a bullet hole in my ceiling

[KnightoftheRoc]

boy, i expected just to get called an asshat a bunch of times, instead it turned into a colorful debate.
the moral of the story is be careful with your guns lol
now we can all get along

oh wait, forgot this was ZS

Asshat!


There, feel better now?

[austin93906]

boy, i expected just to get called an asshat a bunch of times, instead it turned into a colorful debate.
the moral of the story is be careful with your guns lol
now we can all get along

oh wait, forgot this was ZS

Asshat!


There, feel better now?

lol, very much so indeed my good sir

[squinty]

firearms stay in the safe, locked. i have to be asked to unlock the safe, even if my parents want their sensitive documents from the safe.
all it took was one dropped round, and someone seeing a place to put it. i neglected to let anyone know that they were all dummy rounds. to anyone else, it would look like a drawer of ammo, seemingly the right place to drop a round they found on my floor.

Why aren't your parents able to access their sensitive documents without asking you? Did they ask to put them in your gun safe?

[squinty]

In another thread, you discussed your parents' ambivalence about you owning firearms, and your father's annoyance that you brought firearms into his house. I sympathize, because my immediate family are kind of hoplophobic too - though I moved out of my parents' house long before I purchased any firearms. I wondered how your ND had affected their attitudes about gun ownership in general, or your gun ownership in particular.

[austin93906]

About the documents, yes, they asked me to store them in my safe.

As far as their feelings about me owning firearms, in some odd way the ND actually made them a little more relaxed because i prove to them i react responsibly if anything were to happen.

[Curtai]

Kinda funny, I skimmed this post, then when I was outta town, when I was home on leave back in late January, I stopped at a gun shop I have never been to before and saw the Snap Caps I proceeded to purchase some for both calibers of weapons I currently own(9mm & 40S&W) . Damn now I think I have to get a 3rd (.45ACP)...

Just wanted to +1 the whole Snap Caps thing a couple months after I remember I have some. and Thanks for bringing it up, sorry about the hole in your roof...

[Azraeleternity]

I have a similar instance in which there was no property damage.

My dad was getting out his rifles to check them in our house in the mountains, and he pulls out his .30-06 and is making sure the scope hasn't been damaged, no damage to the barrel or stock, then pulls back the lever and out pops a round. "Huh..." And he proceeds to clear out the other 5 rounds from the rifle. Apparently those rounds had been sitting with one in the chamber for about twelve years (since the last time he went hunting).

Thank God for safeties. >_>

[Jeriah]

I think the lesson learned here is that, in regard to the rules of firearms safety, the redundancy is key. The reason that nobody got hurt when the OP had his ND, is that the weapon was pointed in a safe direction. (In a 2-story house, if you're on the top floor, up is the safest direction; on the ground floor, down at the ground would be. I think.) That's why we have multiple rules of safety: for when one fucks up.

Whether or not every shooter will eventually have an ND is a pointless and silly question; clearly it's a common problem, but it's absurd to claim to know that not shooter has lived their whole life without having one. I'm sure people go through life without an ND, just as I'm sure there are people who have gone through life without watching Star Wars. This is unimportant. My takeaway is this:

Whether or not you will have a negligent discharge during your lifetime, it is best to assume that you will. The reason for this is simple: if you assume that at some point you will fuck up and accidentally (negligently) discharge your firearm, you had damned well better make sure it's ALWAYS pointed in a safe direction. If you never have your ND, well, on your deathbed you can throw yourself a little party. But if you DO have one, hopefully this attitude will ensure that you had the weapon pointed in a safe direction at the time.

If you're reading this and thinking, "That's bullshit, Jeriah, I don't need to assume I'm going to have a negligent discharge to remind me to keep my weapon in a safe direction. I'm fucking perfect. I'm a god among men. I'm like Charlie Sheen's penis if it could hold a gun. I always keep my weapon pointed in a safe direction AND I'm also always so careful that I will never have a negligent discharge." That's great. Whatever attitude keeps you safe is fine. Just try not to throw out your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

[xd dude]

I'm like Charlie Sheen's penis if it could hold a gun.

[AK_Stick]

I've seen expert, combat veterans have ND's. I don't care how careful you are, if you spend enough time around anything, it's much easier to get complacent and make mistakes. There is not such thing as an "accidental discharge", only "negligent discharges";...

Machines always fail...as sure as you and I will die, a machine will fail.

BS, I've had a AD, and it was not negligent on my part.


My M-240H failed to fully re-cock after a test fire while in OIF. The gun later fired, without being touched by anyone and with the safety engaged.

Tell me, how is that ND? I did everything exactly as per the manual of arms, and many other soldiers experienced the same issue, which lead to the US military no longer issuing British 7.62x51mm because our 240's and their FN MAG's are set up slightly different, and that difference was causing AD's across the theater.



To the OP, the easy way to make snap caps out of a previously fired brass, is to drill out the primer pocket, and thread the hole. After you've got it threaded, screw in a white plastic screw, and viola snap cap. Its how I make snap caps for my exotic calibers (9.3x74R 416 Rigby etc)

[AK_Stick]

On the calling the police etc.


In reality, though very loud in a room in the house, you will more than likely not hear a gunshot from outside, if you do, it usually doesn't sound like a gunshot.

I've fired in a house, I've been outside a house and heard shots from inside, and I've heard suicides inside a small metal container in Iraq. Most times, its a loud pop, and nothing like a gunshot. Unless you're in an apartment or something, most people aren't going to notice. If I did shoot a hole in my own roof, I'd never call the cops.

[austin93906]

On the calling the police etc.


