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Raider realities....

Post by stetson » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:37 am

So many folks are concerned about the long term aspect of raiders. Why?

Raiders are going to exist however they are going to be more along the lines of opportunistic feeders rather then overt agressors. Heres my reasoning.

A) Tolerance, The local remaining populace will not long tolerate someone taking their resources, this leads to folks seeking out assisstance to dealing with the raiders.

B) Fortifications, while some folks like to qoute Patton fortifications do remain a viable defense even more so in PAW, the raiders will need to have more forces to attack and overwhelm a defense point then those manning it.

C) Support and logistics, raiders will need to succeed repeatedly in order to maintain a longterm siege, food, munitions, tools, medical support, if they dont take care of the troops the troops will freaking leave just look at the brush wars of africa. Without a super power support all revolutions would have failed.

While I have limited time to post this my position is this, preparation, planning, and mindset will contain a raider threat. Go ahead and discuss I would love to hear others thoughts.

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by JTNieman » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:41 am

Concern for 'raiders' is time proven and sound.

It only takes one encounter to kill you.

Every major natural and man-made disaster results in incredibly violent outbreaks of looting and other acts of opportunism and desperation. Why would you -not- be concerned for such things?

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Finch » Mon Apr 26, 2010 11:43 am

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by stetson » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:04 pm

I was just reading posts and there seems to be an overwhelming fear of Raiders. I would take precautions yes however some of the overwhelming boogey man metality is out of control.

The pic above is a perfect example, folks will band together to face a common threat.

In our area I have planned to support my family, then those close enough to support me. The lone wolf mentality fortress solitude mentality will only get you dead faster.

I guess what I am trying to say is I dont feel the mad max doom and gloom scenario is as likely as many think. Most folks I expect to run into PAW will be looking for support, protection, and some semblance of community.

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Finch » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:17 pm

i for one welcome are raider overlords
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Sckitzo » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:39 pm

Because what my start as a small gang of opportunistic vultures can quickly switch to a more coordinated and well equipped force.

Any number of catalyst could make a group switch, new leadership, lack of resources or they see an opportunity for example.

Now, do I expect dudes with sawed shotgun, ass less chaps, armor made from old tires and hockey masks riding motorcycles? No.

I expect desperate and possibly sociopathic criminals.

Lets say we have a group of 10 gangmembers from "Gang XYZ" in whatever major city you want to name.

Shit goes bad, these guys and girls go to, for what most of em is, the only home and sense of safety they have.

They just sit tight for a day or two, but start to run out of food. Allright, no biggie, loot enough to make it another few days and their good to go.

A week or two, maybe a month passes and this cycle is starting to produce less and less. So now they either need to A) Starve or B) Not Starve.

All it takes is enough desperate people and a opportunity. Our Gang has a couple pistols and some improvised bludgeons. They see a another group, possibly a "soft" target such as geriatrics or a group with no visible security (weapons, attitude, appearance, ect)

Well, their hungry so how hard would it be to beat up those other guys and take those boxes of fruit loops?

Well damn! That WAS easy, we should do this more often!

See where I'm going with this?

This is still in scavenger tier to me (but dangerous and a threat) but if one or more of these groups got together and someone with even a little bit of leadership and charisma talked em into hitting harder targets (Police, Military, Govt) and they pulled it off it could quickly build up steam.

Of course by the point their going to draw the ire of said Police and possibly Military in the form of NG, but that may not be enough if the threat isn't seen as credible.

I don't think Raiders are a huge threat, they sit in the sort of middle of my threat pyramid but not something I'm going to discount.

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by bigmattdaddywack » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:40 pm

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That picture brings a tear to my eye due to national pride.
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Edit: I like the golf cart.
How about a thread on using Golf carts for reconnaissance and troop transport\ambulance duty..

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by stetson » Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:41 pm

No way man it would be like having another wife telling me what to do, where to go, how to do things, read the directions. Stuff like that.

