Child at the Door

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:23 am

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phractal wrote:Booger eater shows up at my door, I let my 110 lb dog out... I fucking HATE children, with a bleeding, black, ulcerous passion, and everyone in my AO knows it.
And if I saw you, as a neighbour, loose your 110lb dog at a 2 year old child, you wouldn't have a 110lb dog anymore.

I love kids and I love dogs, but if a dog is tearing after a small child, I'm gonna shoot it twice, in the face, and move on.

And you brought that comment on yourself for saying you would let an animal on a kid.
Totally agreed, except I'm not gonna stop until the owner of that former dog is in jail. I'm actually wondering if making a threat like that on ZS, whereby it is inferred that phractal would sick his dog on a wandering toddler with possibly lethal results, doesn't constitute a rule violation of this message board.

Because it is.

Because he's threatening to kill small children that wander into his yard.


But hey, that's why I'm not a moderator, because instantly and permanently banning people for spewing such cruel internet commando bullshit like that is deemed a little too rash for a first offense around here.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by the_alias » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:37 am

phractal wrote:Booger eater shows up at my door, I let my 110 lb dog out... I fucking HATE children, with a bleeding, black, ulcerous passion, and everyone in my AO knows it.
I don't know if you meant this as some kind of sick joke - but it doesn't matter really as you have a history of being unable to follow the rules.

It's ironic you don't seem to like children because your post can be seen as a childish scream for attention.

The reaction of your fellow forum users should give you pause for thought as should your time on probation.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Mikeyboy » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:51 am

This short animation should help...

Tell the little kid,
You- "What did the door say to the lost kid?"

Kid- " What?"

Door - "SLAM!"

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But seriously, a real little kid I would look around and check next door neighbors for the parent, if no response call 911.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Murphman » Tue Apr 02, 2013 10:10 am

Not quite the same, but I was walking with my daughters to go fishing at a local pond, and saw a 2 year old, in a diaper, on his training wheeled bike on the sidewalk, en route to our fishing hole. I didn't see a single adult around, so I waved, smiled and asked him where he lived. Of course he pointed to the opposite direction whence he came, so we started the door to door. It was the second house I tried (the one with the open garage door) and no, they had no idea he was gone. They thanked us and we went along our way, but every time I pass by the house, I get a hearty wave and hello from the grandparents (whose house it is). I used this as a lesson to let my girls know what their boundaries were in our neighborhood.

I guess having small children, I know all the kids in the neighborhood as we are always out riding bikes, walking, etc. If one of them showed up at my house, I would know who to call. If a random kid showed up at my door, I would ask them where they live or their phone number to call their folks, but the chances of it being a small enough child to warrant more concern than conversation with the kid is pretty remote almost anywhere you live. By 5, most of my daughters' friends had their phone numbers memorized and were smart enough to not go beyond the boundaries they have been given (or at least get caught doing it). The little boys/girls that I know that break those boundaries are old enough to know how to get home and certainly do not go to strange houses and knock.

You also have to realize that children are horrible actors, so being convincing enough to set up a nefarious plot, I imagine, would take year and years of practice as children just are not inherently evil and it would have to be taught through attempts. The odds are very, very low of that occuring. Much less than the possibility of a hurricane, but one step above a zombie apocalypse. :wink:
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by ausher » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:12 pm

I'm used to little kids knocking on our door.... usually my little daughter's friends... even if it was a kid I never seen before I wouldn't know the difference. I'd yell for my girls and they would go outside and play.
Now if it was a toddler like less than 5 years of age I'd probably yell for the wife and let her handle it. We actually had this happen once some small child at our door asking if we had kids she can play with. No shirt and just a diaper probably around 3 years old. I told my wife not to let her in the parents may think your kidnapping if they are around. Sure enough the parents saw their child from their car at our door and came and got her. Not apologizing just an "oh there you are...".
I asked my wife how do we know if they were the parents.....

I went over to a buddies house one day and there was this little Mexican boy about 5 years old sitting on his porch. I asked who is this kid and my buddy says he comes over everyday at this time and hangs out because his parents locks him out of the house so they can sleep.... some parents just don't give a shit..... my buddy and his wife was always nice enough to watch him till the parents finally woke up and they boy would walk home about a block away. The boy was well mannered and respectful. I wondered where he got it from....
Sometimes I'd like to set loose our dog on these kids, but he weighs maybe 5 pounds and licking really doesn't scare anyone...
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:17 pm

ausher wrote:I'm used to little kids knocking on our door.... usually my little daughter's friends... even if it was a kid I never seen before I wouldn't know the difference. I'd yell for my girls and they would go outside and play.
Now if it was a toddler like less than 5 years of age I'd probably yell for the wife and let her handle it. We actually had this happen once some small child at our door asking if we had kids she can play with. No shirt and just a diaper probably around 3 years old. I told my wife not to let her in the parents may think your kidnapping if they are around. Sure enough the parents saw their child from their car at our door and came and got her. Not apologizing just an "oh there you are...".
I asked my wife how do we know if they were the parents.....
Sometimes I'd like to set loose our dog on these kids, but he weighs maybe 5 pounds and licking really doesn't scare anyone...
I used to set loose my dog on neighborhood kids when I lived in El Paso, but that's because she really, really, really loves kids and they used to ask to play with her.

