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Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by kzu750 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:01 pm

Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by Ellie With An Axe » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:08 pm

kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400
I'm not sure who "we" is. Are you in the US? If so, do you think the US government is going to collapse "soon" because of food riots?

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Post by shenkhu » Sun Apr 13, 2008 3:13 pm

lots of countries are gonna collapse before US and canada, but, if the situation is not corrected pretty soon, this can become nasty for a lot of peoples... i would advise more food preparation before / if this hits the fan.
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Post by andygates » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 pm

It's a global phenom, I'm guessing it hit Haiti first because the gov and the people are all dirt-poor. I might just stock up my store cupboard this month.
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Post by RebelKangaroo » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:42 pm

That's pretty sensationalist. You and the article make it sound like there's absolute anarchy in Haiti right now. And yes, there's rioting, but the only falling the government did was get rid of the Prime Minister and his cabinet it looks like. That's not the end of the world for a parliamentary government.

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Post by Moana Drifter » Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:44 pm

I sense a bit of American/British terminology confusion. In the US, the "government" refers to our entire system of government, in the Westminister system, it simply refers to the party in power. To us Americans, the title of the article makes it sound like the central authority for the entire country was overthrown, when in fact all that happened was they chose a different prime minister. In a similar sense, one could say that the US "government" fell when the Democrats took control of the House and Senate.

Edit: looks like Rebel Kangaroo beat me to it.

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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by BeerandGuns » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:08 pm

kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by kzu750 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:42 pm

BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL

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Post by stimpy321972 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 5:57 pm

The haitian government in parts or in entirety has fallen more times than the panties on a dutch window girl. Either on their own or with the help of outsiders (read: usa).
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by BeerandGuns » Sun Apr 13, 2008 6:31 pm

kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL
Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by kzu750 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:18 pm

BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL
Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
Aren't you in liousianna?

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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by BeerandGuns » Sun Apr 13, 2008 7:44 pm

kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote: Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL

Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
Aren't you in liousianna?
No.
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by kzu750 » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:29 pm

BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote: Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL

Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
Aren't you in liousianna?
No.
Sorry my mistake, carry on.

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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by 19kilo » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:21 am

kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
Aren't you in liousianna?
No.
Sorry my mistake, carry on.


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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by ZScott » Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:52 am

kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
:roll: That is not going to happen, even soon. :roll:
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Post by Cymro » Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:04 am

Haiti's political system's been teetering for years--and that's only the most recent round of unpleasantness down there.

They've been unstable more or less since Independence. They've got a host of environmental and societal problems as a result. Food riots and governmental instability in Haiti don't necessarily. foreshadow problems for the US or anywhere else...even the Dominican Republic, which is pretty much as close to Haiti as two countries can be.
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by Ellie With An Axe » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:37 am

BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
BeerandGuns wrote:
kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Obviously since the US and Haiti are so similar, it's due here(United States) any day.
Yup and it will make your little Catrina look like a walk in the pond LOL
Who is this Catrina person and why is she walking in a pond? Is she going to cause the looming food shortages? I'm very confused.
Maybe he meant Katrina and the Waves... although I think she's walking on sunshine...

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Post by Brianww2e45 » Mon Apr 14, 2008 11:50 am

All jokes aside, these sorts of shortages effect everyone, and while I don't look to see Washington in flames any time soon, food shortages are one of the number one causes of uprisings, regardless of their scale.

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Post by andygates » Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:02 pm

Brianww2e45 wrote:All jokes aside, these sorts of shortages effect everyone, and while I don't look to see Washington in flames any time soon, food shortages are one of the number one causes of uprisings, regardless of their scale.
"Rising food prices could threaten political stability around the world, the UN's leading humanitarian official said yesterday.

Sir John Holmes, the undersecretary general for humanitarian affairs and the UN's emergency relief co-ordinator, was speaking after two days of rioting in Egypt over the soaring cost of basic foodstuffs.

He told a conference in Dubai that rising prices would spark unrest across vulnerable nations. Average prices have risen 40 per cent across the world in less than a year.
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Sir John said: "The security implications should also not be underestimated as food riots are already being reported across the globe.

"Current food price trends are likely to increase sharply both the incidence and depth of food insecurity."

As well as the riots in Egypt, rising food costs have been blamed for violent unrest in Haiti, Ivory Coast, Cameroon, Mauritania, Mozambique and Senegal. Protests have also occurred in Uzbekistan, Yemen, Bolivia and Indonesia.