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by LordXenu » Tue Apr 27, 2010 6:51 am

While I have been thinking about the potential of me or my loved one's being harmed by raider's the best thing I could come up with is avoid contact with other group's unless absolute necessary. While the picture above look's fine and dandy if you make contact with them whether your a raider or not they may mistake you for a raider or defend what they have and shoot first ask question's later.
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by ChaoticL0gic » Thu Jul 15, 2010 7:03 pm

I have given a good amount of thought to this (I really need to get a job). This my theory on what could happen in a PAW.
This is just my theory based on what I have seen of human nature and group psychology which really is not that much.
  • SHTF
  • Mass panic
  • Riots
  • Exodus from major cities
  • small towns, State parks, become refuge camps
  • Resources disappear,
  • Strong take from the week (armed Vs unarmed)
  • Those that survive disperse to more rural areas
  • Some adapt some don't i.e. Farming, H&G, self reliance, communal living
  • Those that don't die-off or begin to take from those that have adapted i.e. Raiders
Do be honest I don't see the "gangs" becoming a severe issue outside of major cities. The ones that worry me are the "Mall Ninjas" or gun totting yahoo's that spend all their time reading survival books but never actually go out to practice and learn survival first hand. Because they know enough to be dangerous. (much like the guy that try's to fix his own car or computer but only makes it worse) They are the ones that will head out to the rural area's and try to set-up for long term and fail. Once their cases of MRE's and spam run out, that growl in their stomach is louder than the cries of the person they just shot.
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Murph » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:21 pm

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Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
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Post by CryHavoc » Thu Jul 15, 2010 8:25 pm

ChaoticL0gic wrote:Do be honest I don't see the "gangs" becoming a severe issue outside of major cities.
There are already gangs in some rural areas. They move out to the suburbs and rural areas to get away from the 'heat' (i.e. the police) in the cities. When you've got a small town and all of a sudden there's a heroin/cocaine problem at the high school, that means somebody moved in. Also, don't forget that some of the major biker gangs (like the Outlaws) like the rural areas and are already set up there.
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by ChaoticL0gic » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:43 pm

Murph wrote:
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Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
I love the bandanna covering his face, with an ID card hang on his neck. Classic!
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by alwayswandering » Thu Jul 15, 2010 11:49 pm

ChaoticL0gic wrote:
Murph wrote:
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Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
I love the bandanna covering his face, with an ID card hang on his neck. Classic!
That's how Haiti "rolls"!

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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Stab74 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 3:19 am

alwayswandering wrote:
ChaoticL0gic wrote:
Murph wrote:
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Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
I love the bandanna covering his face, with an ID card hang on his neck. Classic!
That's how Haiti "rolls"!
I don't want your money or your food. Just put your fucking hat on straight!
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by ChaoticL0gic » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:00 am

alwayswandering wrote:
ChaoticL0gic wrote:
Murph wrote:
Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
I love the bandanna covering his face, with an ID card hang on his neck. Classic!
That's how Haiti "rolls"!

"Mutha fucker, you will eat it on a boat, you eat them with a goat,
bitch you will eat them on a train or in da rain,
You will eat my green eggs and ham!"

I so see a caption contest coming :lol:
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Finch » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:15 am

it could be a cop

they police use a lot of scatterguns down there

also i love how he is trying to hold the shotgun sideways
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Stab74 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:09 am

No I didn't buy my jeans pre-torn at the knees to be fashionable! This is SHTF wear and tear bitch!
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by AZMedic » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:17 am

Raiders will start to show up in great numbers after the 72 hour mark of a disaster no matter what or where. Katrina and Haiti are great example of that. Shoot bro in the head over a water bottle. Yep, can someone find that picture?

Long term people are going to band together and some may just roam and pillage. Its human nature. History does repeat itself. Hell there are raiders now adays and there is no catastrophic disaster.

My car was raided for a fucking IPOD and GPS...seriously....
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by aus.templar » Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:20 am

In Australia where only the pigs and the crims have guns, looters are a distinct possibility with devastating outcomes
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Post by Mr. E. Monkey » Fri Jul 16, 2010 1:27 pm

Sckitzo wrote:Now, do I expect dudes with sawed shotgun, ass less chaps, armor made from old tires and hockey masks riding motorcycles? No.
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by Stab74 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:11 pm

I expect assless chaps because that's what chaps are. Otherwise they'd be pants. Yes, chaps with asses are pants. :D
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by elkhills » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:24 pm

The Raider realities are:
1. They have made a lot good moves this off season- cutting Jamarcus was the best addition by subtraction move in years.
2. They still have a lot of holes to fill.
3. Until that Nasferatu Al Davis turns to dust Raiders will never be a legitimate threat.
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Re: Raider realities....

Post by crypto » Fri Jul 16, 2010 2:46 pm

Murph wrote:
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Looter looting a looter in Haiti
Just goes to show that people will do anything.
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