Would a 22 LR kill a zombie?

[jdudkiewicz]

I think we need to research a good analogue for a human head, then test it. Anyone know the force needed to penetrate the skull?

[shiddymunkie]

I think we should try to get ZombieGoBoom to do it for us, using their new zombie analogues. I think the .22 LR myth is prevalent enough in the zombie culture that it should warrant a test. Lets all start bombarding them with this request until they give in!



http://www.youtube.com/user/ZombieGoBoomTV

[edit] wait they already have!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyU1l5Kg ... plpp_video

I would still like to see this done on a clear acrylic skull (or globe with equivalent density/thickness/etc)...that was we can actually see what the f is going on when the .22 doesn't exit the head.

[jdudkiewicz]

I think it's more likely that the round enters, then fragments when it hits the back. The fragments would go off in separate directions. From what I've seen from the several mythbusters experiments involving ricochets unless it's and FMJ or TMJ it's very hard to keep a bullet together when it hits something it can't punch through.

[Zultra]

Would a 22. kill a zombie with a double tap to the head? If so i would rather stock up on cheap 22. round than the more expence 223. or 7.52 rounds. You get more ammo for your money.

Any bullet can kill, it's about placement.

[ben1022]

A 22LR WILL 100% KILL A ZOMBIE. The 22 is WAY under rated. The 22 is the pochers, assasins, and trappers favorite caliber. There are plenty of videos on youtube that prove the effectiveness of the 22lr. Ballistically out of a rifle the 22lr has been proven to be lethal out to 300 yards to animals and humans alike. I made it a point to purchase two 22lr's for my zombie prepping.

[ZH10950]

If it weighs more than 30 pounds...I would not shoot a .22 at it.

[Turtlewolf]

If it weighs more than 30 pounds...I would not shoot a .22 at it.

Since this thread has been necroed and people seem to be barfing the same bullshit about the .22 LR that polutes more than one thread I'm going to chime in.
The only problem black bear we ever had back on the farm that needed shooting was shot with a .22 LR 40 grain solid, one shot dead bear.
At least a couple of hundred goats, sheep and cattle were harvested over the years by me personaly with the .22 LR all with almost 100% success as long as I used 40 grain solids-hollowpoints are only good for gophers and other small vermine that you don't want to eat.
Even the vaunted CCI Stinger is garbage.
As with other small bore cartridges shot placement and penetration are key but that little 40 grain lead slug performs very well in both departments at least out to 50-60 meters in my own personal experience.
Is it optimal?
No.
Does it work?
Yes.
Would I rather have a 7.62x39 for zombies? That depends on the situation.

[Browning 35]

This is a .22LR to the noggin of a feral hog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mV2Qii_4Vb4&sns=em

Field test of a new Silencer. Shooting a Wild Boar for control. 22 LR CUSTOM, CCI Stinger. Home made monocore Silencer: Can is Aluminum, inside steel and caps (both) in Derlin.

This is a hunting video of a .22 Gamo Hunter Extreme air rifle to the noggin of another hog which is comparable to the .22LR
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbJeJ5PVMUM&sns=em

If anything a hogs skull is thicker than a human skull, so if it'll make it through a hogs skull then it'll make it through a (if such a thing existed) zombie skull.

[ben1022]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1r_444CY

this video should be all the proof anyone needs in this debate. 22LR is effective out to 440 yards. obviously shot placement is key, so dont think body shots will drop any zombies. But head shots with a 22LR will work just as effectivly as a 223, with less recoil, lighter ammo, and quieter report (which happens to be key in a zombie infested world). As stated above, hollow points are useless. stick to ball ammo, I personally like federal and cci, when it comes to rimfire ammo.

[velojym]

The Return of GunKid...

All kidding aside, given a rooftop inaccessible to the zombie horde, I'd while the hours away popping 'em with a 10/22 and a few crates of ammo.

[Slip]

Are you guys F'ing kidding me !!

Another conspiracy I suspect. Why do law enforcement, military and big game hunters eschew this round and embrace heavier rounds.

It has its place, I've a couple. But please....for big game....come on. How mow many animals were sacrificed for the videos. I come from a familly of hunters. The .22 was great for squirrel.

Let's talk Zeds for the moment. Read the news. How many victims survived when a .22 circumvented the skull when impacted.

Sheesh.

[shiddymunkie]

Are you guys F'ing kidding me !!

Another conspiracy I suspect. Why do law enforcement, military and big game hunters eschew this round and embrace heavier rounds.

That question has already been answered. See below.

If the .22lr is so great, why doesn't the US military use it?

Because the living and the undead are two different creatures, and as such, ammo designed for one may not be the best choice for the other. With that in mind, the military would have no use for the .22LR caliber, regardless of how well it would work against zeds, for the simple fact that zombies aren't real

(snip)

I think its a mistake to assume that calibers which work well against the living will also work well against the undead. A living human has dozens of physiological vulnerabilities that zombies do not -- and for the most part, these vulnerabilities are what make larger calibers effective. A person can be stopped by damaging any number of vital organs, a person can bleed out, a person can succumb to hydrostatic shock or pure "knock down power". But in the case of zombies, none of those matter...which means most of what makes a larger caliber projectiles effective aren't going to make a damn difference against a zombie. No, the only way to take out a zombie is to destroy a small area in the brain -- and this can be done effectively with a .22LR or a .50BMG.

