So, the ability to play football at a very high level might not mean shit, but that ability doesn't define the person.

A board certified cardiologist, as another example, might on the surface be considered a really valuable addition to a PAW community. In reality, however, most of these specialists are decades removed from dealing with what would be routine PAW injury such as a fracture, dental problem, flu outbreak, infected wound, what have you. Add to that the fact that the medical infrastructure that allows that level of specialization would be gone, and all the years of experience the cardiologist brings to the table in the modern world might add up to bupkus in the PAW. Plus, they might be a complete asshole, or weeny, or insert any other personality trait that would not be conducive to being part of a PAW community.

If you're asking what occupations would be most highly valued in the PAW, well, there probably isn't going to be a market for NBA players. But, even assuming that their only skill is athletic, there most certainly will be a place for physically fit individuals who are able to work as part of a team to accomplish a goal. There won't be a need for a full-time politician, perhaps, but there will likely be a need for folks who know how to organize and run meetings, get diverging groups to compromise, who know the nuts and bolts of how city services are organized and run, etc. There might not be a need for accountants, but if that accountant is a Marine Corps combat veteran who grew up on a farm, likes to dabble with heirloom seed gardens as a hobby, and has a fun, easygoing attitude, well, he can have a place in my community any time!

We must be careful not to try and group people into 'good in a PAW' or 'worthless in the PAW' based on superficial things like their occupation.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Redeker_Plan » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:41 pm

I guess I should have been a little more descriptive. I used the title "reset button" because I'm fascinated by the fact that your current career (or station in life for that matter) may have very little impact in the PAW. The CEO may be scrounging for food the next day while the plumber might be his/her community leader in the aftermath. Hence the "reset button." I think of it as a tabula rasa. Everyone gets to start anew.

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by DannusMaximus » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:51 pm

Redeker_Plan wrote:I guess I should have been a little more descriptive. I used the title "reset button" because I'm fascinated by the fact that your current career (or station in life for that matter) may have very little impact in the PAW. The CEO may be scrounging for food the next day while the plumber might be his/her community leader in the aftermath. Hence the "reset button." I think of it as a tabula rasa. Everyone gets to start anew.
Gotcha. Still, I think if a person has the mental or physical (or emotional) tools in their toolbox to be successful in our current situation, they likely will retain that ability for success in the PAW. It's the technical skills you're talking about, not the inherent abilities of that individual. A person with an MBA (the CEO in question) can probably be taught the hard skills that he needs but is lacking. A plumber might not bring anything to the table except hard skills, and many technical skills, at least at the survival level, simply aren't that complicated. A person with no background in carpentry, for example, could be taught the basics of framing in one afternoon, especially since the framing wouldn't have to be perfect or 'up to code', merely serviceable.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by TheGunslinger » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:52 pm

Well, I think you'll find that people will quickly adapt to their circumstances.

I'm in IT - I'm a project manager. Currently, that means organising people to get tasks done at high priority.

If the reset button was pushed, well I'm pretty much out of luck in that department - I do know how to lead and motivate a team, though and I do have some expertise in organising.

Now, that doesn't mean I'm going to run out and develop a crack team of post-PAW commandos or anything, but it does mean that I've got an idea of what it means to arrange and prioritise workloads.

Your CEO might be reduced to scrounging for food and so forth with the rest, but they also might have a skill set that is pretty valuable, post PAW as well. CEOs are, generally, good organisers and planners. They might also be fat cats sitting at the top of the pile, but they have skills that got them there.

I think the tabula rasa might be there for a few weeks/months or so, but once people have adjusted you'll find that those with the get up and go to motivate and make something of themselves in this life will probably have the same drive to do so in the PAW, too.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by TheGunslinger » Tue Feb 09, 2010 11:53 pm

Yeah, high five Dannus. Right on.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by DannusMaximus » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:03 am

TheGunslinger wrote:Yeah, high five Dannus. Right on.
I think we were both mind melding with our responses, Gunslinger, just didn't know it... :lol:
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by DannusMaximus » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:03 am

deleted double post :oops:
Holmes: "You have arms, I suppose?
Watson: "Yes, I thought it as well to take them."
Holmes: "Most certainly! Keep your revolver near you night and day, and never relax your precautions..."

