AIM TO THE BRAIN!! ok but where ?

[g1zm0]

T-Box shots, thats what the Corps teaches to instantly kill an enemy.


the T-box goes right across the eyes

[azrael99]

that look like a really awesome target there,
you can probably superpose a zombie image on that target pattern.

[g1zm0]

T-Box shots, thats what the Corps teaches to instantly kill an enemy.




the T-box goes right across the eyes

[teoami]

I would like to throw my 2 cents in.

I honestly thing that a shot anywhere in the brain is going to be a "re-kill" shot. My reasoning is that the pressure/percussion force will do all the damage needed for you. The kinetic energy transferring from the bullet to the brain will ripple though the soft tissue wreaking havoc upon what ever is actually causing the reanimation.

By the way, I am of the mind set that if a Z-poc were to occur, it would be caused by a virus inhabiting the brain and controlling part of its functions. The cell walls of a virus would most likely not be able to survive the percussion force of a bullet entering any part of the brain. If it did survive, the tissue it is manipulating would be destroyed anyway.

Obviously, this all depends on the caliber you are using and its kinetic energy.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

I would like to throw my 2 cents in.

I honestly thing that a shot anywhere in the brain is going to be a "re-kill" shot. My reasoning is that the pressure/percussion force will do all the damage needed for you. The kinetic energy transferring from the bullet to the brain will ripple though the soft tissue wreaking havoc upon what ever is actually causing the reanimation.

By the way, I am of the mind set that if a Z-poc were to occur, it would be caused by a virus inhabiting the brain and controlling part of its functions. The cell walls of a virus would most likely not be able to survive the percussion force of a bullet entering any part of the brain. If it did survive, the tissue it is manipulating would be destroyed anyway.

Obviously, this all depends on the caliber you are using and its kinetic energy.

Negative ghostrider. I haven't found the police report in years, but feel free to google any number of people who have bee shot in the noggin and survived long enough to go after the shooter. Calibers range from .22LR to a 12ga slug.

See basic combat marksmanship: all hits count, but GOOD hits count double. Bad hits usually just mean that your bullet didn't fly off and hit someone else. In a headshot-only scenario, you still have a target to hit.

[azrael99]

we now know where to aim while facing a zombie

but now, where to shoot while facing the side ? or the rear ? is there anatomically part where we can aim ? like the side, i think if you aim at the canal of the ear it should go right to the thalamus , if i know my anatomy correctly

[Malleolus]

The idea is to keep the brain from transmitting signals to the rest of the body, so if you can sever it at the brain stem or higher then you're good. In this particular situation, I personally would go with a heavier caliber because you're safer that way. Entry wound is not the idea you're looking for, you are wanting damage across the path of travel and then a massive exit wound. You're more likely to get a killing blow this way, but actually a little behind the ear, but that'll work.

[azrael99]

not as much heavier caliber, but choice of ammo. the hollow point would be the norm i think . except if you are facing a swat member, a football player, a soldier in full gear who were bitten there would not be so much zombie with helmet and/or armor, so penetration would not be really important.

http://www.ignatius-piazza-front-sight. ... arison.jpg
http://rkba.org/research/fackler/figure1.gif

[azrael99]

well, i worked on a visual reference of what was talked here

so i wish it will look good

[azrael99]

so i found a article about what we where talking that confirm our first theory

The Science of Head Hits: The Frontal Lobe

Dr. Steven Schlozman, has written extensively about the brain function of undead zombies (as opposed to voodoo victim zombies). He's co-director of Medical Student Education in Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and, much more importantly, on the advisory board of the Zombie Research Society.