Here is an example to help illustrate my point. Imagine you are at the range and trying to shoot a baseball, which will represent the "Fatal T" area in the brain. The baseball is 25 ft away, the distance between you and the zombie. The baseball is also swinging on a string to mimic the stagger of the zombie as it approaches you. The goal is to land one hit on the baseball in 5 seconds or less, which is to simulate the approximate time it would take for a zombie to reach you from that distance. Would you rather have 2 rounds of 7.62, or 10 rounds of .22LR?

That's all I'm saying.

In the land of the undead, shot placement is king, not power. Any advantages you may think a larger diameter bullet can give you is something that applies MUCH MORE with the living, and with non-head shots, than it does with taking out a zombie. I'm not saying there is no advantage to using larger calibers, just that there is a greater advantage in being able to carry significantly more ammo, and being able to shoot significantly faster/easier with the .22LR, than would be gained by using larger, harder-to-shoot calibers.

I'll take the .22 TYVM, and will consider the fact that I can shoot it all day long without attracting more zombies as an added bonus. You are free to disagree, it's no skin off my back.

[Mad Mike]

Would a 22. kill a zombie with a double tap to the head? If so i would rather stock up on cheap 22. round than the more expence 223. or 7.52 rounds. You get more ammo for your money.

Sense Furpiles.

Hey, use the search button. This has been talked about at length.

Be that as it may, when I tried this I got 519 pages worth of hits.
That is a bit much to search!!!!

[Mad Mike]

Would a 22. kill a zombie with a double tap to the head? If so i would rather stock up on cheap 22. round than the more expence 223. or 7.52 rounds. You get more ammo for your money.

At close or point-blank range, perhaps. At all other ranges, the .223 and other rounds the skull to the brain), are using it in conjunction with an evasion/avoidance-at-all-costs plan, and train with it regularly, then for zombies, I suppose you could use a .22 LR against zombies

Back on the farm we used 22 LR to put down 1200 lb steers with no problem. Never a problem with penetration, and I'm betting zombie skulls are even thinner!

[yossarian]

We'll never know for sure. Zombies.22LR doesn't really exist

[Bunni]

I used to go fishing in the White river bottoms in Arkansas. Back then there was a bounty on snapping turtles because of "El nino" for some reason it was perfect breeding scenario and they were decimating the bass populations. So we would sit up on a balcony and pop snapping turtle in the shell. Limit was 20 a day, bounty was $.10 but the owner of the land offered $.50, because his migrant workers liked to eat them. I sound like such a redneck... But yes the 22lr was the weapon of choice, and the longest kill shot was to the far bank which was about 325-350 yards. I figure if it pops a thick turtle shell, it can pop a human.

As a Zweapon, sure why not. Its better than nothing. And fun is far better than nothing.

[tacz]

I love it when people dismiss the .22 for zeds....more ammo for me!

I'll shoot the .22 - I'm not scared!

[arentol]

I agree tacz...

What people forget is that if you have to outrun zombies on foot just one time you will end up with only what you can carry in your go-bag. So they can have their 9mm and .233, I will take .22lr that allows me to carry twice as much ammo at half the weight. And I will replace that weight with food and tools. In a ZPAW efficiency is key, and if all you need to get the job done is .22lr then the larger the round you use the more efficiency you give away.

[Bunni]

A group of us at a Shootoff decided to have some fun and test a theory... 22 makes amazing suppressing fire. Who cares if you shoot off a few hundred rounds of 22 to keep some troll pinned down while others can move to a better position. No trolls were aimed at or harmed in the experiment all trolls were hypothetical.

[IceMyst]

I'no weapons expert..... But a .22lr will penetrate a skull, the Israelis use .22lrs as sniper rifles. In the balkans they used .22lrs as anti personal rounds. IIRC a .22lr has a CONFIRMED kill of 350m so that's almost 4 American football fields. It may not be a .308, or a .223 but but a round that's normally cost $20 per 500 it's easy to stack cheap and deep. It is in NO way the best round, but I rather have that in a nice 10/22 then a 9mm/.40/.45 handgun any day. So if it comes down to you owning and practicing with a .22lr then get to know what YOU can do as far as shot placement and rate of fire. You could keep the zeds at bay and any other aggressor thinking twice before advancing on your AO

Edit: tried to find the original source for the 350m kill with a .22lr and could not did read of plenty of 200m kills.... So take it for what it's worth WMMV

[tacz]

That's what I'm talking about! Affordability and efficiency!

I'll shoot the .22 - I'm not scared!

[Tommy Kaira]

A couple of things I noticed. People seem to be saying "I'm not accurate enough to put a .22 in the right spot so I'll use a larger calibre" Well, I hate to break it to you but missing with a large calibre will do the same amount of damage as missing with a .22!

I belive the Israeli army started using the .22lr as a "less than lethal" crowd control round (like bean bags, etc). Tgey quickly abandoned it when they found it to be very lethal, even at range!

Don't get me wrong, I have several calibres but .22 would be high up the list if I has to grab what I can carry and run. It 'CAN' be leathal but can also take small game, etc...try finding any meat to eat on a rabbit thats been shot with a .308!

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[Gothboy]

Don't know if its been said before, but a 22lr will do the job rather efficiently, my reason being it has enough to penetrate the skull, but not go all the way thru. Instead it will sort of bounce around inside abit...blender status. That's why they say assassins prefer it. This is all research I've gleaned from death certificates at work over the years. I don't know at what range this effect happens tho.

[Doctorr Fabulous]

Don't know if its been said before, but a 22lr will do the job rather efficiently, my reason being it has enough to penetrate the skull, but not go all the way thru. Instead it will sort of bounce around inside abit...blender status. That's why they say assassins prefer it. This is all research I've gleaned from death certificates at work over the years. I don't know at what range this effect happens tho.

Citation required.