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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by Rev » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:18 pm

They don't want to turn it into the Wild West? What the hell is it now?
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by riverjoe47 » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:26 pm

British contractors stress the importance of intelligence and surveillance, a safe room for the crew to retreat to if the ship is boarded, and the range of non-lethal deterrence measures available.
"The standard approach is for (pirates) to come in with all guns blazing at the bridge because when a boat is stopped it's easier to board," said David Johnson, director of British security firm Eos. "But if you have guns onboard, you are going to escalate the situation. We don't want to turn that part of the world into the Wild West."
Johnson's employees don't carry arms, relying on tactics that can be as simple as greasing or electrifying hand rails, putting barbed wire around the freeboard — the lowest area of the deck — or installing high-pressure fire hoses directed at vulnerable areas of a ship.....................

Im sure greasy hand rails are really going to deter these guys .
If they hold them off a hundred meters or so the pirates RPGs have a range of 1100 meters so why not just put one right at the waterline of a tanker for a lesson . They want to pretend these guys are just gonna give up cause it gets a little tougher to get on board , I maintain that they're not gonna be stopped so easily . These guys travel 3 or 4 hundred miles in open boats and attack ships with crews of 30 or 40 with 5 men .
Somebody needs to intercept them well before rocket range and start doing it quickly before they start buying anti ship missiles .
Its already the wild west as Rev says with armed felons attacking underarmed stage coaches .
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by Molon Labe » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:33 pm

riverjoe47 wrote:British contractors stress the importance of intelligence and surveillance, a safe room for the crew to retreat to if the ship is boarded, and the range of non-lethal deterrence measures available.
"The standard approach is for (pirates) to come in with all guns blazing at the bridge because when a boat is stopped it's easier to board," said David Johnson, director of British security firm Eos. "But if you have guns onboard, you are going to escalate the situation. We don't want to turn that part of the world into the Wild West."
Johnson's employees don't carry arms, relying on tactics that can be as simple as greasing or electrifying hand rails, putting barbed wire around the freeboard — the lowest area of the deck — or installing high-pressure fire hoses directed at vulnerable areas of a ship.

Im sure greasy hand rails are really going to deter these guys .
If they hold them off a hundred yards or so the RPGs have a range of
Wow, either he's a gigantic fucking idiot or he's a gigantic pussy. Probably both judging by his statements.
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by grand94jeep » Sat Mar 05, 2011 10:15 pm

Molon Labe wrote: Wow, either he's a gigantic fucking idiot or he's a gigantic pussy. Probably both judging by his statements.
Nope, not "either," he's both. :wink:

He believes like every other pussified person in the world, that they can reason with bullies/criminals/pirates. :evil:
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by AKFTW » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:31 pm

I'd LOVE to be the guy who is elected to point a FIREHOSE at somebody with an AK or RPG :roll:

Do the people who come up with these kinds of ideas even LIVE in this dimension?
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by Greg Focker » Sun Mar 06, 2011 3:58 am

AKFTW wrote:I'd LOVE to be the guy who is elected to point a FIREHOSE at somebody with an AK or RPG :roll:

Do the people who come up with these kinds of ideas even LIVE in this dimension?
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Replace "reavers" with "pirates" and you're pretty much spot on :wink:
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by survivaljoe » Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:42 pm

BreakingNews: US commandos capture 4 suspected pirates in raid - AP http://bit.ly/eVcc4y" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by grand94jeep » Sun Mar 06, 2011 4:29 pm

Greg Focker wrote:
AKFTW wrote:I'd LOVE to be the guy who is elected to point a FIREHOSE at somebody with an AK or RPG :roll:

Do the people who come up with these kinds of ideas even LIVE in this dimension?
To the people of the Core Worlds, Reavers are a campfire tale and bedtime story; to the people of the Border Worlds and Colonies, Reavers are very real.
Replace "reavers" with "pirates" and you're pretty much spot on :wink:
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by SeerSavant » Sun Mar 06, 2011 9:24 pm

grand94jeep wrote:
Greg Focker wrote:
AKFTW wrote:I'd LOVE to be the guy who is elected to point a FIREHOSE at somebody with an AK or RPG :roll:

