Martial Arts/Hand-to-hand Combat

by **ghostface** » Mon Mar 28, 2005 4:14 pm

Some points in favor of never discussing martial arts/hand-to-hand here ever again. EVER.

Reason #1: Only a tiny fraction of people have enough martial arts or hand-to-hand training to take on a horde of zombies with any better chance at surviving than the rest of us.
Reason #2: If you count your self among that tiny fraction, good for you! You are still not going to teach me what I need to know in order to join you- especially over the internet. Be content with your accomplishments. Silently content.
Reason #3: The vast majority of people who talk about martial arts/hand-to-hand combat on the internet are liars, kids or both.
Reason #4: There are plenty of other forums where literally all people talk about is this shit. They’d probably love to hear from you!
Reason #5: If the mods didn’t have to waste so much time cleaning up such threads, they could waste it doing something a lot more entertaining. Like drinking bourbon.
Reason #6: The points that "it gets you into shape" and "it might help against human foes" are conceded, SO NO NEED TO BRING THEM BACK UP.
Reason #7: The point that "it is always good to have a backup weapon in case your firearm should fail" is hereby conceded. However, we recommend something that serves another practical purpose (identifying you as a dork is not practical).
Reason #8: Most people here can probably kick, punch and push. Those who can’t are beyond saving and more than likely named Kyle.
Reason #9: If there is something that you absolutely have to relate about Martial Arts or hand-to-hand, you can always post it in Off-Topic or Personal Experiences. You can, but please don’t.
Reason #10: Bruce Lee killed my dad. Yep. That’s why I had to go ahead and put the fucker in a coma and shoot his son. So I have all kinds of negative associations, as you can imagine.

Edited to add more reasons.

by **zXzGrifterzXz** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:37 am

I agree with GhostFace fully. I can confidently say you wouldn’t see me fighting the undead with my appendages if I still had a way out. It would be a terrible idea. And that is the opinion of a Combat Self Defense instructor with over 10 years of martial arts training.

by **Gundown** » Tue Mar 29, 2005 6:51 am

I'm sad that "What kind of music would you play while using martial arts against zombies on Easter?" will not fit as a thread title.

by **Boris** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:15 pm

Only here can there be complaints about the ridiculousness of using martial arts on zombies. While we're at it, I think it's really stupid to talk about the effectiveness of guns against zombies, because, well, the fuckers are already dead. What's a bullet going to do? Let's ban talking about using guns against zombies because how can you kill something that's already dead.

Get my point? Zombies are fictional, therefor ANY method of getting rid of them is really up for debate. That includes martial arts. Yeah, the threads may be stupid, just don't answer them. I don't think that it is productive to completely rule something out, especially when it (martial arts) has lasted thousands of years as a method of defense.

My 2 cents.

Website · by **redhotkat** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:36 pm

Oh noooooooo................

And so it begins. Again.

by **squido** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 8:44 pm

using martial arts to stop a zombie is laughable.

as a very last resort i think i'd punch a zombie in the face though.

ya never know when you're high on adrennaline how much you'd be able to pound the crap out of its head till it's dead.

pretty bad ideah however, because your hand is gonna be bleeding like fuck after that (assuming by some twisted amazing act of god you win), and that means you're infected.

Website · by **redhotkat** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:16 pm

Maybe Ghostface can title this thread "What kind of music would you play while using martial arts nakie against zombies on Easter"?

by **Whatever** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:35 pm

ha ha

by **ghostface** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 9:39 pm

You know, I deserve this for not making it a locked thread...

No debates, just a simple poll- I want everyone on the board who has martial arts experience to chime in. List your qualifications and whether or not you think that

A) It's worthwhile talking about martial arts on the internet to people who don't know shit about martial arts in an attempt to prepare them for any kind of disaster, zombie or not.
B) Your age.
C) Your REAL age.

The differences between martial arts and firearm discussion are legion. First off, the last time I checked, you can't take down game at 200 yards using martial arts. Secondly, there is a dedicated place for firearms discussion. If enough people who aren't talking out of their asses feel that martial arts have a legitimate place in discussing survival and zombie survival, perhaps something could be arranged. Don't get me wrong, many people here feel that the gun talk is overshadowing other preparedness steps that are just as, if not more important. We're working on that as well. Thirdly, this is "Zombie Squad". Not "Bully/Mugger/Rapist/My 13 year old cousin Squad". The tried and true method of zombie disposal is shots to the head. We're kinda bound by the underlying theme a bit, yes? But, I digress.

Martial arts-trained gentlemen and ladies, please weigh in on this issue. Keep in mind reasons 6, 7 and 8 listed above. Go!

by ***Mike*** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 10:24 pm

Um, I started about three months ago. I'm currently enrolled in a Choy Li-Fut program, and everything I have learned has no application to a zombie. I think training in a martial art is a good idea for the things mentioned in Reasons #6 & 7, but seriously if you were surrounded by several zombies, and couldn't run you could probably kill a couple of zombies. But chances are you will be either bitten or mauled, so it would be simpler to just try and make run for it.

