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10 People Killed In Texas High School Shooting; Suspect In Custody

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Post by flybynight » Sat May 19, 2018 9:07 am

I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
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flybynight wrote:I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
NPR has been updating this story on their website & I think it was there that I read something about a trechcoat.

I think. :?:

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flybynight wrote:I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
NPR has been updating this story on their website & I think it was there that I read something about a trechcoat.

I think. :?:


trench coat in 87 degree temps ? Is that a thing on high school campuses? He blended in with the rest of the trench coat wearing students sweating away in the warm weather? I worked in retail for years and out of place or bulky clothing was always an indicator for something hidden. Heck even now someone wearing a coat in warmer weather causes me to observe for where they probally are concealing a weapon and if they are a threat or iffy or off
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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by MPMalloy » Sat May 19, 2018 5:06 pm

From NPR: What We Know About The Alleged Texas High School Shooter
May 19, 20181:27 PM ET By Samantha Raphelson & Brakkton Booker

Updated at 2:12 p.m. ET

The 17-year-old who is accused of opening fire at a Texas high school on Friday, killing at least 10 people and wounding 13 others, has been charged with capital murder and aggravated assault.

Dimitrios Pagourtzis is being held at Galveston County Jail with no bond, according to a tweet by the Santa Fe Independent School District, and has been speaking to investigators. Officials have not released a motive, but some information about the suspect and the attack is emerging.

It appears the shooting rampage at Santa Fe High School was planned. During a Friday press conference, Gov. Greg Abbott said information contained in journals on the suspect's computer and cellphone suggested that "not only did he want to commit the shooting, but he wanted to commit suicide after the shooting."

The suspect, however, gave himself up because he "didn't have the courage" to follow through with taking his own life, Abbott said.

While the evidence points to a planned attack, students who knew the suspect provided an inconsistent description of their classmate.

Tyler Ray, an 18-year-old senior, played football for the Sante Fe Indians with the suspect, who was a defensive tackle on the junior varsity team. At a vigil for the victims in the center of Santa Fe on Friday night, Ray told NPR's John Burnett that he would have never suspected his former teammate is capable of a mass shooting — he was just joking with the suspect on a field trip to a Galveston water park on Thursday, the day before the massacre.

"One day you think you know this kid, you think you can hang out with him, you can joke with him," Ray said. "And the next day, he's shootin' up the school. You just never know."

But Lauren Severin, a 17-year-old junior wearing a cross around her neck, told Burnett that her impression of the suspect was very different after having a couple classes with him. She said she thinks he was bullied in school because he was different.

"I don't think he was normal," she said. "I think he was really strange and quiet. I wasn't surprised when I heard it was him. ... He always wears this weird trench coat and kind of looks like a psychopath."

The weapons used in the attack — a shotgun and a .38-caliber revolver — were not "legally possessed" by the suspect, but appear to be legally owned by his father, who was not named by authorities. It was unclear whether the father was aware his son had the weapons.

On Friday, there were reports of possible explosive devices at the school, at the suspect's home and in a vehicle, according to officials. All but one of those devices were found to be fake. Galveston County Judge Mark Henry said Saturday that police found carbon dioxide canisters taped together and a pressure cooker with an alarm clock and nails inside at the high school, but the devices weren't capable of detonating.

Students who knew Dimitrios Pagourtzis provided an inconsistent description of their classmate. One said he never would have suspected, while another said, "I wasn't surprised when I heard it was him."

Authorities say the suspect has provided a statement to police while in custody, telling investigators that he didn't shoot his classmates whom he liked "so he could have his story told," the AP reports.

The governor said there is nothing at this time that would indicate there were missed warning signs, as in the case of Devin Patrick Kelley, who killed 26 at a Sutherland Springs, Texas, church in November 2017, or Nikolas Cruz, who is charged with killing 17 people at a Parkland, Fla., high school in February.

"One of the frustrating things in the early status of this case is that unlike Parkland, unlike Sutherland Springs, there weren't those kinds of warning signs," Abbott said "Here the red flag warnings were either nonexistent or very imperceptible."

