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Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by TC » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:31 am

I thought about posting on this before, but decided not to. Since it keeps happening though and since it's so bloody awful, I reconsidered and decided to bring it up. If this isn't enough of a disaster for the DICE board, perhaps a mod can move it to OT if needs be.
The Times wrote: Five children hurt in third China school attack in three days

Five young Chinese children were battered with a hammer when a farmer burst into their kindergarten class early this morning, stunning a nation already in shock after two school attacks in 24 hours.

The man used his motorcycle to ram through a gate to the school in Weifang in eastern Shandong province in what appeared to be third copycat assault in as many days before burning himself to death.

The farmer, Wang Yonglai, struck at a teacher who tried to block his entry and then wielded a hammer against kindergarten toddlers, injuring five.

He grabbed two children from a pre-school class at the Zhangzhuang Primary School before dousing his body in petrol and setting himself alight. Teachers had time to pull the two children to safety.

None of the children had sustained life-threatening injuries.

China is already reeling for attacks on schoolchildren that have provoked panic among parents and a string of emergency security measures by schools nationwide.

In Beijing’s Western District, all kindergartens, primary and middle schools have installed emergency two-metre high metal barriers outside schools. In southern Nanjing’s Drum Tower district school security guards were being equipped with police truncheons and pepper spray. In central Changsha, parents had created volunteer teams to escort children to and from school.

A day earlier a 47-year-old unemployed man rampaged through a kindergarten in southeastern Jiangsu province slashing at children with a knife, wounding 29 children aged four or five along with two teachers and a caretaker. Five of the children were in serious condition with two still in intensive care.

Xu Yuyuan was finally subdued by neighbours who attacked him with a fire extinguisher and a mop.

Mr Xu told police he carried out the attack in anger after a series of business and personal humiliations. Mr Xu, described as being quite well off, said it was his “revenge on society.

On Wednesday, a 33-year-old man with a history of mental illness rushed through classrooms in a primary school in southern Guangdong province, hacking at random with a foot-long knife and wounding 16 pupils and a teacher.

The wave of copycat school attacks coincides with poor care for the mentally unstable and growing feelings of social injustice in a country undergoing rapid transformation after 30 years of market-oriented economic reforms.
Here's a report on one yesterday's Jiangsu attack:
Reuters wrote: Chinese man stabs children in kindergarten

(Reuters) - A knife-wielding man injured 28 children, two teachers and a security guard in a kindergarten in eastern China, state media reported on Thursday, the fourth such stabbing case in recent weeks.

Xu Yuyuan, 47, an unemployed local man, broke into a classroom in Taixing city of eastern Jiangsu province on Thursday morning, attacking the children with a 20 cm long knife, the official Xinhua news agency said.

The injured children were all about four years old, and five are in critical condition, it added.

Xu has been jobless since he was fired from a local insurance company in 2001, and then took part in pyramid selling schemes, Xinhua added.

The attack is the fourth reported school stabbing in China in recent weeks, and the rash of violence has prompted public calls for more measures to protect students in a country where many couples only have one child.

A man stabbed 16 students and a teacher at a primary school in southern China on Wednesday, the same day that a former doctor was executed for stabbing to death eight school children last month.

"More concrete measures should be taken to make school the safest place," a commentary in today's Beijing News said, calling for more serve punishment for these killers.

Some Chinese people have taken to the Internet to discuss the root causes of the increasing number of school tragedies.

"We should think about these cases from a deeper side, the voices of weak people were ignored, and then they took revenge on society," said one commentary on the online Bulletin Board System of Tsinghua University (http://www.newsmth.net" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;).

A commentary by the official China Youth Daily, shortly after the first stabbing, said that in addition to beefing up security at schools, the government should offer more psychological counselling across the country.
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Re: Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by Lucretius » Fri Apr 30, 2010 4:50 am

:shock: THIS is when this family is cutting its expences and start to home school our kids.
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Re: Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by jor-el » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:18 am

Weird psych dynamic going on here.

Single men with little or no hope of raising families attacking children at schools. Kill kids until caught/stopped by adults. Offer mealy mouthed excuses to the media.

I've heard of this happening in Japan, as well.

I imagine if suicide alone were the goal, there are many methods.
If suicide by proxy were the goal, attacking a police station or army garrison would work a lot better.