His self-appointed mission is to use zombie fiction to help teach people about the way the human brain works. One of the useful points he makes is that, contrary to the idea that the brain stem (medulla oblongata) must be destroyed in order to destroy a zombie, their behavior indicates that several parts of their brains are still functioning in a coordinated way. They hear noise, stagger toward it and attack the target on sight. These are sure signs that the zombie frontal lobe is active enough to process sensory input through the thalamus. Of course, the frontal lobe must be damaged because the zombie acts on base impulses, like pursuing and eating other people. Other brain damage accounts for the lack of motor coordination and general poor manners.

The good news here for zombie apocalypse survivors­—and defenders of the logic of zombie shows—is that damage to other parts of the brain could put a zombie down for good. So any nitpicking over the effectiveness of arrows and blunt instruments to destroy the undead could be unfounded. That's not to say that these weapons are better than a firearm. Guns are the best brain destroyers out there, but there's more than meets the eye there, as well. Many parts of the brain can take damage while the body stays functional.

So the last stop of a zombie headshot enthusiast (with plenty of free time) must be forensics journals. It turns out there are three kinds of people who are keenly interested in the way gunshots can lead to "immediate incapacitation": police accused over pulling the trigger too many times, military snipers and zombie genre nuts. In most zombie-scenarios a wounded zombie still poses a massive danger and ammunition is likely in short supply, so knowing what part of the brain needs to be destroyed to prompt an immediate shut-down is useful. In this, the 1995 study "Penetrating gunshots to the head and lack of immediate incapacitation" by German researcher B.L. Karger is required reading. As is "Forensic neuropathology: a practical review of the fundamentals" by Hideo Itabashi.

Karger lays down the basics ("immediate incapacitation is possible following cranio-cerebral gunshot wounds or wounds that disrupt the upper cervical spinal cord only") and Itabashi backs the conclusions with specifics, and nauseating color photos. Itabashi says that immediate incapacitation is "very likely" in head shots by a rifle or shotgun at close range, or handguns with calibers larger than 9mm. Nothing too surprising there, but the locations of the wounds is of interest to zombie hunters. Itabashi says that hitting the brain stem or severing the spinal column between the second and third thoracic vertebrae (in the neck) will produce an instant kill, which follows the canon of typical zombie scripts. But he also includes a third location in the brain as a place where damage results in immediate incapacitation—and it's located frontal lobe. The primary motor cortex exists on both sides of the brain. It sends signals, via neurons, to the muscles of the body. Destroy this and you have a harmless zombie

Read more: Walking Dead Headshot Fact Check - How to Kill Zombies - Popular Mechanics

[SeaDog]

Best way to make sure you take zed out is to either use a weapon that will destroy the whole brain (suck as a shotgun) or use a .22 so the bullet will bounce around in the cranial vault and do massive damage.

[azrael99]

Best way to make sure you take zed out is to either use a weapon that will destroy the whole brain (suck as a shotgun) or use a .22 so the bullet will bounce around in the cranial vault and do massive damage.

you know, i would not count on the "bouncing" capacity of the .22. i do not underestimate the .22 but you are. the .22 can go through the head without bouncing.

this is what happen with .22
(i agree it's not the best video around)


and the disadvantage of the 12ga is that , if you want to keep that splashing power you must shoot at least than 20 feets. and that too damn close for me.

[Dirty Bill]

Draw an imaginary triangle from the corners of the mouth to the center of the fore head. It has been proven in combat. You just have to be able to hit it...

[azrael99]

Draw an imaginary triangle from the corners of the mouth to the center of the fore head. It has been proven in combat. You just have to be able to hit it...

basically what i did

well, i worked on a visual reference of what was talked here

so i wish it will look good

[Dirty Bill]

I had a triangle drawn there...WTF???

[engr-rn]

I would like to throw my 2 cents in.

I honestly thing that a shot anywhere in the brain is going to be a "re-kill" shot. My reasoning is that the pressure/percussion force will do all the damage needed for you. The kinetic energy transferring from the bullet to the brain will ripple though the soft tissue wreaking havoc upon what ever is actually causing the reanimation.