Facebook posts allegedly linked to Pagourtzis show a black T-shirt with the words "Born to Kill" in white block letters written across the front. Authorities say he had no prior confrontations with law enforcement and has no past criminal history.

Attorneys Nicholas Poehl and Robert Barfield, who were hired by the suspect's parents to represent him in court, are urging the public not to rush to judgment.

"I think every parent instinctively knows they don't know everything about their kids, but when you find out something like this today, it's extremely hard," Poehl told Houston TV station KTRK. "To those out there watching, try to remember these people are victims too, they didn't know and they didn't expect, and they certainly couldn't have predicted [the shooting]. Prayers to everyone in this whole mess."

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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by flybynight » Sat May 19, 2018 8:58 pm

Axuthorities say the suspect has provided a statement to police while in custody, telling investigators that he didn't shoot his classmates whom he liked "so he could have his story told," the AP reports.
His story? What story? Psycho pussy?
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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by MPMalloy » Sat May 19, 2018 9:20 pm

When I went to school, I never worried for a second that someone would shoot the school up.

I don't understand this. :(

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Post by woodsghost » Sat May 19, 2018 9:39 pm

flybynight wrote:
Axuthorities say the suspect has provided a statement to police while in custody, telling investigators that he didn't shoot his classmates whom he liked "so he could have his story told," the AP reports.
His story? What story? Pysco pussy?
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Post by MPMalloy » Sun May 20, 2018 8:02 am

From NPR: After Texas High School Shooting, A Community Grieves
May 19, 201810:13 PM ET By Travis Bubenik Via Houston Public Media News 88.7

In Texas, students are returning to Santa Fe High School to gather their belongings, a day after a shooting that killed 10 people and injured 13 others.

One by one, police escorted the students back into the classrooms they fled when the shooting started. Some returned to pick up their cars.

Republican Congressman Randy Weber, whose district includes Santa Fe, told reporters the shooting was the second tragedy this small community has experienced in less than a year.

"We had Hurricane Harvey end of last August, and now this," Weber said with a sigh. "We will pull together, we will grieve together, we will love one another, we'll work together."

School district officials said students and staff will need support as they process their emotions from the tragedy. They asked for prayers, and for the public to give the victims and their families privacy as they mourn.

Officials said they couldn't discuss the ongoing investigation into the shooting, but Santa Fe I.S.D. (Independent School District) Police Chief Walter Braun recounted how two officers engaged the suspected shooter "right away."

"Our officers went in there and did what they could," he said. "They did what they're trained for and went in immediately."

Braun said his officers have been "resilient" throughout the ordeal. "I don't think it's really sunk in yet, as to allowing the emotions to take control," he said.

Santa Fe Independent School District says all schools will be closed through at least Tuesday. Meanwhile, part of Santa Fe High School remains off-limits because of the investigation. The American Red Cross has set up a local crisis center for families and students that need emotional help, food and other services.

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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by Stercutus » Mon May 21, 2018 5:29 am

Interesting. This is the first school shooter in the last 25 years that I know of that was a member of a church. There may have been others just don't know of any.
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Re: school shooting in Texas,

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Don't know if there is any relevance of this to the shooting

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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by emclean » Mon May 21, 2018 8:25 am

flybynight wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
flybynight wrote:I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
NPR has been updating this story on their website & I think it was there that I read something about a trechcoat.

I think. :?:


trench coat in 87 degree temps ? Is that a thing on high school campuses? He blended in with the rest of the trench coat wearing students sweating away in the warm weather? I worked in retail for years and out of place or bulky clothing was always an indicator for something hidden. Heck even now someone wearing a coat in warmer weather causes me to observe for where they probally are concealing a weapon and if they are a threat or iffy or off
fashion. just like you see the girls wearing short skirts in the middle of winter, with open towed shoes, or the guys wearing shorts in freezing weather.
back in high school I wore a blue jean jacket year round. kids do dumb things that they think look cool.

