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Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:03 pm
by gridley
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And Sharia may now be used to rule on DOMESTIC VIOLENCE cases?!!?

OK, at the moment this is just a toehold. But I can't help but think about how dangerous a toehold has proven to be in history, especially in a precedent-based (for now) legal system.

Compared to a 500 point drop in the Dow this may not seem like a big thing today, but I think five years from now it will matter a whole lot more (unless, as I sincerely pray to whatever gods may be listening, it is overturned).

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:05 pm
by Cyborg
At the moment it's only used in Civil cases and not criminal ones and then both parties must consent to being tried by a sharia court.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:06 pm
by gridley
BoneDoc wrote:At the moment it's only used in Civil cases and not criminal ones and then both parties must consent to being tried by a sharia court.
True. Just a toehold, as I said.

Much like Utah Beach, for example.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:06 pm
by OhioMe
w/o violating the 'no politics/religion' rules... it is my personal feeling a nation can only have one set of law for ALL of its citizens.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:07 pm
by Mad_Maxx
BoneDoc wrote:At the moment it's only used in Civil cases and not criminal ones and then both parties must consent to being tried by a sharia court.
"Agree woman, or i will kill you" *rolls eyes* This shit has got to be put a stop to...

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:09 pm
by gridley
OhioMe wrote:w/o violating the 'no politics/religion' rules... it is my personal feeling a free nation can only have one set of law for ALL of its citizens.
Fixed that for ya.

+100

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:10 pm
by andygates
It does.

This is an arbitration meeting, not a court. None of the normal British laws are challenged by this.

It's not the big story it looks like.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 7:17 pm
by JägerZ
It's big enough, IMHO. I'm afraid that the British Govt has completely gone round the bend.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 9:11 pm
by KeeblerNinjaClan
:D :) :shock: :? :evil:

Seriously, who thought that this would be a good idea? They need to be smacked. This sets a bad precedent for the US.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:24 pm
by Ovationman
Yea sounds like a bad idea all around. Looks like the British government is avoiding yet another problem.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:35 pm
by KeeblerNinjaClan
Sorta. They may not have rocked the boat, but they are steering it into a bloody hurricane.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:52 pm
by crypto
JägerZ wrote:It's big enough, IMHO. I'm afraid that the British Govt has completely gone round the bend.
This is what drove you over the edge? You must have missed the whole pointy knives thing.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 10:56 pm
by Czechnology
crypto wrote:
JägerZ wrote:It's big enough, IMHO. I'm afraid that the British Govt has completely gone round the bend.
This is what drove you over the edge? You must have missed the whole pointy knives thing.
Yeah I was going to say, "How did this come as a surprise to you?"

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 1:45 am
by Ad'lan
We also have law's like this for Jew's (the Beth Din), and Christian's, of various stripes (the eclesiastical court's). I don't like it, and I don't like the other religious court's, but it's only giving muslim's equal parity with other loonies.... Sorry, believer's.

I don't like this, I don't approve it, and I think it is a step in the wrong direction, because there are people, particularly women, coerced, by their community and familey, into following sharia law, even if they do not wish to, because it has 'legal' status.

Also, this set's up an offical line on what and what is not offically Sharia Law in the UK. Again, Bad Idea.




However, if we look at the beth din, or the Christian court's, we don't see them being used as precedent for more Faith Based Law's. If you wanted to implement faith based law's in the UK, you need mearly to form a political party, or join your own. If Muslim's managed to unite behind one candidate and decided to vote him into power, at current population growth rates, it's what 30 odd years untill they could? unless everyone else united to vote someone else in?

Fortunately, most Muslim's don't want to live under sharia law.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:09 am
by the_alias
BoneDoc wrote:At the moment it's only used in Civil cases and not criminal ones and then both parties must consent to being tried by a sharia court.
This still presents plenty of problems
The Times wrote:Rulings issued by a network of five sharia courts are enforceable with the full power of the judicial system, through the county courts or High Court.

Previously, the rulings of sharia courts in Britain could not be enforced, and depended on voluntary compliance among Muslims.

There are concerns that women who agree to go to tribunal courts are getting worse deals because Islamic law favours men
What if one person decides to change their faith after the ruling? How old does one have to be to actually understand the implications of being tried under sharia law? 13? 15?