Not because I'm some sick twisted piece of shit or anything.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by elricfate » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:27 pm

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ausher wrote:I'm used to little kids knocking on our door.... usually my little daughter's friends... even if it was a kid I never seen before I wouldn't know the difference. I'd yell for my girls and they would go outside and play.
Now if it was a toddler like less than 5 years of age I'd probably yell for the wife and let her handle it. We actually had this happen once some small child at our door asking if we had kids she can play with. No shirt and just a diaper probably around 3 years old. I told my wife not to let her in the parents may think your kidnapping if they are around. Sure enough the parents saw their child from their car at our door and came and got her. Not apologizing just an "oh there you are...".
I asked my wife how do we know if they were the parents.....
Sometimes I'd like to set loose our dog on these kids, but he weighs maybe 5 pounds and licking really doesn't scare anyone...
I used to set loose my dog on neighborhood kids when I lived in El Paso, but that's because she really, really, really loves kids and they used to ask to play with her.

Not because I'm some sick twisted piece of shit or anything.
My 52lb pit bull mix has this nasty habit of chewing on toes. Especially of kids who are under 3 years old.

She seems to think they have a flavor that she needs to nom on. And it's funny to watch a kid smack her in the head, her stop, look up, and then when the kid quits squealing, she noms some more.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by ausher » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:29 pm

Having your dog as an attack dog on anyone is too much of a liability. Its a sure way to get a law suit, jail time and the death penalty for your dog...

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by DJH » Tue Apr 02, 2013 1:40 pm

ausher wrote:The boy was well mannered and respectful. I wondered where he got it from...
Probably the same place a lot of my friends did growing up. Themselves. This particular kid seems a bit young to have figured it out, but a lot of my friends from high school and younger had some pretty f*'d up parents. They just kept telling themselves "I ain't gonna be my dad/mom. I'm better than that." and they meant it. Some got it from teachers, sports coaches, etc.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by phractal » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:38 pm

My front yard alone is over 5 acres and fenced with barbed wire, electric fencing, and in ground dog fencing. There's not a person within 5 miles that doesn't know my dog roams the farm. Most people on the south end of the island have lived here for at least 30 years or more. It's pretty obvious where to and not to go. The rest is natural selection. I ain't too worried. That's what home owners insurance is for.
Where'd my oh there it is go?.... Dang.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:51 pm

phractal wrote:Most people on the south end of the island have lived here for at least 30 years or more. It's pretty obvious where to and not to go. The rest is natural selection. I ain't too worried. That's what home owners insurance is for.
Well, that wouldn't cover the occasional toddler that was unable to read. Also, and this is a rule that ZS had to start implementing before you got here, we're not allowed to use the phrases "natural selection", "darwin award", or espouse a crass, callous attitude toward the deaths of children.

As you know, the moderators have a graduated system for rule infractions, and none of those steps involve public shaming. For example, a moderator couldn't call you a pathetic fuck or tell you to get the fuck off our message boards.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Browning 35 » Tue Apr 02, 2013 4:50 pm

phractal wrote:My front yard alone is over 5 acres and fenced with barbed wire, electric fencing, and in ground dog fencing. There's not a person within 5 miles that doesn't know my dog roams the farm. Most people on the south end of the island have lived here for at least 30 years or more. It's pretty obvious where to and not to go. The rest is natural selection. I ain't too worried. That's what home owners insurance is for.
It wouldn't just be home owners insurance, you'd likely go to prison.

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Perhaps you wouldn't be devastated if your dog killed a child (or any other innocent person for that matter), so that's why there are now laws to personally devastate you to bring you inline with everyone else for whom this would be a big deal.

You may hate children, that's fine. Don't have any. One thing you should probably know is that most people hate others who hurt children or encourage their dogs to maul them with a bleeding, black, ulcerous passion.

Even violent criminals hate such people. That's why typically when they lock such people up they have to put such people someplace else to keep them from getting victimized themselves.

Something to think about before you use your dog as a weapon.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Groucho » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:00 pm

I'm nuetral on the subject of children, but they really seem to like me for some reason. I think I would be calling 911. My neighbor I didn't get along with would let his kid roam around when his wife wasn't home. The kid was on my porch one chilly day in the rain with no coat. From inside I told him to go home and got a firm "No!" as an asnwer. I knocked on the glass of the screen door with my knuckle and ordered him home not trying to scare the kid. He left crying anyway and his father showed up shortly threatening to kill me, mess me up, etc. I assured him I'd inform his wife, who was a decent person, how well he looked after the boy when she wasn't home. I was sure many of the neighbors had seem the child wandering around. I ended up talking with the state police about the death threat so I should have just called them to begin with. At the time I lived in pretty wild neighborhood.
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Post by airballrad » Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:05 pm

phractal wrote:It's pretty obvious where to and not to go. The rest is natural selection. I ain't too worried. That's what home owners insurance is for.
No, this is not OK. You can have whatever opinion you damn well please, but if you can't engage your stupid filter on the forums you get the dunce cap. Please moderate your posting to avoid illegal and/or inflammatory statements or you will be banned.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by Kelvar » Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:09 pm

Most of you guys are awesome and decent folks. One of you is not.

