Shotgun or AR, Which Would You Choose?

[Bad Penny 08]

I shouldn't be derailing us from the fact the AR is superior in the Zombie-PAW to the shotgun.

[ApolloFrost]

I shouldn't be derailing us from the fact the AR is superior in the Zombie-PAW to the shotgun.

Pretty much.

[Bad Penny 08]

I shouldn't be derailing us from the fact the AR is superior in the Zombie-PAW to the shotgun.

Pretty much.

Ok, so which weapons systems have you tested?
What do you have to share?

[Regular Guy]

I'm going to test some rifle rd gel test this spring, if the range is back up. Anyway, I may try to get some bones and hides, just to spice things up.

[Bad Penny 08]

Better yet, ask the guys that insist on hunting elk how much of that 500lbs they can carry away and not waste?
Isn't the whole point of picking one weapon because you can't take any others due to weight restrictions because your traveling on foot, alone, or some such?
Other wise wouldn't some one else in your "squad" have something with more range and power than a 5.56 or 12ga?

If they are returning to their "camp" then what difference does it make? You can have 5 dif weapons there appropriate for whatever weight class you're hunting?
Or should you just grab a .308 bolt action upper for the AR15, or a broken down H&R single in .45-70 or some shit?

[CallMeBeans]

I would take a shotgun. I know everyone is saying they would take an AR, and there is nothing wrong with that, but personally, shotguns are my favorite. If you were in close-quarters with a zombie you would have time to aim at them with an AR, you want to shoot the hell out of them with a shotgun because with a shotgun at close-quarters with a zombie you don't have to aim, just shoot and you will at least hit the zombie unless you are using buck-shot, I lve both of these weapons, but my personal favorite is a shotgun.

[TDW586]

with a shotgun at close-quarters with a zombie you don't have to aim,.

Dude....dude, why? Why?

[MikeM]

with a shotgun at close-quarters with a zombie you don't have to aim,.

Dude....dude, why? Why?

Because the premier of "The Walking Dead" is going to be bringing in all the l33t zombie hunters, duh

[Nutpantz]

The only one who no longer has to aim is the one down to his last bullet and is sucking on the barrel.

I don't care how good you are at shooting from the hip you are better looking down the sights.

[Bad Penny 08]

Classic.

[Jeriah]

I recently watched Out Of The Wild: The Alaska Experiment, and in it, they had two rifles: a .22/.410 combo gun, and a "bear rifle" in a large caliber. They eventually ditched the bear rifle because they never had a good use for it. The .410 was what was putting meat in the pot, time and again. Ducks, squirrels, and ptarmigan.

On the other hand, they never got into a fight with bad guys shooting at 'em.

So to some extent I'd say it depends on how you envision the situation. More like Chris McCandless? I'd go shotgun. More like Hotel Rwanda? I'd go AR.

(I'm referring to what I'd CARRY, since I own both, assuming I didn't have a vehicle and so couldn't just bring 'em all.)

[Bad Penny 08]

Ptarmigan, it's what's for dinner.

[TDW586]

Seems like a .22 would do just as well on small game, with lighter and more compact ammo.

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[angelofwar]

Ideally I would have both, amd do actually, but, if I could only have one weapon, it would be an AR-15/M-16 with an 870 MCS attached to the bottom :0). In an urban environment, I'd want the boom stick...worst case you could always waot for the Zombies to come you and channel them into an area where the shot-gun would be more effective. Shotgun is the better survival weapon, imho. AF Pilots carry a .410 in their survival kit, as well as a 9mm or .38 revolver.

[AKFTW]

The answer is clear... underbarrel .410 on an AR

[angelofwar]

I was thinking more along of this...

[AUA]

I recently watched Out Of The Wild: The Alaska Experiment, and in it, they had two rifles: a .22/.410 combo gun, and a "bear rifle" in a large caliber. They eventually ditched the bear rifle because they never had a good use for it. The .410 was what was putting meat in the pot, time and again. Ducks, squirrels, and ptarmigan.

On the other hand, they never got into a fight with bad guys shooting at 'em.

So to some extent I'd say it depends on how you envision the situation. More like Chris McCandless? I'd go shotgun. More like Hotel Rwanda? I'd go AR.

(I'm referring to what I'd CARRY, since I own both, assuming I didn't have a vehicle and so couldn't just bring 'em all.)

Solution: carry a shotgun, but tie a Kel-Tec PLR-16 onto it with blue wire. Or carry an AR with a Taurus Judge tied onto it


Being serious, I would carry both a Marlin Golden 39A and an AR. I could put together the 39A after setting up camp (or at least setting down my ruck to hunt), but would have the AR on deck to deal with any larger prey or predators.