By the way, I am of the mind set that if a Z-poc were to occur, it would be caused by a virus inhabiting the brain and controlling part of its functions. The cell walls of a virus would most likely not be able to survive the percussion force of a bullet entering any part of the brain. If it did survive, the tissue it is manipulating would be destroyed anyway.

Obviously, this all depends on the caliber you are using and its kinetic energy.

Agree. The Brain is probably chosen as a host area by the virus/parasite because of its protected nature. Ours brains are surrounded by protective fluids, membranes, and then of course the skull. Breaching this protection would permit release of the cerebro-spinal fluid which is neccessary for transmission of electrical activity, brain metabolism, etc. Basically a "dry" brain, or even one with significantly decreased pressure cannot function.

[lolinski]

I dont know about if this information is usefull: We ues 100% of our brain just not all the time just like when you drive a car you dont drive the max mph your car can muster. Since different parts of the brain do different things, similarily like a car, the AC cools down the passengers while the engine powers the wheels, while the lights show you the way and etc.


In short your brain uses different parts of it for different functions(so yeah we technicaly use 10-15% but nobody said wich 10-15%)

[velocity101]

Aim for the Medulla Oblongata. Which deals with autonomic/involuntary functions such as breathing, heart rate, etc. No zombie livin' without dat! lol.

[grennels]

I would like to throw my 2 cents in.

I honestly thing that a shot anywhere in the brain is going to be a "re-kill" shot. My reasoning is that the pressure/percussion force will do all the damage needed for you. The kinetic energy transferring from the bullet to the brain will ripple though the soft tissue wreaking havoc upon what ever is actually causing the reanimation.

By the way, I am of the mind set that if a Z-poc were to occur, it would be caused by a virus inhabiting the brain and controlling part of its functions. The cell walls of a virus would most likely not be able to survive the percussion force of a bullet entering any part of the brain. If it did survive, the tissue it is manipulating would be destroyed anyway.

Obviously, this all depends on the caliber you are using and its kinetic energy.

Negative ghostrider. I haven't found the police report in years, but feel free to google any number of people who have bee shot in the noggin and survived long enough to go after the shooter. Calibers range from .22LR to a 12ga slug.

See basic combat marksmanship: all hits count, but GOOD hits count double. Bad hits usually just mean that your bullet didn't fly off and hit someone else. In a headshot-only scenario, you still have a target to hit.

Like Gabby Gifford

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Or my dad, 9mm to the face from <2m. Survived with scarring, still able to fight. My buddy Joel, 7.62x54R to the head from 200m. Survived with minor facial paralysis and hearing loss, minimal scarring, still combat effective. Etc, etc.

[ODA 226]

At Mott Lake we were taught to aim for a two inch band across the eyes, but NOTHING is a sure one shot kill...EVER! Always be ready to execute followup shots until the threat is terminated.

[Jeriah]

Have we ever seen a case of a Zombie getting shot in the head, and NOT dieing?

Er, re-dieing.

I think the only example of this would be the "Reanimator" or "Braindead" style of zombies, where even individual body parts continued to move around and have independent will.

And in that case, well you're pretty much screwed regardless of where you aim

mystic_1

Return of the Living Dead, also. "You mean the movie lied?!"

[Lord Lav]

Have we ever seen a case of a Zombie getting shot in the head, and NOT dieing?

Er, re-dieing.

I think the only example of this would be the "Reanimator" or "Braindead" style of zombies, where even individual body parts continued to move around and have independent will.

And in that case, well you're pretty much screwed regardless of where you aim

mystic_1

I can't remember 100% but I think on the remake of the 'Resident Evil' game, some of the zombies would later come back as 'Crimsons' twice as freaky and twice as nasty despite them being killed by an initial headshot. I'd have to clarify that though.

[mystic_1]

Well, in that case, shooting them in the head STILL rekilled them, they were just rereanimated afterwards

Think of it as zombie recycling.

mystic_1