Final Thought on Martial arts and any other form of Melee combat, forget it. Like Ghostface said, etiher shoot them from a decent distance or avoid them, why engage in needless combat, and risk your life.

by **Boris** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:17 pm

I have been training in Okinawan Kenpo for over 5 years. No, not from some silly online course or something, but from a fully credible dojo. I'm 23 years old. I for one take anyone's martial arts "training" with a grain of salt, and I've never really cared if someone has been training for a year or fifty. It's all relative. Some people are really good and have trained for a short while, some people are mediocre and have been training for a long time. Each school is different. I'm not going to sit here and say I can levitate or shove my hand through someone's chest, but I think it's silly, no, stupid for people to take one method of killings zombies totally seriously, while treating others as laughable. Last time I checked, zombies aren't real. If there are any people with any real zombie killing experience, I will gladly hear what they have to say.

While I don't think martial arts threads are entirely productive, I don't see the point in banning them. That's saying one method of defense is better than the other, when no one has any practical skills in killing zombies, I think it's silly to criticize one or the other. While in theory martial arts may not be a great way of killing zombies, there's no proof whatsoever. So why eliminate it? Just let the people who feel like discussing it do it. If it makes them feel great, what's wrong with that. I've seen a lot sillier things than martial arts threads on these boards.

by **Bear_B** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:38 pm

Reason #11 not to ever post about your martial arts experience ever again...

You dont have to hear Ghostface bitch about it... :wink:

by **ghostface** » Wed Mar 30, 2005 11:40 pm

Bear_B wrote:Ghostface bitch about it...

D'oh!

by ***Mike*** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:09 am

Bear_B wrote:Reason #11 not to ever post about your martial arts experience ever again...

You dont have to hear Ghostface bitch about it...

Agreed.

by **DoubleTap** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:12 am

I'm 34. My martial arts training consists of about 8 months of YMCA Tae Kwon Do Classes between the ages of 11 and 12, as well as 24 years of watching kung-fu movies and flailing around my house to the soulful sounds of Carl Douglas and Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five. Thanks to the advent of stop motion on video and DVD, I have developed an expertise with the nunchuka that has made me the hit of many a barbeque and that impresses people like drum majorettes and jugglers, who appreciate how difficult it is to have spinning objects orbiting one's body without injuring oneself.

The only fights I've been in as an adult were two boxing matches with 16 oz glozes. In the first, I got hit in the face so hard that I felt like I had whiplash. In the second, I got a thumb in my eye that ripped off my left cornea.

My combat experience, such as it is, has done nothing so much as cause me injury and pain I otherwise could have avoided. However, it also makes me a leading authority on zombie combat, since, as Satan's Nutsack points out, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A FIGMENT OF OUR COLLECTIVE IMAGINATION.

In the several weeks I've been visiting this forum, I've been very impressed with the level of knowledge and expertise about a great many practical things that I know next to nothing about. But nobody has impressed me with their knowledge of zombies, because we've all seen the same movies and read the same books, and I've done more of this than any responsible adult has a right to.

I remain open to the possibility that zombies could exist. Why not? I believe in God, and I can't explain Him either. However, I don't believe that anyone here has seen, much less killed, a zombie, so pardon me if I remain dubious about the orthodoxy of zombie combat.

On a forum like this, which discusses weapons, combat, and zombie-killing, clear and closely-enforced rules of conduct are entirely appropriate. Rules about how to think, however, aren't appropriate anywhere.

by **ghostface** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:30 am

DoubleTap wrote:Rules about how to think, however, aren't appropriate anywhere.

Best reason yet to disagree with what I said. I like it, keep it coming. This place is a voice for all which is why this particular post is here. C'mon, people! Fight for your right.

Website · by **redhotkat** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:09 am

Ghostface wrote:Fight for your right.

Yes, and whilst fighting for your rights bear in mind that Ghostfaces' favorite word is "Nakie".

by **zXzGrifterzXz** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 1:40 am

I have been in the martial arts for over 10 years. Instructing for the last 4. Most of my traditional training is in Ed Parker’s Kenpo system. The last 5 years I have been training and teaching Combat SelfDefense alongside local and state law enforcement agencies. My areas of knowledge mainly focus on hand to hand and knife tactics. In my spare time I train local law enforcement in Self Defense and I am currently working a deal with my local police academy to be certified to be one of their instructors. What I teach is no nonsense real world combat. No gold trimmed belts, no katas, no bowing or fancy dress, this is no sport karate. I train hard and fight harder cause I know someday my life or the lives of those around me might depend on my abilities. I work part time as a bouncer and have been in more fights then I would like to admit. Also I am 21 years of age. Here is my stance on this issue.

As the PAW(Non zombie) is concerned. Like it or not if the world as we know it ends(Economy’s crumble along with Governments and society in general) years later there will be a time when ammo runs out and we will be forced to defend ourselves in a more primitive manor. Now I am not saying that people with martial arts skills will be unstoppable but I do think the knowledge I have will be quite helpful if not vital to arming and readying my fellow survivors.