A lot of this screams attention whores. Like the Brooklyn Bridge jumpers that insist on personal theatre before jumping and never do it.
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Post by JojoZS » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:36 am

jor-el wrote: A lot of this screams attention whores. Like the Brooklyn Bridge jumpers that insist on personal theatre before jumping and never do it.
I watched this this morning and the Chinese newscaster explained that they were more than likely trying to get the most attention they could. The harming of children, coupled with the other attacks guarantees them media attention.
Some people were concerned that the media should stop airing the attacks.
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Post by dogbane » Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:40 am

Some discussion on the first two attacks has taken place on this thread: http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 29&t=61566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Post by phil_in_cs » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:02 am

JojoZS wrote:I watched this this morning and the Chinese newscaster explained that they were more than likely trying to get the most attention they could. The harming of children, coupled with the other attacks guarantees them media attention.
Some people were concerned that the media should stop airing the attacks.
See also teen suicide clusters - the more they are reported, the more they happen.
dogbane wrote:Some discussion on the first two attacks has taken place on this thread: http://www.zombiehunters.org/forum/view ... 29&t=61566" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe I'll merge them later.
I'm unsure too. If we're discussing the trend in general, that's more an Off Topic sort of post.
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Re: Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by Heartless51 » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:11 am

Another thought, extremely off the wall. What if these pathetic individuals don't want more children growing up in the world they're forced to live in?

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Post by phil_in_cs » Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:16 am

Heartless51 wrote:Another thought, extremely off the wall. What if these pathetic individuals don't want more children growing up in the world they're forced to live in?
It can be tough to try to make sense of something that is by definition senseless.
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Post by Valarius » Sat May 01, 2010 2:21 pm

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I can't think of a joke to make. I suppose kids should be enrolled in a martial art, or something.
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Post by JojoZS » Sat May 01, 2010 2:25 pm

Valarius wrote:Blades don't need reloading. Hammers don't need resharpening.

I can't think of a joke to make. I suppose kids should be enrolled in a martial art, or something.
Those kids are like 4yrs old, martial arts isn't going to help.
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Post by BeerandGuns » Sat May 01, 2010 2:33 pm

Valarius wrote:Blades don't need reloading. Hammers don't need resharpening.

I can't think of a joke to make. I suppose kids should be enrolled in a martial art, or something.
Some little kids got attacked and you couldn't think of a joke to make? That's the real tragedy.
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Post by allofthemonkeys » Sun May 02, 2010 1:31 pm

Dang, I'm an aid in a kindergarten class. Of all the scenarios that I've thought of this wasn't one. Thanks for posting this.
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Post by ZombieGranny » Mon May 03, 2010 3:58 pm

I worked preschool for many years.

Every parent enrolling their child/children was made aware that the child might need to witness the teachers taking down an intruder. My wonderful Marine, Navy, and Coast Guard relatives came in twice a month to run through scenarios with all teachers, aides and even the office staff.
NOBODY was going to hurt those children while under my care. (Thank you Vi, wherever you are, for allowing it.) I always thought it would feel intimidating, but the parents seemed to feel it was reassuring.
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Post by phil_in_cs » Wed May 12, 2010 7:45 am

Another one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/8676613.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Seven children and a teacher have been hacked to death at a kindergarten in China, the latest in a series of school attacks, state media report.

Another 11 children were injured in the attack near Hanzhong city, Shaanxi province, Xinhua news agency reported.

The children were all thought to be under the age of six - their attacker later killed himself.

There have been five violent school attacks in the past two months in China, leaving dozens dead or injured.
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Post by dogbane » Wed May 12, 2010 7:52 am

Some local police authorities have distributed steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools but such measures are considered expensive and their effectiveness is unproven.
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Post by TC » Wed May 12, 2010 8:49 am

Just saw this too. Here's the Times article. This is really shitty.
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Some local police authorities have distributed steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools but such measures are considered expensive and their effectiveness is unproven.
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It's a problem that I have been giving some thought to as well but I can't think of a good solution for.

I don't see guns being the answer here. The guards likely have little or no training with firearms in a security role, not to mention that if it's just one middle aged guy standing at the school gate, he's going to be easily dispatched by an attacker who looks like any other person on the street. They can't draw on everyone who approaches the school, but as a result they are vulnerable to sudden attack by someone who just seems like a regular guy asking the time of day or for directions. On top of that, you now have an attacker in the school with a knife and a gun.

The only way to make arming the school's staff work is to have two guards, both armed. Since the attackers operate alone, at least this way if the first guard goes down, the second can take the attacker out. Even in that case, you need to pay for two guards instead of one, pay for their training and pay for their guns. If they can't afford a pitchfork, how the hell are they going to pay for all that. Plus, let's not forget that this is China, they aren't exactly the sorts to hand out guns easily.