In an unrelated matter, I've never seen a homeowner's policy (or *any* insurance policy) that covers intentional acts. Also, insurance does not keep one out of prison.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by closingresponse » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:47 am

Basically what everyone has said already, lots of great things to think about and consider.


Ok, I'll edit..

To the one unsavory person who ruined this thread, you are a very bad person.


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Re: Child at the Door

Post by elricfate » Wed Apr 03, 2013 8:58 am

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While I appreciate your zeal, you may want to take a look at the rules of the forum too, since you're breaking one of them.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by DannusMaximus » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:17 am

closingresponse wrote:To the fucker who ruined this thread: you are what is wrong with this world. You can eat shit and die, and your dog too.
No reason to wish doom on an innocent dog because their owner has some type of mental pathology.
majorhavoc wrote:Short of an apocalyptic world, I can confidently say my response will always be: take the child's hand and cheerfully say: "Well hello there sweetheart! Let's go find your mommy and daddy!"
Some interation of this is the correct answer. I would probably just sit on my porch (pretty good view of the surrounding neighborhood) with the kiddo, cell phone in the other hand talking to five-oh. Hang tight until mom and dad show up, but I would probably also ask them to wait around until the cops showed up (if the parents showed up first) to confirm ownership. I would think any reasonable parent would understand that I don't just want to hand over a random kid to the first people that say he/she belongs to them until LE checks them out.

Seriously. Lost little kids get help. If it's some type of ambush I'll congratulate the perps on their deviousness and go down in a blaze of glory.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by closingresponse » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:20 am

elricfate wrote: While I appreciate your zeal, you may want to take a look at the rules of the forum too, since you're breaking one of them.
Edited my post of zeal. But now you need to edit the quote in your post! :oops:

DannusMaximus wrote:Seriously. Lost little kids get help. If it's some type of ambush I'll congratulate the perps on their deviousness and go down in a blaze of glory.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by elricfate » Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:57 am

closingresponse wrote:
elricfate wrote: While I appreciate your zeal, you may want to take a look at the rules of the forum too, since you're breaking one of them.
Edited my post of zeal. But now you need to edit the quote in your post! :oops:

DannusMaximus wrote:Seriously. Lost little kids get help. If it's some type of ambush I'll congratulate the perps on their deviousness and go down in a blaze of glory.
This.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by jor-el » Wed Apr 03, 2013 11:32 am

MacAttack wrote: I got scared one day when i met a woman who truly believed that EVERY male who was single was out to touch her little girl in all those wrong ways.
She really believed it.
If her kid ever left her sight for a second she was holding the phone ready to dial the cops about an abduction. Tears in her eyes.


If a kid ever came to my door now, that is all I think about, some mother on the phone right now calling about someone abducting her kid. If I didn't call the cops right then and there my fanny could be answering a LOT of questions in some police station because that bat would be screaming to all hell to make sure I was questioned if not polygraphed to make sure I never ever touched her kid.
She even accused her own husband of raping her. That's why they got a divorce. He had proof, he was at work, out of town.

That one incident has scared the crap out of me. Strange kids are not something I even want to be alone with, ever.
That woman is bad news. Given enough time someone like that will start accusing cops of improprieties and make a mess of the investigation. That gets fixed when such a person gets "the boy that cried wolf" reputation.
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Re: Child at the Door

Post by mariposa » Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:48 pm

phractal wrote:Booger eater shows up at my door, I let my 110 lb dog out... I fucking HATE children, with a bleeding, black, ulcerous passion, and everyone in my AO knows it.
If I saw that, it would be the end of the dog. A viable alternative would be to stay inside, call 911 and report an unattended toddler roaming the neighborhood.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by HuntingBow96 » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:15 pm

mariposa wrote:
phractal wrote:Booger eater shows up at my door, I let my 110 lb dog out... I fucking HATE children, with a bleeding, black, ulcerous passion, and everyone in my AO knows it.
If I saw that, it would be the end of the dog. A viable alternative would be to stay inside, call 911 and report an unattended toddler roaming the neighborhood.
Agreed.

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Re: Child at the Door

Post by charadeur » Thu Apr 04, 2013 9:33 pm

majorhavoc wrote:Some times we live in a bubble of paranoia that is of our owing making.

Short of an apocalyptic world, I can confidently say my response will always be: take the child's hand and cheerfully say: "Well hello there sweetheart! Let's go find your mommy and daddy!"
This seems like a reasoned response and exactly what I would do. I am a member of the county SAR team so helping just seems natural. Some of the responses here are pretty sick if you ask me.
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