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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:26 pm

Valarius wrote:Monday night. Protest camps in Seattle, Boston, St. Louis, Dallas, Atlanta simultaneously shut down by police. Hundreds arrested. Reports of protestors and police injured and attacked.

The only mainstream news link I can find:

http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/ ... News_links" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Everything else is either YouTube videos or on political blogs. Some are firsthand accounts. Protestors are vowing to carry on.

It is called disinformation. Make an incident where none exists. I saw that same thing in the NOLA group page and when I walked by at lunch nothing was happening.

What is the likelihood of a combined action by local LEOs in 5 different cities. two chances slim & none. I call BS.

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by phil_in_cs » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:31 pm

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Valarius wrote:Monday night. Protest camps in Seattle, Boston, St. Louis, Dallas, Atlanta simultaneously shut down by police. Hundreds arrested. Reports of protestors and police injured and attacked.

The only mainstream news link I can find:

http://www.boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/ ... News_links" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Everything else is either YouTube videos or on political blogs. Some are firsthand accounts. Protestors are vowing to carry on.
It is called disinformation. Make an incident where none exists. I saw that same thing in the NOLA group page and when I walked by at lunch nothing was happening.

What is the likelihood of a combined action by local LEOs in 5 different cities. two chances slim & none. I call BS.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Valarius » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:43 pm

From Seattle:

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SEATTLE--Participants in the Occupy Seattle protest in downtown Westlake Park say they have been told the park is closed and if they remain they may be arrested.

That's the word from Sharla Laurin, an Occupy Seattle peace and safety facilitator. She says that announcement was made over a loudspeaker shortly after 11 p.m. Monday. Protesters are hearing from the mayor's office that there aren't supposed to be any arrests. They're hearing from Seattle police on scene that there may be.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by phil_in_cs » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:47 pm

Anti Homeless people ordinances make it illegal to camp in most city parks. If they were smart, they'd go home, shower/shit/shave and be back at 6am.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Valarius » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:50 pm

phil_in_cs wrote:Anti Homeless people ordinances make it illegal to camp in most city parks. If they were smart, they'd go home, shower/shit/shave and be back at 6am.
That appears to be the new tactic. Occupy everywhere and anywhere for the allowable amount of daily time, go home, come back, repeat. Unless you're in a city that has a large enough mass to be unmoved like New York.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:57 pm

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phil_in_cs wrote:Anti Homeless people ordinances make it illegal to camp in most city parks. If they were smart, they'd go home, shower/shit/shave and be back at 6am.
That appears to be the new tactic. Occupy everywhere and anywhere for the allowable amount of daily time, go home, come back, repeat. Unless you're in a city that has a large enough mass to be unmoved like New York.

The local NOLA group displaced a homeless colony in the park they are "occupying". The homeless are complaining about the fact "their home" was taken over. The NOLA group is also having to set up sentries at night to protect the group from "predators". They are asking for a larger police presence as a result. :roll:

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Vicarious_Lee » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:05 pm

ninja-elbow wrote:I think it would be funny if BoA, here, donated a bunch of tubes of hand sanitizer to the camp.
I wanna see them sponsor the whole damn thing. :lol: Port-a-potties, free bottled water, snacks, etc.

That'd be a....

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:16 pm

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ninja-elbow wrote:I think it would be funny if BoA, here, donated a bunch of tubes of hand sanitizer to the camp.
I wanna see them sponsor the whole damn thing. :lol: Port-a-potties, free bottled water, snacks, etc.

That'd be a....

/sunglasses

riot.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by ninja-elbow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:17 pm

Having lunch with the our firm's office facilities director guy today (he's the guy in charge of all the firm's security and disaster prepping amongst 50 other things) and he said we are due for our 6 month practice evacuation. Then, we realized, "Oh shit.... our office rendezvous point is the park that all them protestors are occupying!!" He called some of the other firms in the tower to see if they also used that park as a rendezvous post building evacuation and some do use it as that.

As of now, we plan to crash it when we decide to do our practice evacuation. It's our park too.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by ninja-elbow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:18 pm

raptor wrote:
Vicarious_Lee wrote:
ninja-elbow wrote:I think it would be funny if BoA, here, donated a bunch of tubes of hand sanitizer to the camp.
I wanna see them sponsor the whole damn thing. :lol: Port-a-potties, free bottled water, snacks, etc.

That'd be a....

/sunglasses

riot.
Not a bad idea. This sit in is sponsored by....
If I was a rich 1%-er, I would totally go hook them up. That would be so Art of War right there.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by the_alias » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:28 pm

Yeah that kind of stuff is already done gents!
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by ninja-elbow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:45 pm

One of the other firms in our tower (200 people... not sure if any are 1%-ers) is having thier evac drill today at 1400 (15 minutes). My facilities director and I are going to join them and see what happens.

ETA: Aww man! Due to safety and such the rendezvous point was changed to Fox park going the other way. That's a nice park BTW. Very reasonable decision if you ask me. More food carts there so good for business.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Valarius » Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:57 pm

To sum up:

Boston police have commenced a crackdown on protestors. Sacramento police are cracking down on protestors. Seattle police are at odds with the Mayor's office on arresting protestors. Portland police will celebrate John Lennon's birthday by singing "Imagine" with protestors. Dallas police are pretty calm. NOLA police couldn't care less.

