Excellent! We will probably need the resupply.

Why are you obsessed with staying in the city?

Your only reasons so far has been that you work there and your kids school there... NOT issues in the ZPAW.

A fair-sized isolated island a mile's kayak paddle from the mainland with critters a-plenty on and around it, an already established community of boat pilots, and the remains of a WW2 era fort. Did I mention the Swedish Bikini Team will be making us omelets of sea turtle eggs?

If you bring Tattoo, I'll teach him to make Mai-Tais.

i'll be at my house with my supplies unless it becomes unsafe

then my parents more isolated house.

if thats not an option i have several other options none of which are illegal or involve taking anything over.

also i dont have kids.... do you know something i dont? maybe i should call my wife..... or maybe that girl from panama city '04

its not rocket science read the walmart thread and come up with a real plan

I'm not obsessed with staying in the city after the Zpoc. I would love to be out in the hollow where my ancestors fought the British but that's not happening. I currently live in the middle of Pinellas County Florida. I can not relocate from here unless TSHTF. If it does, then I know that getting off of this god forsaken peninsula of nearly 1million will be nearly impossible without at least 2 days notice. I am not a lone wolf survivalist. I will not home school my children while we live on dried milk and pinto beans in a fall out shelter waiting for the balloon to go up. Nor will I evacuate at every boogie man. Any sort of fighting retreat from this county is sure death unless you know how to pilot a boat in open ocean.

So.... the only other option is to figure out a place to dig in where you can control the approach, access water and food, and be able to get rescued. Tough requirements in this county without over crowding.

DOH!!!!! You mean THAT Pilot Key. Yeah..... that's a great one. Now I know what you're talking about. I hope that you're already on family terms with those folks. I could see them putting up a pretty quick blockade of their island to protect it from the infected.

This is the thread that attracted me to this site.
I too live in St. Petersburg...on the west side, near St. Pete General (yeah I can see it from where I am...WAY too close to a place were many will go in the beginning of an outbreak).

The Pier...hmmm.
If there was time to procure/move a couple of those "sail"boats from the Municipal marina over to the Pier...as a way to escape if the SHTF...I think that the Pier could be do-able. At least as a temperary shelter.

The Pier has some bad points as a long-term shelter. Some of those have been mentioned already.
But there are some good points as a temperary shelter.
One being that access road. One way in, one way out (except there are those sailboats someone has brought over from the marina ).
I do not know at what distance the undead would be able to notice/see/smell/hear a group of survivors, but that access road could be blocked with cars/trucks. That might stop/slow down the lethargic-style undead, but would be ineffective for the in-shape, fast-moving style of the undead.
Food would be less of a problem. Fishing is pretty good from the Pier and there would be the pantries from those restaurant(s) inside the building to supplement whatever survivors bought with.

As for other 'locals' having the same idea...only if the Pier was being used as a water-borne evacuation point would a lot of folks head to it.
This is a penisula. This is hurricane country. Heading to someplace close to/on the water isn't the first thing that would come to mind for most of the local population. We are always told, in the event of an emergency...GET AWAY FROM THE WATER!

There would be some survivors that would have to retreat to the Pier, but I don't think that "thousands" would have the same idea...or the oppurtunity...to make it to the Pier.

Unless your "right there", the Pier is going to be a tough place to get to. You have to travel though the heart of downtown St. Petersburg to get to it.
This is the highest density (population) county in the state.
And St. Pete is probably the most densely populated area in the county.
As you know, being another local, there is about ZERO undeveloped land south (and not much north) of Ulmerton Rd.

As a temperary shelter and with only one access road to defend (and those sailboats as a way out/off)...I think the Pier could be OK.


Here comes the 'but' part, "IF" things aren't that bad during the initial outbreak, the Pier may very well be the worst place to be/go. With all the water-front parks, local/state/fed's could very well set-up field hospitals and shelters in those parks and use the Pier as a local command center.

I will not be going to a place were there is a strong possibility that the soon-to-be-undead would be taken for treatment/shelter.


There are a number of walled communities and campuses in the area.
The Admiral Farragur Academy and Eckerd College, just to name two campuses.
But the drawback with these...the number of other survivors needed to guard the walls.


Being residents of Pinellas county means we're pretty much screwed.
Sheltering in-place seems to be the best option, to me, until I can find out how bad things get.
I definately don't see myself heading to a government run shelter.

If I could contact a group of survivors that are at the Pier and I thought I could make it there, I might try the Pier.
But I'm closer to the Gulf. Finding a way to get on to someone's sailboat that's heading offshore to wait-it-out....that's a plan after temperaryly sheltering in-place.

I think that most of us agree with that. I have discovered that this forum is also a time machine. You should read the threads concerning Hurricanes Ivan and Katrina. They were posted immediately before, during and after those events. It certainly seems that going to an "Official" shelter puts you and yours at a serious risk. Unless you live in a flood zone, a mobile home or your roof has been ripped off, then I would spend very little time considering evac to a government run shelter.

I dont know... could work, maybe knock out 50' of the roadway with borrowed heavy equiptment. Borrow a boat or two from the big ass marina (background left)...



...Set up shop on the pier, should have generators there already... plenty of cooking gear... park your boats along side for trips to shore or escape. From the roof, a sniper could keep an eye for miles... not so bad really.