Do the people who come up with these kinds of ideas even LIVE in this dimension?
To the people of the Core Worlds, Reavers are a campfire tale and bedtime story; to the people of the Border Worlds and Colonies, Reavers are very real.
Replace "reavers" with "pirates" and you're pretty much spot on :wink:
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by survivaljoe » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:17 pm

BreakingNews: Update: Some Somalia forces killed in the attempt to rescue Danish family from pirates - AP http://on.msnbc.com/hhZlqU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by riverjoe47 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:29 pm

survivaljoe wrote:BreakingNews: Update: Some Somalia forces killed in the attempt to rescue Danish family from pirates - AP http://on.msnbc.com/hhZlqU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Ok so not all Somalis are pirates . The Somali officials say they are trying to negotiate with clan elders .
So clan sounds like a specific enough target . Pay the elder, retrieve the hostages and then visit the clan with a little spanking .

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Re: Somali pirates hijack ship; 20 Americans aboard

Post by jnathan » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:48 pm

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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

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riverjoe47 wrote: Ok so not all Somalis are pirates . The Somali officials say they are trying to negotiate with clan elders .
So clan sounds like a specific enough target . Pay the elder, retrieve the hostages and then visit the clan with a little spanking .

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I'd need more information. Most clans are actually fairly loosely organized and elders and chiefs are not always in direct control like you'd expect from a military superior. Quite likely while the majority of a clan is not active in piracy or even in support of it I can see individual bands and groups partaking in it especially because of how impoverished the nation is. The elders would not be able to order the release of hostages because they are not in direct control, the leader of that particular war band is. They could however use political/cultural/familial pressure to get them to let up and release the hostages in best interest of the clan.

I could be wrong but that's why I'm a bit hesitant to attack "clans" without further information. Accidentally kill a couple of the older level headed leaders and you'll get a more volatile situation. Imagine if you will a blood feud that leads to hijacking and scuttling of ships instead of taking them hostage. Sink one of the super tankers and we'll be looking at a real problem.
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by riverjoe47 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 4:30 pm

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riverjoe47 wrote: Ok so not all Somalis are pirates . The Somali officials say they are trying to negotiate with clan elders .
So clan sounds like a specific enough target . Pay the elder, retrieve the hostages and then visit the clan with a little spanking .

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I'd need more information. Most clans are actually fairly loosely organized and elders and chiefs are not always in direct control like you'd expect from a military superior. Quite likely while the majority of a clan is not active in piracy or even in support of it I can see individual bands and groups partaking in it especially because of how impoverished the nation is. The elders would not be able to order the release of hostages because they are not in direct control, the leader of that particular war band is. They could however use political/cultural/familial pressure to get them to let up and release the hostages in best interest of the clan.

I could be wrong but that's why I'm a bit hesitant to attack "clans" without further information. Accidentally kill a couple of the older level headed leaders and you'll get a more volatile situation. Imagine if you will a blood feud that leads to hijacking and scuttling of ships instead of taking them hostage. Sink one of the super tankers and we'll be looking at a real problem.
Too much thinking . My guess is the whole clan benefits from the piracy .
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Ok can I at least give them a little demonstration of the Wart Hog ?
Tear up the soccer stadium or something .
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by SeerSavant » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:21 pm

Now, now....

What would the other nations think of us?



I mean, their attacks are clearly a cry for help.... Right?






Everyone is looking at this from a civilized point of view.... Have any of the talking heads considered that we may not be dealing with a civilized foe?

Are we even allowed to call them our foe?






The responses I've read (Not here on the forum, but from the various news articles) make me shake my head and think very uncivilized thoughts....

I'll stop there...
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

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SeerSavant wrote: Are we even allowed to call them our foe?