Its worrying stuff.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:11 am
by NORTHERN RAIDER
Ad'lan wrote: However, if we look at the beth din, or the Christian court's, we don't see them being used as precedent for more Faith Based Law's. If you wanted to implement faith based law's in the UK, you need mearly to form a political party, or join your own. If Muslim's managed to unite behind one candidate and decided to vote him into power, at current population growth rates, it's what 30 odd years untill they could? unless everyone else united to vote someone else in?

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Yet while we appease an ever more militant islam in the UK, including allowing extremists who preach hatred towards the west,to remain, many living on state benefits, We are deporting our loyal and brave Gurka veterans back to Nepal after they have served with honour in our forces.
I and an Englishman and an army veteran with over 20 years service, and I am utterly ashamed to be British :( . It is a matter of survivalism to acknowledge that the current regime in the UK is utterly hostile to the traditional British way of life, we must prepare I feel for more extremmist acts by a certain ethnic group who are gaining an unfair advantage in the UK.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:14 am
by NORTHERN RAIDER
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What if one person decides to change their faith after the ruling? How old does one have to be to actually understand the implications of being tried under sharia law? 13? 15?

Its worrying stuff.[/quote]


Oh thats very clear, there was a TV documentary about this on channel 4 last week, They filmed various musil clerics (Immans etc) preaching that any muslim leaving their faith must be killed.

Theres more than a few muslim girls in the UK who have lost their lives in recent years because they have wanted to date none muslims.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:21 am
by Ad'lan
the_alias wrote:What if one person decides to change their faith after the ruling? How old does one have to be to actually understand the implications of being tried under sharia law? 13? 15?

Its worrying stuff.
The second I don't know, but for now, once you agree, you agree, dosn't matter if you change your faith later.

Except, of course, to the Sharia Court, which will be very biased against you if it comes back to them, what with you being an infidel and all now.



I would like to go on a rant about why arn't we worried about the elesiastical court's and the beth din?

But I won't, cos It'd break the rules.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:26 am
by the_alias
NORTHERN RAIDER wrote:

What if one person decides to change their faith after the ruling? How old does one have to be to actually understand the implications of being tried under sharia law? 13? 15?

Its worrying stuff.

Oh thats very clear, there was a TV documentary about this on channel 4 last week, They filmed various musil clerics (Immans etc) preaching that any muslim leaving their faith must be killed.

Theres more than a few muslim girls in the UK who have lost their lives in recent years because they have wanted to date none muslims.
Oh I am well aware of these facts, was just using a hammer instead of a sledge hammer ;) :lol:
but for now, once you agree, you agree, dosn't matter if you change your faith later.
Which is terrible, my mind is free to me, I can change my beliefs as should other people. A faith based legal system does not take this into account!

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 3:30 am
by NORTHERN RAIDER
Ad'lan wrote:[
I would like to go on a rant about why arn't we worried about the elesiastical court's and the beth din?

But I won't, cos It'd break the rules.
Possibly because the C of E and Jewish communities have no desire to destroy or change our culture from its normal north european roots, I have yet to see a Vicar, or Father, Pastor, or whatever the jewish dudes are called campaign for a holy way against western society. Judaism, Christianity, Buddism, Sikhism, Jedi Knights, Hari Krishnans etc are not a clear and present threat to our way of life, Sadly extreme Islam very much is.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 4:58 am
by Ad'lan
And Now I've broken the rule's, replying to that post. PM sent instead.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 6:57 am
by andygates
I did a little digging and in fact, sharia-based arbitration's been around as long as we've had Muslim communities, so this is even less of a story than it looks.

Those beth din arbitration arrangements, for example, have been ruling on contracts in a way that us goyim wouldn't grasp or agree, but all within the context of the law.

So, we have arbitration groups for various faiths, and none of them override the law of the land. We've had 'em for some time. That's the facts.

Anything more is political opinion and I think this thread is heading for a lock if it continues thus.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 9:07 am
by crypto
Czechnology wrote:
crypto wrote:
JägerZ wrote:It's big enough, IMHO. I'm afraid that the British Govt has completely gone round the bend.
This is what drove you over the edge? You must have missed the whole pointy knives thing.
Yeah I was going to say, "How did this come as a surprise to you?"
People said the same thing when the Mayflower GTFO of the UK.

Re: Sharia in Britain?!

Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2008 11:16 am
by llivne
here in Israel there is something similar (only according to Jewish religion instead of Muslim one) on certain civilian cases (such as divorce), so i know what I'm talking about when i say no good will come of this.