In reality, though very loud in a room in the house, you will more than likely not hear a gunshot from outside, if you do, it usually doesn't sound like a gunshot.

I've fired in a house, I've been outside a house and heard shots from inside, and I've heard suicides inside a small metal container in Iraq. Most times, its a loud pop, and nothing like a gunshot. Unless you're in an apartment or something, most people aren't going to notice. If I did shoot a hole in my own roof, I'd never call the cops.

although this is over a year old, ill reply and let ya know, it was heard by my neighbors two houses over, who were inside their house at the time it was fired. i went outside to check if people came out and they were outside and said they thought they heard a gunshot. they said it was louder than me firing my potato cannon, which is loud as hell to begin with.

[palehorse1301]

although this is over a year old, ill reply and let ya know, it was heard by my neighbors two houses over, who were inside their house at the time it was fired. i went outside to check if people came out and they were outside and said they thought they heard a gunshot. they said it was louder than me firing my potato cannon, which is loud as hell to begin with.

"Honey, what was that booming noise?"

"Oh, probably just the neighbor's son firing off his artillery again."

[austin93906]

although this is over a year old, ill reply and let ya know, it was heard by my neighbors two houses over, who were inside their house at the time it was fired. i went outside to check if people came out and they were outside and said they thought they heard a gunshot. they said it was louder than me firing my potato cannon, which is loud as hell to begin with.

"Honey, what was that booming noise?"

"Oh, probably just the neighbor's son firing off his artillery again."

im sure it went something like that lol.

[KnightoftheRoc]

The average person's response to an unusual sound is to stop, and see if it happens again- if it doesn't. the average person writes it off and goes back to whatever they were doing. Even people who go out to see what's up, like your neighbors did, will give up looking if nothing happens to reward the effort.

I'm betting that, had you stayed in the house and avoided doing anything to attract further attention, no reports would have been filed by anyone about anything. It would likely get written off as a car backfire, if any further thought was given to it at all. but, I give you credit for being a responsible gun owner and citizen, even if you got a little more responsible than was probably needed.

An AD would be any discharge of a weapon that is not intended. in AKstick's example, it would be no one's fault, at an operator level at least. And, believe it or not, some accidents really ARE "nobody's fault". But, they are still accidents, as in, not on purpose. Doesn't mean the guy holding the weapon was negligent.

[run faster]

i would have crapped my pants!!!

my giant ear lobes must absorb sound waves lol, my mosin didnt do anything but made me wonder why it was so loud....then i reached up to pull my muffs off and they werent there lol. granted that was outside

[austin93906]

My left ear is still f***ed to this day from the muzzle being right next to it when it went off. I cant understand what people are saying if theyre standing to my left, i have to turn and face them to be able to understand them. I mean i can hear that theyre talking, but its kinda muffled

[alptraum]

If you never have your ND, well, on your deathbed you can throw yourself a little party.

If you're reading this and thinking, "That's bullshit, Jeriah, I don't need to assume I'm going to have a negligent discharge to remind me to keep my weapon in a safe direction. I'm fucking perfect. I'm a god among men. I'm like Charlie Sheen's penis if it could hold a gun. I always keep my weapon pointed in a safe direction AND I'm also always so careful that I will never have a negligent discharge." That's great. Whatever attitude keeps you safe is fine. Just try not to throw out your shoulder patting yourself on the back.

Might as well use the same condescending language towards people that managed to drive cars and not run a pedestrian down or feed a baby without drowning or suffocating them.

[officeninja]

I solved the mystery, the Bullet Fairy was actually at one point in time my little brother. About 10 years ago i lived with a bunch of friends and all of us own multiple firearms. As there was never a time when someone wasnt home 90% of them were not locked up but were in fact hanging on the wall, in drawers, on the toilet tank... etc, well one day my roommate busted the little bastard running around and putting rounds in the chamber, keep in mind he was 20 at the time. All in all he had loaded at least 12 firearms without the owners knowledge, so yes, the Bullet Fairy is real and a real bitch. Oh he seriously go an ass beating to end all ass beatings, from an external standpoint i bet it looked like he was getting "Jumped In" to a gang, he has however learned his lesson and even more important, no one got hurt.

[Braxton]

I solved the mystery, the Bullet Fairy was actually at one point in time my little brother. About 10 years ago i lived with a bunch of friends and all of us own multiple firearms. As there was never a time when someone wasnt home 90% of them were not locked up but were in fact hanging on the wall, in drawers, on the toilet tank... etc, well one day my roommate busted the little bastard running around and putting rounds in the chamber, keep in mind he was 20 at the time. All in all he had loaded at least 12 firearms without the owners knowledge, so yes, the Bullet Fairy is real and a real bitch. Oh he seriously go an ass beating to end all ass beatings, from an external standpoint i bet it looked like he was getting "Jumped In" to a gang, he has however learned his lesson and even more important, no one got hurt.

If I may ask, What in the fuck was he trying to do?

[squinty]

You were kind. I think I'd have foregone any sort of ass beating in favor of just telling him to live somewhere else, and never letting him in the house - or any house of mine - again.
Story also highlights the need to keep your guns secure not just against theft, but against fuckwittery from the people you "trust." KCOR had a similar tale - a real doozy - a few months back.

[officeninja]

[/quote]
If I may ask, What in the fuck was he trying to do?[/quote]

Douchebag thought it would be a funny joke (my brother is an idiot) he has since been "re-habilitated" and is now mostly okay.

[jessy27]

Heimdall,
First rule my dad taught me "there is no such thing as a unloaded gun"

[Liff]

First rule my Dad taught me was, "Do not necro 9 month old threads."