Now as the Zompocalypse is concerned. Nancy Reagan said it best. “Just say no.” The situation would have to be VERY dire for me to ever even consider the use of Hand to Hand Combat on a Snarling reanimated Corpse. And when I say dire I mean I am trapped with no other exit but THROUGH a stagger of Zombies or I am bitten already and am desperately trying to buy time for my fellow survivors to escape an area. Either way I set the probability of dieing quite high if not definite. Now if multiple survivors( 6 - 8 ) who were reasonably equipped were to go up against a few(less then 4) zombies in a non enclosed area then I can see them possibly making it though the event without dying but I would still rate it as dangerous and foolhardy.

The point of all this? With Zombies around I would trust my life to my H&K USP 9mm and my Ruger police Carbine before my fists and feet.

by **Bear_B** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:15 am

I think we should all PM Ghostface the word NAKIE.

by **ghostface** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 9:31 am

zXzGrifterzXz wrote: As the PAW(Non zombie) is concerned. Like it or not if the world as we know it ends(Economy’s crumble along with Governments and society in general) years later there will be a time when ammo runs out and we will be forced to defend ourselves in a more primitive manor.

In the rough and wild PAW, I don’t see too many fights happening that aren’t settled with bullets. For a looooooooong time. But that’s just my opinion. Excellent points otherwise.

Bear, Kat- sod off.

I don’t think the word "nakie" is in and of itself creepy. But used in the context of “Me and my boyfriend sleep nakie together. Tee hee!” - it becomes creepy as fuck. "Nakie" is a little kid sounding word, and using it a sexual context isgross to me. I’ve had the misfortune of running into girls who use baby talk in a sexual way and it made me feel like a pedophile.

Saying "nakie" makes a woman sound like she’s either too young or too dumb to know which hole makes the babies…

Nasty.

by **Boris** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 12:08 pm

Okay, not to beat a dead horse, but I think I can explain myself a little better. Perhaps we all have different views of martial arts. When I speak about martial arts, I'm not just talking about punches and kicks. A big part of martial arts is developing a greater sense of awareness to your surroundings, and knowing how to react when certain situations arise. You repeatedly practice so that when a situation DOES arise, you don't have to think, you just react. That could be something as simple as moving to the side. Or even shoving an attacker away from you, or using their own mass/momentum against them. It could also mean just not letting them get their hands on you (sticky-hands). Most of all, martial arts (practically ANY form when done properly) will give the practitioner a greater sense of control and economy of effort.

Do I think martial arts has a place in zombie combat? Honestly, I really do. Martial arts was never meant to be practiced 200 yards from an opponent. Definitely that is firearm territory, but for close combat, I think it is viable. I don't have to punch or kick a zombie to not let it get close to me. I don't pretend to be invincible, but if I am faced with an unexpected close quarters attack, knowing martial arts gives me an advantage. Same with firearm training. It's being able to react w/out thinking. It doesn't replace a gun, but if you don't have a gun, ammo, or are caught off guard, it is CERTAINLY better than having no self-defense training at all. Plus, it just makes you a well-rounded zombie killer.

Ok, I will honestly just shut up now.

by **squido** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 2:54 pm

on the subject of no one knowing the best way to kill a zombie, i would disagree. not only is there an exhaustive amount of discussion on these forums of different types of zombies, and different ways in which they could be infected, but also in different possible ways to kill them. out of all of these, firearms always come out on top. hand to hand combat comes out at the bottom.

that is all i will say on the matter

by **Tophat** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:34 pm

I will admit in a close combat situation with no guns around or any other obvious weapons martial arts can only help the person put there. However, as much as you practice and train the only time your ever going to want to use martial arts in a zombie situation is when you have no other option. I think running is more effective than going hand to hand with a zombie. I have always said I would never discourage martial arts for training as it does make you more physically in shape and more in tune with your body. However it only holds value in combat in the fact you might be able to evade better and when it comes down to it someone who knows martial arts compared to someone who doesn't fighting more than 1 zombie holds a better chance of surviving but I don't think the percentage difference in survival is really going to prove martial arts to be valuable for close combat in the end. If you get in close combat with no other weapons. Go by this saying. Observe first, Evade if you can, Fight it out only if you have to It isn't catchy but its words to live by in my opinion. And I mean live instead of reanimating after your martial arts got you infected a few minutes after the guy who didn't know such skills.

by **bgaesop** » Thu Mar 31, 2005 3:50 pm

ghostface wrote:No debates, just a simple poll- I want everyone on the board who has martial arts experience to chime in. List your qualifications and whether or not you think that

A) It's worthwhile talking about martial arts on the internet to people who don't know shit about martial arts in an attempt to prepare them for any kind of disaster, zombie or not.
B) Your age.
C) Your REAL age.

The differences between martial arts and firearm discussion are legion. First off, the last time I checked, you can't take down game at 200 yards using martial arts.

I took several years(5?) of Fencing, as well as around 4 of Tae Kwon Do, etc.
A)No. completely pointless.
B)A million.
c)sixteen.

Also, of course you can take down game at 200 yards with martial arts. Hyduoken!

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