China, India, Pakistan, Cambodia and Vietnam have curbed rice exports to ensure there is enough for their own people."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jh ... ots109.xml

This is more than "those crazy Haitians and their crazy fall-down-again government" for sure.

"Let them eat cake" sparked the French Revolution...
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by LittleTeapot » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:00 pm

kzu750 wrote:Oh boy... are we (United States) next? Not likely right now but soon...

http://www.reuters.com/article/homepage ... ._CH_.2400

Edit: So people actually know where "we" is :)
Soon?

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Post by SSgtMobley » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:22 pm

andygates wrote: "Let them eat cake" sparked the French Revolution...
While it may have been a catch phrase used to associate the disdain of the Nobility and Royalty (and Aristocracy) of the "common man", food shortages were only a small part of the overall cause of the French Revolution.

Louis XV fought many wars and pushed France to the verge of bankruptcy.

Louis XVI brought the country into even worse debt by financially supporting the American Revolution (which I find an irony as this lead to his own fall in a similar revolution).

The financial model for France at the time resulted in serious overtaxation without equivalant social care (particularly among war veterans) in return. This soured the taste of the people to the government stealing their incomes (common people making an actual wage was a fairly new thing then).

Unemployment had skyrocketed and bread prices were very high.

While the country was able to produce plenty of food to support the populace, the transportation infrastructure of France was poor and could not get the goods to those who needed them before they were ruined. Thus, rich farmland owners and the associated nobility were well fed while the common city resident was starving. This created a "social class" problem.

People were getting fed up with the royals having absolute power with practically no representation for the common man.

Merchants looked at the rest of Europe and America and saw how much socio-political power their peers had in these areas compared to them and they desired more. This also drove a schizm between the common man and the royal.

A desire for Freedom of Religion (and a desire to see Clergy NOT treated as Nobles) created a resentment to the Catholic church which had a major hand in national affairs. Most of the population was Protestant.

Anger toward the King for firing two men as advisors. Jacques Necker and A.R.J. Turgot were seen as speaking for the people on financial matters to the king.

Most of my sources are from wiki, but I remember them from World History as well. I paraphrased what was in Wiki both for length but also for clarification based on my memory of my education.

Simply put food shortages aren't a Primary Cause for a revolution in France, Haiti, or anywhere else. They are, possibly, a "last straw" in nations already problemed. But they aren't as major a concern as all that on their own.
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Re: Haiti's government falls after food riots!

Post by raptor » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:23 pm

19kilo wrote:
kzu750 wrote:
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kzu750 wrote: Aren't you in liousianna?
No.
Sorry my mistake, carry on.


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Post by Cymro » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:39 pm

While soaring food prices are a concern--we have several threads about that going right now--I think most of the responses to this thread had to do with the implications that A) Haiti as a nation-state had collapsed due to a food crisis, and B) That it was a matter of time before that instability spread to the US.

Neither of these is true. Haiti underwent a change of government, as per the rules of a parliamentary system. As discussed, Haiti's been unstable for a long, long time, and as such tends to feel tremors in the global system a long time before anyone else does. Ecologically, the country's devastated, with massive deforestation and topsoil loss. Haiti is, I believe, massively reliant on food imports and foreign aide to feed itself.

As for the possibility of a collapse in the first world: We're no-where close to that yet. I don't want to rule anything out (there's a reason I post here), but right now the folks I talk to who deal with food aid are worried about losing ground to poverty/desertification/hunger in the developing world, rather than nation-states collapsing.

This may change, and a lot's going to depend on how things shape up over the next year, but for now the original post is very misleading.

SSgtMobley, that was a mighty fine summation of the causes of the French Revolution.
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Post by SSgtMobley » Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:58 pm

Cymro wrote:
SSgtMobley, that was a mighty fine summation of the causes of the French Revolution.
Although I feel there are several parallels between the Pre-Revolutionary state of France and modern America, I was going to refrain from identifying them specifically at risk of sounding political.

But that being said, even with the parallels I feel that do exist, I don't think they are even a fraction in comparison to what they were in France at the time.

Could we go that far? I think so, given time. Are we likely too? We'll see after the next elections of both President and Congress. Unfortunately, my jaded view of both parties at this time doesn't lend me too much hope in either case. But I do believe regardless of who takes power this November-Janurary timeframe, they can't do enough damage that it can't be repaired after their terms are up.
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