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by TheGunslinger » Wed Feb 10, 2010 12:07 am

Looks like it :lol:
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Stab74 » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:17 am

But don't fret, for the apocalypse is in many ways the dawning of a golden new age, where men can once more be manly and women can take their rightful place as currency.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Glennbo » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:21 am

It's the ability to adapt sudden change that's important, not your profession.

Post-PAW success relies more on personallity traits rather than pre-PAW education or income level.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by yale » Wed Feb 10, 2010 3:36 am

Aikibiker wrote:I do security and just got my EMT-B cert. I am sure I will find something to do like guarding the smart folks while they rebuild society.
Pretty much same here. I got my EMT-B while working at the FD. I got into security when a Seurity Company showed up at the fire station looking for EMTs to work security at local chemical plants. I left the private security gig for a in house hospital security job with no EMT related activites. My EMT-B cert expires in March of this year and I'm letting it go because there just aren't any good paying jobs I could get with the EMT cert and I'm just too old and worn out to run the road dealing with BLS stuff anymore.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Lucretius » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:10 am

Well, very few people will be going "OMFG!!! I can't keep doing EXACTLY what I've been doing! Never mind that most of my family and friends are dead or enslaved by a body builder with a Jason mask - I now realize those three years extra at uni were totally wasted!".

Skills are skills are skills.

Right now, I drive a car for a living. Probably no cars running post-PAW. Still, I have an extraordinary knowledge of the areas roads. If travelling on foot, this would still be quite valuable. In an evacuation it could save my @ss...
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Silent Kube » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:49 am

Well I guess my current job could conceivably eventually come back. I'm a hotel desk clerk soI guess eventually you might need innkeepers lol. Seriously though I am an amateur blacksmith but in the paw I think that would become my primary career. I'm also an amateur brewer/mead maker and *cough* *cough* distiller. I'm sure the return of the tribal hunter will make a comeback too. The next hobby I'm going to work on will be bowyer. In case you couldn't figure it out, I'm fascinated with the old ways of doing things.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Lucretius » Wed Feb 10, 2010 6:54 am

Kube wrote:Well I guess my current job could conceivably eventually come back. I'm a hotel desk clerk soI guess eventually you might need innkeepers lol. Seriously though I am an amateur blacksmith but in the paw I think that would become my primary career. I'm also an amateur brewer/mead maker and *cough* *cough* distiller. I'm sure the return of the tribal hunter will make a comeback too. The next hobby I'm going to work on will be bowyer. In case you couldn't figure it out, I'm fascinated with the old ways of doing things.
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Redeker_Plan » Wed Feb 10, 2010 5:04 pm

Believe it or not, this dialogue was also one of the catalysts for this post...

Aunty: And what did you do before all this?
Max: I was a cop, a driver.
Aunty: But how the world turns. One day, cock of the walk. Next, a feather duster.
Aunty: Do you know who I was? Nobody. Except on the day after, I was still alive. This nobody had a chance to be somebody.

I believe there is some truth to this in the PAW. That no matter who you were before, it doesn't matter.

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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by DCIdevil » Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:19 pm

I am in steel fab/construction.. I can weld, roll, break, shear, etc... steel.
I am used to running crews and managing some very big projects.
I know a lot of ways to figure out problems with math (given i could find a calculator in the PAW) :)

I guess I could be pretty useful for the reconstruction of society and building bad ass Mad Max like vehicles for rounding up/taking out any remaining zombies.. :twisted:
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Re: The Dreaded "Reset Button"

Post by Toro Azul » Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:06 am

I'm a special ed teacher in a major metropolitan area.

Yeah...

I'm probably fucked unless you're wearing a rainbow hat with a propeller!
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