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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by MPMalloy » Mon May 21, 2018 8:29 am

emclean wrote:Fashion. just like you see the girls wearing short skirts in the middle of winter, with open towed shoes, or the guys wearing shorts in freezing weather. back in high school I wore a blue jean jacket year round. kids do dumb things that they think look cool.
Yup. I see carrying over into adulthood all the time.

What kind of shotgun was this. Full length? A 'crusier' model?

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emclean wrote:
flybynight wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
flybynight wrote:I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
NPR has been updating this story on their website & I think it was there that I read something about a trechcoat.

I think. :?:


trench coat in 87 degree temps ? Is that a thing on high school campuses? He blended in with the rest of the trench coat wearing students sweating away in the warm weather? I worked in retail for years and out of place or bulky clothing was always an indicator for something hidden. Heck even now someone wearing a coat in warmer weather causes me to observe for where they probally are concealing a weapon and if they are a threat or iffy or off
fashion. just like you see the girls wearing short skirts in the middle of winter, with open towed shoes, or the guys wearing shorts in freezing weather.
back in high school I wore a blue jean jacket year round. kids do dumb things that they think look cool.
So 10 people are fashionably dead ? This country better get serious about the security of it's schools. I've been hearing that there were 14 entries to the school , but only 6 were secured with school employees. The rest anyone could just walk in. Has anyone else heard this?
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flybynight wrote:
MPMalloy wrote:
flybynight wrote:I'm waiting for the synopsis of how this played out because as horrible as the event is , as a prepper I want to know how this kid could grey man a shotgun into a secured building of a institution that this very type of event is on the front burner across the entire nation.
NPR has been updating this story on their website & I think it was there that I read something about a trechcoat.

I think. :?:


trench coat in 87 degree temps ? Is that a thing on high school campuses? He blended in with the rest of the trench coat wearing students sweating away in the warm weather? I worked in retail for years and out of place or bulky clothing was always an indicator for something hidden. Heck even now someone wearing a coat in warmer weather causes me to observe for where they probally are concealing a weapon and if they are a threat or iffy or off
It wasn't that he "blended in with the rest of the trench coat wearing students", it was that he himself have been seen in a trenchcoat. I don't know how often, but apparently enough to be a normal occurrence for him. In retail, if you had a regular that wore bulky clothing for years and never stole anything, would you notice that on one random day that his intentions had somehow changed and he now will steal?

Anecdote regarding normalization: not a coat, but I had one guy I played tennis with regularly at the park. I didn't know him outside of the park (we'd bump into each other while there and then play a friendly match sometimes), but he always wore a turtleneck. Damnedest thing. He'd squish up his sleeves if it got hot, but damn if his neck ever saw daylight. You'd look at him funny the first few times, but, hey, he seemed well adjusted and played a mean game, so then you tell yourself 'i wouldn't wear that, but more power to him.' I'd imagine I'd have the same reaction if he played in a coat. After two years of friendly rivalry, I'm not going to suddenly think 'aw crap, today's the day he shoots me.'


Scott Pearson, whose son played football with Pagourtzis, described him as a quiet, normal kid. He didn’t talk to him much when he took him home from football practices, but he never got the impression that he was dangerous. He noticed that Pagourtzis regularly wore a trench coat but didn’t think much of it.
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Post by woodsghost » Mon May 21, 2018 7:48 pm

@FBN,

You asked about how well the schools were secured? I don't the exact number, but only a few have mentioned having SROs, and none have mentioned having metal detectors. It seems to me we need some "common sense school security." But what I consistently read is school administrators do not want schools to resemble "prisons" and constantly resist efforts to install metal detectors, SROs, and students often resist efforts to use clear back packs.

I have some rather mean things to say about what school administrators would rather their schools look like, and what they could put on school uniforms, but at the end of the day, I just hope people start realizing there are hurting people out there and they don't need to make the situation worse. A lot can be done, but people don't want to seem like they "need to have something done." FYI, suicide rates are getting a bit ridiculous, but schools don't want it to seem like they have a problem, so they keep mental health professionals out. It is more important to keep up appearances than deal with problems.
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Post by Stercutus » Mon May 21, 2018 8:28 pm

Teen suicide rates are still well below mid 90s levels. I don't know what the right numbers are in that regard.