[Einher]

I recently watched Out Of The Wild: The Alaska Experiment, and in it, they had two rifles: a .22/.410 combo gun, and a "bear rifle" in a large caliber. They eventually ditched the bear rifle because they never had a good use for it. The .410 was what was putting meat in the pot, time and again. Ducks, squirrels, and ptarmigan.

On the other hand, they never got into a fight with bad guys shooting at 'em.

So to some extent I'd say it depends on how you envision the situation. More like Chris McCandless? I'd go shotgun. More like Hotel Rwanda? I'd go AR.

(I'm referring to what I'd CARRY, since I own both, assuming I didn't have a vehicle and so couldn't just bring 'em all.)

Solution: carry a shotgun, but tie a Kel-Tec PLR-16 onto it with blue wire. Or carry an AR with a Taurus Judge tied onto it

Being serious, I would carry both a Marlin Golden 39A and an AR. I could put together the 39A after setting up camp (or at least setting down my ruck to hunt), but would have the AR on deck to deal with any larger prey or predators.

If I had lottery/trust fund money to spend, AA-12 and FN-SCAR;
...but since I work for a living I'll stick with my Saiga-12 and AR-15 combo, with a side order of M1A.

Billy knows what I'm talking about;

Have my cake and eat it too!

[junkyard slave]

Shotgun, because they're best for making quick escapes. Barricaded in a house, surrounded by zombies? Blast a hole through their ranks and run through it before the gap closes, then fire shots behind you at hip-level as you run to hamper pursuit. Need to run through an area that has many scattered zombies? Pick the least zombie-infested path, start sprinting, and just blast any zombie that gets too close. You don't need to try and kill the zombies, just get em down long enough for you to boot it outta there. It's very difficult to get accurate shots with a rifle while running. You don't have time to stop or slow down enough to aim for a headshot. With a shotgun, you just have to barely aim for a body shot, and you can do it acurately enough while still maintaining a speed that is faster than the undead. Shotguns and running-and-gunning were made for each other.
There are many different advantages with the AR too, but ultimately I'd take a shotgun.

[TDW586]

Shotgun, because they're best for making quick escapes. Barricaded in a house, surrounded by zombies? Blast a hole through their ranks and run through it before the gap closes, then fire shots behind you at hip-level as you run to hamper pursuit. Need to run through an area that has many scattered zombies? Pick the least zombie-infested path, start sprinting, and just blast any zombie that gets too close. You don't need to try and kill the zombies, just get em down long enough for you to boot it outta there. It's very difficult to get accurate shots with a rifle while running. You don't have time to stop or slow down enough to aim for a headshot. With a shotgun, you just have to barely aim for a body shot, and you can do it acurately enough while still maintaining a speed that is faster than the undead. Shotguns and running-and-gunning were made for each other.
There are many different advantages with the AR too, but ultimately I'd take a shotgun.

No. No, it doesn't work that way.

[AUA]

Shotgun, because they're best for making quick escapes. Barricaded in a house, surrounded by zombies? Blast a hole through their ranks and run through it before the gap closes, then fire shots behind you at hip-level as you run to hamper pursuit. Need to run through an area that has many scattered zombies? Pick the least zombie-infested path, start sprinting, and just blast any zombie that gets too close. You don't need to try and kill the zombies, just get em down long enough for you to boot it outta there. It's very difficult to get accurate shots with a rifle while running. You don't have time to stop or slow down enough to aim for a headshot. With a shotgun, you just have to barely aim for a body shot, and you can do it acurately enough while still maintaining a speed that is faster than the undead. Shotguns and running-and-gunning were made for each other.
There are many different advantages with the AR too, but ultimately I'd take a shotgun.

Spread with 00 buckshot is about ~12 inches at 20 yards, making it a pattern (i.e not especially useful for hitting more than one target).



You can't get accurate shots with ANY weapon if you AREN'T AIMING. 'Hip-firing' that reliably hits targets while on the move only exists in video games and action movies.

For the record, any shot that you can make successfully with buckshot, you can make with a rifle. You level your gun at the target (presumably while also quickly lining up the sights) and fire with either weapon. You can fire an AR in about the same amount of time as a shotgun; they're both long arms.

00 Buck only means that you MIGHT inflict nine wounds instead of one (or maybe only eight, or five, or three); terminal ballistics are contestable, but IMO, I'd rather have one solid hit with 77gr 5.56 at a longer range than nine at near-point blank. What with blood/fluid transfer and all that.

[Bad Penny 08]

I'm really surprised no one has mentioned plomb disco/cubic/quadrangle (http://www.mkballistics.com/special.htm) shot and other brushloads and tricks for increasing spread.

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and Buck & ball and triplex for their "versatility."

[Regular Guy]

I'm just getting onto this but another plus for the AR, sound suppression. That's right, a gun muffler can be easily mounted on an AR. Shottie, not so much.

[Regular Guy]

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Now this thread will never end.