In the absence of funds and will, I don't see any way to stop this happening. Can't beef up security, can't see these attackers coming easily, can't stop the problems at the source. It's a real bugger...
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Post by dogbane » Wed May 12, 2010 8:52 am

TC wrote:Just saw this too. Here's the Times article. This is really shitty.
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Some local police authorities have distributed steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools but such measures are considered expensive and their effectiveness is unproven.
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It's a problem that I have been giving some thought to as well but I can't think of a good solution for.
I, too am at a loss. And this guy was a known benefactor of the kindergarten, so it's not as if he would have raised any alarms.
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Post by ZombieGranny » Wed May 12, 2010 9:47 am

It would help if schools would have doors with frigging LOCKS!
- You know, ones that can actually be locked by someone other than the janitor?

Have you ever been to your local schools?
Unless things have changed in the past few years, one cannot lock the classroom doors, or even the outer ones.
The first thing to do is get the children to safety while calling the cops, and lock the damn doors!
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Post by JojoZS » Wed May 12, 2010 11:12 am

ZombieGranny wrote:It would help if schools would have doors with frigging LOCKS!
- You know, ones that can actually be locked by someone other than the janitor?

Have you ever been to your local schools?
Unless things have changed in the past few years, one cannot lock the classroom doors, or even the outer ones.
The first thing to do is get the children to safety while calling the cops, and lock the damn doors!

When my kids were in high school, about 6yrs ago. A kid was showing another kid his gun in the bathroom and it accidentally went off shooting one of them.
We heard about it on the news, so my husband drives to the school to pick up our kids, in case they wanted to come home.

He walks right into the school, no one stops him, no one asks him who he is. There has just been a SHOOTING and no one cares! He was pissed! He finally had to go hunt someone down and have them take him to the admin office so he could tell them how stupid they were.
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Post by TC » Wed May 12, 2010 2:17 pm

JojoZS wrote:
ZombieGranny wrote:It would help if schools would have doors with frigging LOCKS!
- You know, ones that can actually be locked by someone other than the janitor?

Have you ever been to your local schools?
Unless things have changed in the past few years, one cannot lock the classroom doors, or even the outer ones.
The first thing to do is get the children to safety while calling the cops, and lock the damn doors!

When my kids were in high school, about 6yrs ago. A kid was showing another kid his gun in the bathroom and it accidentally went off shooting one of them.
We heard about it on the news, so my husband drives to the school to pick up our kids, in case they wanted to come home.

He walks right into the school, no one stops him, no one asks him who he is. There has just been a SHOOTING and no one cares! He was pissed! He finally had to go hunt someone down and have them take him to the admin office so he could tell them how stupid they were.
That would be one basic layer of protection better, although unless the doors and locks themselves are sturdy enough to resist attempts to force them and there is also no other way to access the classrooms externally, say through large glass windows that may do little to help. There are two other factors that affect my expectations of strong, lockable doors to classrooms. Firstly, these schools find it an expense to provide a pitchfork to the security guard, they may very well not have the funds to put strong doors and locks in. Secondly, I have my doubts about the capacity for the provision of such measures at all, considering we are talking about a country in which the schools are built to such poor spec that they flatten themselves instantly in an earthquake.

I know that it's really tempting to think of this in terms of a developed western country, but the resources that would exist to solve this kind of problem here are mainly unavailable to these Chinese schools.

As for locks in schools in the US and other western countries that aren't controlled mainly by the janitor, I believe that these may be absent for reasons such as fire safety codes and other safety concerns. I might be wrong about that though. Speaking from my own experiences of school, all the ones I went to had doors with locks with the keys held by the teachers using the room at the time. I can't say if this is SOP for all schools over here though, it's just my own experience.
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Post by spacetyrant » Wed May 12, 2010 2:52 pm

dogbane wrote:
Some local police authorities have distributed steel pitchforks and pepper spray to security guards in schools but such measures are considered expensive and their effectiveness is unproven.
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The People's Liberation Army, is on the order of 3.5 million members. Maybe they can spare a division or two for school security.

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Post by MarkyBoy » Wed May 12, 2010 3:01 pm

The People's Liberation Army, is on the order of 3.5 million members. Maybe they can spare a division or two for school security.
Exactly. The Chinese are not going to let their kids be killed at school any more than we would. They will find the money for locks and doors. In the meanwhile, expect a cop or soldier with pick-axe handle to be posted.

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Re: Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by raptor » Thu May 13, 2010 4:14 pm

Amazing yet another successful and unsuccessful attack.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/14/world ... na.html?hp" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Chinese Kindergarten Attacks

Post by TC » Thu May 13, 2010 4:33 pm

Huh. Guess I was wrong! Still, it's just one city, I wonder if any others will be able to tool up.

By the way, just to satisfy my curiosity, anyone know what guns are they using? I had a poke around the second article but the quality of the English is pretty hit and miss and I couldn't see any details.

Anyway, sucks that there were more attacks. Disturbing that it was a women in the failed attack too...
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