No word from other cities yet.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by MVegas » Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:08 pm

raptor wrote: The local NOLA group displaced a homeless colony in the park they are "occupying". The homeless are complaining about the fact "their home" was taken over. The NOLA group is also having to set up sentries at night to protect the group from "predators". They are asking for a larger police presence as a result. :roll:
The ironies here are just too much for me to bear :lol:

Valarius wrote:To sum up:

Boston police have commenced a crackdown on protestors. Sacramento police are cracking down on protestors. Seattle police are at odds with the Mayor's office on arresting protestors. Portland police will celebrate John Lennon's birthday by singing "Imagine" with protestors. Dallas police are pretty calm. NOLA police couldn't care less.

No word from other cities yet.
Really all Boston did was push the protestors back out of an area they had just recently expanded into. "Occupy Boston" is definitely still there, but the message has been sent that they must accept a certain level of containment.

Frankly, I figure Boston and NYC are just hoping the weather will turn colder soon and send the less committed home, making things easier to deal with.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:01 pm

MVegas893.1 wrote:
raptor wrote: The local NOLA group displaced a homeless colony in the park they are "occupying". The homeless are complaining about the fact "their home" was taken over. The NOLA group is also having to set up sentries at night to protect the group from "predators". They are asking for a larger police presence as a result. :roll:
The ironies here are just too much for me to bear :lol:
There are other ironies but I have to avoid politics. :wink:

The City gave the march the required parade permit at no charge. The mayor came to visit them. The park they are using is has no specific ordinance prohibiting camping there and in fact is where the homeless are frequently seen for this reason.

So no, no one really cares what they do or how long they stay. The park is not really needed until Mardi Gras and that is months away.

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by ninja-elbow » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:16 pm

Actually, Portland Police are going to start warning ,then citing Occupy-ers for breaking city ordinance and camping in the park. Those that later do not pay the fines will be rounded up whenever this thing ends to reseed the grass and clean the park up. Law-suits are gearing up too. The media has let up on coverage as there are more important things to cover like accidents and sex offenders and other scary things. Multiple local polls have indicated that:
1) Majority of us "liberal" PDXers do not agree with Occupy's actions.
2) They are easy to work around.
3) The City is kind of just going "meh... this is Portland" to them. Will hold them accountable for anything they fuck up though. Go ahead and have your little tantrum.

Tri-Met, our bus sytem, did a great job of working around the areas blocked and putting up new bus stops to those of us affected.

Funny note: Portland Marathon was this weekend - finish line is the occupied park. Portland Marathon had the permit for the park 1 year ago, right after the last marathon. Occupy said they were willing to "compromise" with PDXM organizers :roll: . PDXM put up fences and asked Occupy for volunteers. Occupy said they offered up 500 volunteers while PDXM said it was more like 50.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by jnathan » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:55 pm

As with lots of other metropolitan areas, the effort is well underway in Chicago. They've setup a website (with sporadic updates) as well as a number of Twitter feeds. The number of arrests across the last two days is relatively low, which is somewhat surprising as traffic was most definitely affected yesterday when a number of people linked arms and blocked Michigan Ave.

My intelligence gathering efforts have been relatively limited but it appears as though three primary groups are loosely affiliated and organizing a multitude of simultaneous events.

I haven't been downtown since last week but even then I didn't see any of it myself.

Getting back on-topic, I suspect that large-scale riots are unlikely in the current climate. Despite the rhetoric of lots of unhappy voices, there's still order and that order seems to be preserved without much effort. So long as this remains the case I will remain to think riots unlikely.

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 6:24 pm

ninja-elbow wrote: PDXM put up fences and asked Occupy for volunteers. Occupy said they offered up 500 volunteers while PDXM said it was more like 50.
That is typical of what I have seen; they add a zero to any number they cite for people. 50 people is 500 people to them.

I counted around 200 people at their march. The local paper said 200 to 300. They cited 300 to 400 and are now saying there were around 500 to 1,000.

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Funny note: Portland Marathon was this weekend - finish line is the occupied park. Portland Marathon had the permit for the park 1 year ago, right after the last marathon. Occupy said they were willing to "compromise" with PDXM organizers :roll: . PDXM put up fences and asked Occupy for volunteers. Occupy said they offered up 500 volunteers while PDXM said it was more like 50.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Mall Ninja » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:42 pm

Interesting... The only guy who managed to get himself pepper sprayed at the protest at the Smithsonian the other day is a self described "Agent Provocateur" who works at the American Spectator online and who disses the protesters for being unwilling to adopt more confrontational tactics http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/08/standoff-in-dc. (Apparently the original article has been edited since it was originally posted).

While the protest supporters are upset at the guy, it seems to me he has done them a big favor; he gives them an example of what to avoid when someone shows up trying to lure people into doing something that will bring discredit to the protests and also plausible deniability when those things end up happening anyway as they almost inevitably do...
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:58 pm

I just do not understand why they protested the Smithsonian. Are they angry with museums?

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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by Kommander » Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:02 pm

The whole air and space thing was stupid and a good example of how to the public to write your group off as a bunch of kooks.
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Re: Bloomberg: Jobs crisis could spark riots here (in USA)

Post by raptor » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:27 pm

Kommander wrote:The whole air and space thing was stupid and a good example of how to the public to write your group off as a bunch of kooks.
Yes that was simply grandstanding. Nothing more. It resulted in others being denied access to the museum when they closed it. That was plain wrong.

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