The responses I've read (Not here on the forum, but from the various news articles) make me shake my head and think very uncivilized thoughts....

I'll stop there...
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by raptor » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:33 pm

Five pirates convicted in the US and sentenced to life in prison plus 80 additional years..just in case. The last person trial for piracy was conducted over 200 years ago.

They said they were just fishermen and others forced them to shoot guns at a US Navy vessel. :roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424 ... sNewsForth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by Lynxian » Mon Mar 14, 2011 4:54 pm

Interesting: Dutch media are reporting that the Minister of Defence will soon approve to station Dutch marines aboard Dutch merchant vessels.

Footnote: it's not confirmed by the Ministry of Defence yet.
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Post by SeerSavant » Mon Mar 14, 2011 10:58 pm

raptor wrote:Five pirates convicted in the US and sentenced to life in prison plus 80 additional years..just in case. The last person trial for piracy was conducted over 200 years ago.

They said they were just fishermen and others forced them to shoot guns at a US Navy vessel. :roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424 ... sNewsForth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You know what the funny part of this is..... Not funny haha, but funny sad.

The quality of life in an american prison just might be better than the quality of life for a pirate on the coast of a place as unstable as Somalia.
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by grand94jeep » Mon Mar 14, 2011 11:08 pm

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raptor wrote:Five pirates convicted in the US and sentenced to life in prison plus 80 additional years..just in case. The last person trial for piracy was conducted over 200 years ago.

They said they were just fishermen and others forced them to shoot guns at a US Navy vessel. :roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424 ... sNewsForth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You know what the funny part of this is..... Not funny haha, but funny sad.

The quality of life in an american prison just might be better than the quality of life for a pirate on the coast of a place as unstable as Somalia.
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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by SeerSavant » Tue Mar 15, 2011 12:09 am

grand94jeep wrote:
SeerSavant wrote:
raptor wrote:Five pirates convicted in the US and sentenced to life in prison plus 80 additional years..just in case. The last person trial for piracy was conducted over 200 years ago.

They said they were just fishermen and others forced them to shoot guns at a US Navy vessel. :roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424 ... sNewsForth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You know what the funny part of this is..... Not funny haha, but funny sad.

The quality of life in an american prison just might be better than the quality of life for a pirate on the coast of a place as unstable as Somalia.
Almost a definite truth there SS. That is, until they meet Jerome. :shock: Jerome likes his bitches to talk funny. :twisted:

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SeerSavant wrote:
raptor wrote:Five pirates convicted in the US and sentenced to life in prison plus 80 additional years..just in case. The last person trial for piracy was conducted over 200 years ago.

They said they were just fishermen and others forced them to shoot guns at a US Navy vessel. :roll:
http://online.wsj.com/articleSB10001424 ... sNewsForth" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


You know what the funny part of this is..... Not funny haha, but funny sad.

The quality of life in an american prison just might be better than the quality of life for a pirate on the coast of a place as unstable as Somalia.
I was thinking the same thing. Yes federal prison sucks. It is dangerous and not pleasant but they get feed on a regular basis, they get medical care at a level that exceeds the best hospital in Somalia and if they are abused they have recourse.

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Post by riverjoe47 » Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:41 pm

GUILTY .....

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Re: Modern Day Pirates, Somalia and beyond

Post by Lynxian » Mon Apr 04, 2011 3:06 am

Dutch ministry of Defense reports killing two and wounding several Somali pirates; two Dutch RHIBs with Marines approached a suspicious vessel (turned out to be a hijacked Iranian fishing vessel) and the pirates opened fire. Marines on board RHIBs as well as those on the side of the Dutch destroyer returned fire, killing two. The vessel was then boarded and the remaining 16 pirates were arrested. A second pirate boat then approached to retake the vessel, but decided against it after the destroyer fired warning shots with its main cannon.

Since the pirates opened fire on Dutch marines they might be put on trail in The Netherlands, but nothing's been reported about that so far.

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