The problem with putting in metal detectors is they tend to give a false sense of security and require a bit of labor to run.
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Post by woodsghost » Mon May 21, 2018 10:02 pm

Stercutus wrote:Teen suicide rates are still well below mid 90s levels. I don't know what the right numbers are in that regard.


The problem with putting in metal detectors is they tend to give a false sense of security and require a bit of labor to run.
Thanks for the feedback. Locally, teen suicide is way way up. As you said, national rates are lower, but increasing.

Metal dectors: I understand they take staff to man. The cost is frustrating. The alternative is worse, IMO.
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Post by ZombieGranny » Mon May 21, 2018 11:09 pm

The problem is certainly not easier access to weapons...
We used to take our guns to school, leave them at the teachers' desks and shoot "for the stewpot" on the way home.
We also often had shooting contests at recess. (Yes, with live ammunition.)
That's where I learned to throw a knife, too.

Of course, there were a lot more fistfights back then. Perhaps they did that instead.
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Post by RonnyRonin » Mon May 21, 2018 11:59 pm

would metal detectors have made a difference in any of the recent school shootings? I'm not intimately aware of the timelines but I can't imagine starting shooting just outside a metal detector would make much difference compared to smuggling the weapon in. Do most shootings involve gaining entry before shooting?

In my mind more metal detectors seems as much a reactionary band-aid as many of the other solutions, they simply invite innovation to circumvent without making any inroads on the root causes. I don't think I've met a highschool student that couldn't figure out how to get past a metal detector if they really wanted to.


I went to a very lenient school where students where treated like they generally did the right thing; I had a switchblade impounded with little more then an eye roll. I didn't think about it at the time but I'm sure I underestimated how this general treatment probably affected my overall view of authority; that if you were a good kid every little thing you did wouldn't be met with panic and suspicion. Whether drastically increased security at schools is warranted (I could be convinced) I do wonder how being funneled through checkpoints and generally viewed with suspicion 5 days a week will change future generations perspective on authority, and how it will change their tolerance levels for more pervasive, daily security measures in all areas of life. If bag and locker searches become normal and necessary, what will the national perspective on the 4th amendment be in half a generation? It could all very well be worth it, but I ponder the consequences.

A friend of mine in the mental health field said it better then I can when writing about school violence: "Like any cultural epidemic, such as poverty or transgenerational sexual abuse, contemplating a cure requires a timeline measured in generations."
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Post by Stercutus » Tue May 22, 2018 2:25 pm

"Like any cultural epidemic, such as poverty or transgenerational sexual abuse, contemplating a cure requires a timeline measured in generations."

Here is a list going back to the 1700s in the US:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_s ... ted_States

Interesting fact there was only one school shooting in the country during the US involvement in WWII
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Post by raptor » Tue May 22, 2018 2:38 pm

ZombieGranny wrote:The problem is certainly not easier access to weapons...
We used to take our guns to school, leave them at the teachers' desks and shoot "for the stewpot" on the way home.
I went to a military school we were issued firearms at the armory daily. :lol:

Yes they were dummy drill weapons but can you imagine doing either of these today?

Back on topic.

IMO there is a lot to the argument of media fostering copy cats by publicizing and glamorizing the killers.

This article from 2012 basically expresses my sentiments on the subject:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog ... -shootings
They did exactly what was needed to influence the next perpetrator to lock and load.
1. They named the shooter.
2. They described his characteristics.
3. They detailed the crime.
4. They numbered the victims.
5. They ranked him against other “successful” attackers.

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Re: school shooting in Texas,

Post by Stercutus » Tue May 22, 2018 3:42 pm

raptor wrote:
I went to a military school we were issued firearms at the armory daily. :lol:
VMI still issues M14s that the cadets keep in their rooms. They only thing they lack is a firing pin. Otherwise the weapon is fully functioning.
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